EPTOn December 11 2007 08:58 TesisMech wrote:
I agree there is not enough proof to conclude this.
I agree there is not enough proof to conclude this.
Therefore, it was an act of God. Case closed blasphemers.
Christian Biologist fired for beliefs of evolution - Page 6
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
Therefore, it was an act of God. Case closed blasphemers. | ||
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aRod
United States758 Posts
Christian "Umm sir... I don't believe in evolution." Boss of Christian "Ahahhahaha good one, now hop to it." Christian "Umm sir... I reaaaly don't believe in evolution." Boss falls out of chair in histerics* | ||
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TesisMech
Peru688 Posts
On December 11 2007 09:01 mahnini wrote: Therefore, it was an act of God. Case closed blasphemers. Im just saying it must had involved an intelligent designer that made the statement. it couldnt magically made itself. edit:OK this is getting pretty stupid | ||
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Polar
Swaziland274 Posts
The issue here is that an American was fired because of his religious beliefs. I personally don't happen to agree with this man's assertion that evolution is not a viable theory, but it is unlawful in our country to require that he believe in said theory to maintain his employment. I find it somewhat ironic that many Europeans seem to be so outraged by the notion that illogical religious beliefs are protected by law. Look at the disgusting injustices that are perpetrated within your countries' borders in the name of Islam. Why do your courts accept the abuse of women as "religious freedom"? It might be better to make sure your own house is in order before criticizing others'. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On December 11 2007 09:18 Polar wrote: Nobody is telling you Europeans that you can't languish in your cynicism. By all means, go ahead. The issue here is that an American was fired because of his religious beliefs. I personally don't happen to agree with this man's assertion that evolution is not a viable theory, but it is unlawful in our country to require that he believe in said theory to maintain his employment. I find it somewhat ironic that many Europeans seem to be so outraged by the notion that illogical religious beliefs are protected by law. Look at the disgusting injustices that are perpetrated within your countries' borders in the name of Islam. Why do your courts accept the abuse of women as "religious freedom"? It might be better to make sure your own house is in order before criticizing others'. I like how you're trying to appear superior and everything, but really, Americans really shouldn't be trumping their civil rights in front of most European countries. | ||
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Sadist
United States7298 Posts
On December 11 2007 09:18 Polar wrote: Nobody is telling you Europeans that you can't languish in your cynicism. By all means, go ahead. The issue here is that an American was fired because of his religious beliefs. I personally don't happen to agree with this man's assertion that evolution is not a viable theory, but it is unlawful in our country to require that he believe in said theory to maintain his employment. I find it somewhat ironic that many Europeans seem to be so outraged by the notion that illogical religious beliefs are protected by law. Look at the disgusting injustices that are perpetrated within your countries' borders in the name of Islam. Why do your courts accept the abuse of women as "religious freedom"? It might be better to make sure your own house is in order before criticizing others'. he wasnt fired for his religious beliefs, He could be an "atheist" and not believe in evolution however unlikely that may be and hed have gotten fired. | ||
ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
(...)Abraham, who was dismissed eight months after he was hired, said he was willing to do research using evolutionary concepts but that he had been required to accept Darwin's theory of evolution as scientific fact or lose his job. The Massachusetts Commission Against Discrimination dismissed the case this year, saying Abraham's request not to work on evolutionary aspects of research would be difficult for Woods Hole because its work is based on evolutionary theories. Abraham said this condition was never spelled out in the advertisement for the job(...) The whole case depends on who is right here. If he was willing to work with evolution he is right, if he was not then he is wrong. | ||
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Polar
Swaziland274 Posts
On December 11 2007 09:21 Sadist wrote: he wasnt fired for his religious beliefs, He could be an "atheist" and not believe in evolution however unlikely that may be and hed have gotten fired. It's about precedent, If you're a member of a legitimate, established religion and are following the doctrines of that religion, you can't be legally discriminated against within reason. Obviously if you claim to be an adherent of some religion whose god demands daily human sacrifices, you will not be taken seriously. That was not the case here. This guy's beliefs dictate the way he reacts to the theory of evolution and his reaction doesn't hurt anyone else. I don't happen to agree with his reaction, but such is life. If you don't like the fact that religious freedom and expression is mandated in the constitution, move to France. | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
Either his previous boss is a jerk or he is just throwing the descrimination card to get some money. | ||
