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Kaotu
United States986 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:45 HeadBangaa wrote: To split hairs is pointless. The issue at hand is the post-modern denial of the metaphysical. Uhh..... Denial of the metaphysical... How is that postmodern again? Sounds pretty modern to me. Hume...? Also, how is that the issue at hand? Please do clarify. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:44 FragKrag wrote: If you were a physicist, and denied General Relativity WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE, would you expect to be fired? I would. I expect to be assessed on my performance, not beliefs. As a blanket policy. People have the right to be stupid. People have the right to believe in falsities. To consider anything beyond their interface with the rest of the world, is intolerance. This thread disappoints me. Anybody supporting this, to remain consistent, would have to be OK with churches kicking out gay members, yet retaining tax benefits. As long as your consistent you're fine, otherwise your a biased douche. | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
if you dont accept evolution then why study biology and then get a job within the area? real life troll. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11554 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:47 HeadBangaa wrote: I expect to be assessed on my performance, not beliefs. As a blanket policy. People have the right to be stupid. People have the right to believe in falsities. People who are stupid and believe in falsities should be fired. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:48 pyrogenetix wrote: i dont get it. if you dont accept evolution then why study biology and then get a job within the area? real life troll. Biology != evolution. You don't have to believe in the prevailing theory of a field to be interested in that field. I should say that if this were the case, no new theory would ever come about. | ||
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Kaotu
United States986 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:48 pyrogenetix wrote: i dont get it. if you dont accept evolution then why study biology and then get a job within the area? real life troll. Creationists like to study biology, earn their Ph D's somehow, and then be able to tell Christian fundamentalists like themselves "authoritatively" that evolution is nonsense. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:48 pyrogenetix wrote: i dont get it. if you dont accept evolution then why study biology and then get a job within the area? real life troll. Not all biologists believe that macroevolution explains human origins. But that's not the matter here at all. A man was fired for his beliefs. See my church analogy. Are you consistent? | ||
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FragKrag
United States11554 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:50 fight_or_flight wrote: Biology != evolution. You don't have to believe in the prevailing theory of a field to be interested in that field. I should say that if this were the case, no new theory would ever come about. Evolution is a scientific theory, General Relativity is a scientific theory. Those other ideas that pop out are not. Big difference. | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:06 fight_or_flight wrote: I don't see how believing in and applying evolution affect each other. Evolution is simply a model. One can disagree with it but still apply it correctly. Whoa.... How do you APPLY evolution?! Since when have people been applying evolution in their jobs?? | ||
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NoName
United States1558 Posts
60 minutes did a story about how an insurance company ordered all workers to quit smoking in 30 days or be fired. And a bunch of workers where fired. And there was the CNN story of atheists getting fired, or even chased out of small towns, when they just happen to mention they did not attend church. Nothing illegal. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:42 NoName wrote: Is this so different from churches excommunicating gay clergy? Or even kicking out or wrong minded members. Not that I would be sad to see conservative churches sued to oblivion for discrimination and hate speech. Evolution is a foundation tenant of biological sciences. It's like a computer scientist rejecting shannon information theory (wiki it). Or power engineer denying conservation of energy. I like this post. It's a great example of the contradicting logic you people subscribe too. You don't afford the opposing view an equal right. Neotolerance, FTL. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:53 FragKrag wrote: Evolution is a scientific theory, General Relativity is a scientific theory. Those other ideas that pop out are not. Big difference. I'm just saying, maybe he's interested in animals and stuff. pyrogenetix made it sound like evolution and biology were synonymous, when in fact one is a subset of the other. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:56 WhatisProtoss wrote: Whoa.... How do you APPLY evolution?! Since when have people been applying evolution in their jobs?? Well obviously he had to apply the theory and he didn't, thats why he lost his job. I honestly don't know how its "applied" in a research setting. | ||
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baal
10541 Posts
On December 11 2007 07:33 Mayson wrote: I have a hard time agreeing with half of the things that evolutionary psychologists say, but I've never had trouble completing an assignment on it. He can still do his job while personally disagreeing with the theory he's working with. Hawk, I'm sure that with his education, and his placement at a federally-funded program, both parties are aware of what "researcher bias" is and how to control for it. It's the first thing you learn in how to conduct research. Omg its this guy again -___-, you must be seriously the dumbest person on this site... This isnt a scientist proposing another scientific theory over evolution, its just a fanatic retard who blindly believes over a book written 2 thousand years ago over the overwhelming evidence in his face, that is a man that clearly cannot reason properly, or atleast not good enough for being in that research team. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11554 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:59 fight_or_flight wrote: I'm just saying, maybe he's interested in animals and stuff. pyrogenetix made it sound like evolution and biology were synonymous, when in fact one is a subset of the other. Evolution is a cornerstone of Biology. If he's interested in animals, why not be interested in where they came from? How animals have complex structures, etc? Sometime, a confliction will occur. Better to fire earlier than later. And the the 'applying evolution', It's the media. You think they actually payed attention in high school bio? | ||
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qgart
Canada89 Posts
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On December 11 2007 11:01 FragKrag wrote: Evolution is a cornerstone of Biology. If he's interested in animals, why not be interested in where they came from? How animals have complex structures, etc? I don't know, maybe hes interested in mating dances of zebrafish or something. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
On December 11 2007 11:00 baal wrote: Omg its this guy again -___-, you must be seriously the dumbest person on this site... This isnt a scientist proposing another scientific theory over evolution, its just a fanatic retard who blindly believes over a book written 2 thousand years ago over the overwhelming evidence in his face, that is a man that clearly cannot reason properly, or atleast not good enough for being in that research team. I too believe in that book. Am I not intelligent enough to write all the code I'm writing right now? Should I be fired for stupidity? The studies in this lab sometimes refer to evolutionary concepts, am I suddenly not qualified to do the job I've trained years for??? If it's not effecting his job, you're firing someone for their beliefs. And that's ok, just revoke all equal opportunity laws and remain consistent. Make it OK to fire anybody for their personal choices, and I am seriously 100% OK with this decision. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11554 Posts
On December 11 2007 11:04 fight_or_flight wrote: I don't know, maybe hes interested in mating dances of zebrafish or something. I would be too. Zebrafish are fucking AMAZING. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On December 11 2007 11:06 FragKrag wrote: I would be too. Zebrafish are fucking AMAZING. You would have to understand the evolutionary pressures that produced the Zebrafish mating dances? =P | ||
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