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pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
December 14 2007 02:04 GMT
#261
oops, just saw the second article where he said he was NOT willing to work. i retract my previous statements about that argument then :x
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-14 02:05:06
December 14 2007 02:04 GMT
#262
Holy shiet 5 posts in a row. Bias is bias. Nobody should trust the article, and mindcrime's article.

Edit: Holy shiet, Hexaposts.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
December 14 2007 02:11 GMT
#263
haha sorry. ill stop now.

wish i could delete. my first 3 posts were about the he said she said shit.
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
December 14 2007 02:29 GMT
#264
On December 14 2007 10:52 intotherei wrote:
nowhere in the article does it say he refused to do his job. he simply disagreed with the theory. i can disagree with something, but still do the job that it encompasses.

so people like mindcrime posting stuff like:-
Refusing to do a portion of the work that you were hired to do because of that lack of belief certainly makes you unfit."
are wrong in using that argument.


"Abraham, who was dismissed eight months after he was hired, said he was willing to do research using evolutionary concepts but that he had been required to accept Darwin's theory of evolution as scientific fact or lose his job."

edit: and i hope he wins



Lets say you want to create a game. C++ will very likely be your programming language. Now you hire some programmers, and one of them starts programming in Visual Basic. He does his job, but refuses to use C++. How can you not fire him?
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-14 03:00:41
December 14 2007 03:00 GMT
#265
ya ya, the first article didn't say he refused to do his job (program in c++), the second did. i conceded that point
aRod
Profile Joined July 2007
United States758 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-14 04:30:59
December 14 2007 04:28 GMT
#266
I can convince any Christian evolution occurs. I first engage them in conversation then ask a series of questions as follows.

I say "Do you believe in heritable traits determined by DNA?"

Christian replies, "Yes, I look like my mommy."

I say "Do you believe in genetic mutation? For instance down syndrome can be caused by a genetic mutation as can sickle cell anemia, cystic fibrosis, and a variety of other medical conditions."

Christian, "Yes, I can see genetic mutation causes a variety of illnesses."

I say "Do you believe certain mutations can have an advantage." For instance, sickle cell anemia reduces succeptability to malaria which is caused by a genetic mutation.

Christian, "Yes, this is well documented."

I say "Do you believe certain heritable traits increase the chances an animal will mate? For instance, the biggest ape in a tribe gets to mate with all the females while other apes do not."

Christian "Yes, I saw that on the discovery channel."

I ask "will this influence the gene pool of the monkey population?"

Christian "Ummm... I think so."

I reply "The answer is yes, obviously."

Christian "Ok, I agree."

I say "so in summary, you believe mutable heritable traits can change the genetic distribution of a population and these mutations may have a selective advantage?

Christian "Ummm..."

I say "You just admitted to all these points."

Christian "No I didn't."

I say, "well... you believe in evolution. Evolution is defined as "the change in the inherited traits of a population from one generation to the next. Evolution occurs when these heritable differences become more common or rare in a population, either non-randomly through natural selection or randomly through genetic drift. "

Christian "No god made me."

I say "Go along now, mommy is calling you."

Live to win.
jacen
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Austria3644 Posts
December 14 2007 14:52 GMT
#267
On December 11 2007 05:45 lugggy wrote:
It would be like a physicist claiming there is actually no gravitational force to his boss.

well as long as you reduce the gravitational force to the higgs particle and you can find this particle (LHC wohooo), i see this as perfectly fine. of course gravity would still exist. it just is not an arbitrary force anymore, but rather an exchange of particles.

-_-
(micronesia) lol we aren't going to just permban you (micronesia) "we" excludes Jinro
EarthServant
Profile Joined September 2006
United States106 Posts
December 14 2007 15:08 GMT
#268
I believe that the biases that would be in place due to the lack of belief in evolution could have negatively impaired the work of the scientist. For instance, as an atheist, could I still give a good sermon at a church? That is certainly possible, but the fact that I don't believe in God might cause me to have certain biases that would come through in the final works.

Working in microbiology, you have to associate the rapid population changes with something. The biases of the individual mean he probably shouldn't have been hired in the first place.
NoName
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1558 Posts
December 14 2007 16:31 GMT
#269
rerere -- In the USA, religion does not grant any special job protection or accommodation

http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/05/03/66733769.shtml


30 Muslim workers fired for praying on job at Dell

[...]

Big employers in the Nashville area have responded in drastically different ways to their Muslim employees' requests to slip away from their workstations for about five minutes to pray.

For example, Whirlpool Corp. chose last year to take a similar dispute before a federal jury, which agreed with the company that the employees' sunset-prayer request created an undue hardship on the La Vergne plant's production schedule.

According to leaders of Nashville's Somali community, Dell has been one of several area employers with strong histories of accommodating Muslim workers.

But that arrangement apparently came to an abrupt halt in February, with the firing of 30 workers. They were employed by Spherion, a labor agency that provides workers for Dell's Nashville operations, according to David Perez, the compliance officer for the Metro Human Relations Commission.[...]
Wam-bam-ba-boom! Bada-bing!
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
December 14 2007 17:03 GMT
#270
On December 14 2007 11:00 intotherei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2007 09:47 boghat wrote:
If you're a biologist and don't believe in evolution you aren't a biologist... evolution is the fundamental central theme to all of biology. This is ridiculous that this is even a topic or an argument.

How can you take all those biology courses to become a biologist and not believe in evolution when every single course requires you to accept evolution? I don't understand why someone would want to do that.


actually no, evolution isnt the fundamental central theme to all of biology.

the central dogma of biology is:

dna -> rna -> protein


Nice textbook quote, -_- , I'm not sure if there is any official position, but evolution seems more fundamental than that.
wtf was that signature
ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
December 14 2007 17:15 GMT
#271
On December 14 2007 07:22 triangle wrote:
Show nested quote +
actually the lot of scientific theories have been overturned.

Which ones? Theories may be modified, very rarely are they overturned. It takes a lot to be called a theory, that's a significant accomplishment.
Show nested quote +
The current understanding of gravity is probably wrong.

Not wrong, incomplete.
Show nested quote +
Newton was wrong; but we still use his equations because they are so close to being correct that it doesn't matter.

Again, Newton wasn't "wrong". His equations are perfectly valid in normal situations. Einstein more provided an "exceptions to the rule" than anything else. To say Newtonian theory was "wrong" is incorrect. It was just incomplete. The basic equations were sound.

In the case of evolution, there may be elements missing. But the underlying idea will probably never be overturned.


Well, it seems that we agree with each other. We're just playing with words. Although I think my word usage is more accurate, but whatever ;p.
Hello=)
Dreamer]
Profile Joined November 2005
Sweden358 Posts
December 14 2007 17:36 GMT
#272
Haha FragKrag you broke his seven post combo...
lucky us u did ^^ the world would have ended otherwise
It has to start somewhere, It has to start sometime. What better place than here, what better time than now?
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
December 14 2007 17:46 GMT
#273
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hr110-847

/wrists
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
rubixcube
Profile Joined January 2010
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-31 16:19:42
January 31 2010 08:22 GMT
#274
Hey everyone, due to the fact that I'm not allowed to post religious stuff on this forum anymore I've decided to set up a Christian forum of my own - [i suck dicks for money] - for those of us who are interested in continuing discussions about religion.

If you intend to join then it would be good to post an introduction too in the introductions thread.

Sorry that this is a self-promoting bump but I think it's a shame that religious topics aren't allowed here as TL's readership generally has very good debates on the matter. Cheers, this and one other post are the only ones I will make on the matter.
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
January 31 2010 08:24 GMT
#275
eww
HEY MEYT
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