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Polar
Swaziland274 Posts
On December 11 2007 09:20 Jyvblamo wrote: I like how you're trying to appear superior and everything, but really, Americans really shouldn't be trumping their civil rights in front of most European countries. Nice edit... Anyways, do you know what "trumping" means? Evidently not. I'll just replace it with another word that actually conveys what I think you're trying to say. Maybe, "flaunting" would work? In fact, I think Americans have quite a bit to "flaunt" when it comes to civil liberties. First and foremost, I would say that not having 50%+ of our salaries "appropriated" by our government is a nice perk. I also like the fact that we have freedom of speech in a much truer sense than most European countries (go to Germany, give a speech saying that 5,800,000 Jews died in the Holocaust in lieu of the mandated 6,000,000 and see what happens). What are the laws controlling gun ownership like over there? In short: You fail. | ||
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Polar
Swaziland274 Posts
On December 11 2007 09:33 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: If you refuse to work you will be fired. It's pretty simple. I would not be fired from McDonald's for being a vegan, but I would be fired for refusing to touch meat at McDonald's - it's the same thing. Either his previous boss is a jerk or he is just throwing the descrimination card to get some money. You just quoted him saying that he was not adverse to conducting research testing evolutionary theory... Obviously if this is false, he has no case. If it's accurate, he most certainly does. | ||
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
If he was a racists and did a research on racial differences he would be fired as well for BIAS. He believes in creation therefore he is prone to twisting the facts to further push his agenda. He is not in the biology field to contribute or help expand the scientific knowledge of biology. He is there to push his Creationists agenda. I'm not sure how he's going to win in court. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 11 2007 09:30 Polar wrote: It's about precedent, If you're a member of a legitimate, established religion and are following the doctrines of that religion, you can't be legally discriminated against within reason. Obviously if you claim to be an adherent of some religion whose god demands daily human sacrifices, you will not be taken seriously. That was not the case here. This guy's beliefs dictate the way he reacts to the theory of evolution and his reaction doesn't hurt anyone else. I don't happen to agree with his reaction, but such is life. If you don't like the fact that religious freedom and expression is mandated in the constitution, move to France. 1. It hurt his employer. 2. The Bill of Rights is a contract between the government and its people, not between the people themselves. | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On December 11 2007 09:40 Polar wrote: You just quoted him saying that he was not adverse to conducting research testing evolutionary theory... Obviously if this is false, he has no case. If it's accurate, he most certainly does. Yes, but the article also states that his case was dismissed because he requested not to work on "evolutionary aspects of research". I don't know how this commision work, but I imagine they do their research, so it is tempting to dismiss him - however I am not doing that, I am merely stating that he was rightfully fired if this is correct. | ||
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Polar
Swaziland274 Posts
On December 11 2007 09:42 Mindcrime wrote: 1. It hurt his employer. 2. The Bill of Rights is a contract between the government and its people, not between the people themselves. This was a government funded project... | ||
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
How can you take all those biology courses to become a biologist and not believe in evolution when every single course requires you to accept evolution? I don't understand why someone would want to do that. | ||
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qgart
Canada89 Posts
His presence would probably ruin the working environment. Fellow scientists would have given him a hard time at work...maybe. It's probably best for him to be fired. It saved him a great deal of "emotional pain, suffering and mental anguish." | ||
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Mayson
312 Posts
On December 11 2007 09:33 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: Shit--I think I misunderstood the article.If you refuse to work you will be fired. It's pretty simple. I would not be fired from McDonald's for being a vegan, but I would be fired for refusing to touch meat at McDonald's - it's the same thing. Either his previous boss is a jerk or he is just throwing the descrimination card to get some money. I thought he was fired for making his point of view clear, rather than being fired for refusing to do his job because of his point of view. Oops. I retract my previous posts. ^_^ | ||
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Polar
Swaziland274 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution is private. Yes they receive some federal funding, and if they had fired this guy for religious beliefs that did not affect his work I would agree that either they were wrong or that the government should stop funding them. However, this was not the case. | ||
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