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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
On October 21 2007 23:30 Kassios wrote: maybe bc the korean language wasnt installed in the cpu ? I dunno... Come on... They could have easily talked about it before. They play on the same team, they know their play so they could let each other win without needing to whisper. | ||
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Fade_hk
China13 Posts
On October 21 2007 23:24 Caller wrote: For all we know, that picture could have been cleverly arranged/photoshopped. Do you have a picture of the entire pre-loading screen? The fpvod of Hwasin is released actually.. http://www.wfbrood.com/movie/iest/movie_22573.html | ||
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Lhyviathan
Australia975 Posts
But, as has already been raised: - Why would they fix it in English? - Why would they fix it in full view of the public, rather than beforehand? | ||
IefNaij
Canada291 Posts
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samsammy
United States76 Posts
When it comes to Korean vs Korean, they go against with all their might. Even in their interviews, Hwasin and Calm said they would do their best. I mean... -_- You can believe that they rigged the game, but First of all, if they wanted to split the prize money, like some one said above, they could. They fight fair and square, and some one wins --> splits money. I see no reason for them to -_-............... uh rig. That english Calm wrote down says nothing. Is they really did plan something out, Why wouldn't they just plan it earlier, besides doing it right before the game? So that somebody else can take a picture? IIt makes nonsense. | ||
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ambit!ous1
United States3662 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
Now assuming that we know they arranged the games, can we not quickly reach a consensus that there's no defending their actions due to the nature of a spectator-driven event? It's a strike against professional SC, Koreans, STX, Hwasin and Calm. Everyone just get over your fanboyism and deal with it. | ||
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DarkOptik
452 Posts
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Phantom
Canada2151 Posts
On October 22 2007 00:03 NonY[rC] wrote: For the people saying they could have done it a better way, remember the principle of "good enough". It's simple enough to trade games back and forth by announcing a counterable build via whisper just before the start. If you have a method that is good enough, you don't need a better way. They have no problem doing it the way they allegedly did it except that FPView was being recorded, so it's a weak argument to say that it's unlikely to be true at all just because their method wasn't optimal. Now assuming that we know they arranged the games, can we not quickly reach a consensus that there's no defending their actions due to the nature of a spectator-driven event? It's a strike against professional SC, Koreans, STX, Hwasin and Calm. Everyone just get over your fanboyism and deal with it. Agreed...and didn't Hwasin have a certain match later on as well? I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted an easy fix just so he could prepare for his match back in Korea. So what can IEST do? NOT invite them again, make it publicly known(public statement) that such shit will not go on in their tournaments so that they don't lose credibility (as a lot of things in China do...). So they CAN do something about it =) Also the screen shot should been expanded to better validate this accusation. Until then my arguments are only hypothetical =( | ||
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NuDy
United Kingdom47 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
As someone said earlier, if they really were splitting the money and such there is absolutely NO purpose in NOT playing real final games. They can agree to split the money and still have a solid fucking series that the fans can view with excitement. Nobody should have to explain to you why its a good idea for the finals of a tourney to actually matter. The fact that people do means you still have a lot of growing/learning to do. And I mean that contextually. | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3024 Posts
edit: ok inc just said pretty much the same thing  | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
On October 21 2007 23:55 samsammy wrote: I can't believe you guys are buying this story. -_- When it comes to Korean vs Korean, they go against with all their might. Even in their interviews, Hwasin and Calm said they would do their best. I mean... -_- You can believe that they rigged the game, but First of all, if they wanted to split the prize money, like some one said above, they could. They fight fair and square, and some one wins --> splits money. I see no reason for them to -_-............... uh rig. That english Calm wrote down says nothing. Is they really did plan something out, Why wouldn't they just plan it earlier, besides doing it right before the game? So that somebody else can take a picture? IIt makes nonsense. yea i guess korean progamers are higher beings who have a high sense of honor, and would never commit an action such as this. How can you guys think this? | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
That being said, it doesnt really make sense why they wouldn't just play it out normally and split the money either way. So I don't know why they would rig the games. | ||
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Phantom
Canada2151 Posts
On October 22 2007 00:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: I completely agree with Testie. Sure its a little unsportsman like but thats the extent of it. They both earned the 1 and 2 spot. If they decide that they want to split the prize by playing a "setup game" then there is nothing in rules to stop them. It's their choice and completely legal. Sure the games may not be as entertaining for the fans but thats the way it goes. If I was good friends with an opponent. And we placed 1 and 2 in a tourniment and it was for a lot of money. I would do the exact same thing, hands down. Would you rather have a guranteed 16k or a 50% chance at 32k? Any smart gambler would take the guranteed 16k unless he was already rich That's completely ignoring the fact that their were spectators and supporters watching them play, and them doing this downgrades the level of importance that this tournament meant to ANYBODY. Sure there are no rules against it, but it trivializes the purpose of this tournaments and such tournaments to come in China and anywhere else that might invite Koreans to participate. Sure, we know Koreans do it in WCG to throw matches to reach the finals, and to an extent it's kind of sad that we've almost accepted this outcome.(for any hockey fans, it reminds me of NJ not playing Brodeur last season vs NYI...but that's a diff story) Of course those aren't the FINALS of a tournament, regardless of how much they own other fucking people, they owe it to the organizers and the fans to play their best. Also, if these allegations do turn out to be true, it is also partly the fault of the organizers for their shortsightedness in inviting two players from the same team, unless that's all they could get =( | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On October 22 2007 00:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: I completely agree with Testie. Sure its a little unsportsman like but thats the extent of it. They both earned the 1 and 2 spot. If they decide that they want to split the prize by playing a "setup game" then there is nothing in rules to stop them. It's their choice and completely legal. Sure the games may not be as entertaining for the fans but thats the way it goes. If I was good friends with an opponent. And we placed 1 and 2 in a tourniment and it was for a lot of money. I would do the exact same thing, hands down. Would you rather have a guranteed 16k or a 50% chance at 32k? Any smart gambler would take the guranteed 16k unless he was already rich That being said, it doesnt really make sense why they wouldn't just play it out normally and split the money either way. So I don't know why they would rig the games.I love how at the end of your post you realize the entire crux of your post is retarded and wrong. Also if you think every bw game is 50/50.. you should probably play more. Both players are professionals and both probably feel they can beat one another. Splitting the money wasnt wrong. Throwing the games was. You even realize this at the end of your post and you admit to it being wrong at the beginning. | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
Rigging the final makes the whole tournament an illegitimate means of deducing the best player entered on that particular day, making the whole tournament a joke. Clearly the STX players had no respect for the event or the other players. In other words, rigging the final is pissing in testie's face. edit: someone get this on FiFo. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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NastyMarine
United States1252 Posts
On October 22 2007 00:35 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I cant believe you Nick. In one subject you blast people for being dishonorable and disrespectful to others and here you are like "blah, they won everybody else its fine if they want to rig the final games." Thats a bunch of bullshit. As someone said earlier, if they really were splitting the money and such there is absolutely NO purpose in NOT playing real final games. They can agree to split the money and still have a solid fucking series that the fans can view with excitement. Nobody should have to explain to you why its a good idea for the finals of a tourney to actually matter. The fact that people do means you still have a lot of growing/learning to do. And I mean that contextually. I have to agree here. | ||
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Spain112 Posts
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