|
|
|
not too surprising considering they are both on the same team. pretty disappointing though.
|
yeah i saw this live too... im z user and i wanted to watch calms fpv. unfortunately i just found out about the fpview channels after game 3, so all i saw was game 4 and 5. And yeah i was pretty irritated by the comments and thought about them fixing it, but kinda forgot about it cus i couldnt see hwasins build (u gotta note here that Calm just refused to scout). Then suddenly a bunch of m&ms come out of nowhere and he just gets raped. It was disappointing as hell when u prepare to watch a progamer zvt First person live. But yeah, the games were definitely arranged, i thought about it the moment i saw it in calms fpview and now that its brought up again im 100% sure the games were arranged. sux but it doesnt come as a shock to me. sadly as others pointed out, korean progamers are not exactly famous for their great sportsmanship in international tourneys.
|
this chinese dude being so jealous that 2 koreans were in the the final of a tournament which was hosted by china...hilarious.
what calm and hwasin did, it's the same thing what hwasin and maix did. they chatted and challenged each other.
you could also accuse maix of fixing game, he said in game to hwasin "come on". and 1min later hwasin run over him easily.
|
United States22883 Posts
On October 22 2007 21:45 Honk2000 wrote:
this chinese dude being so jealous that 2 koreans were in the the final of a tournament which was hosted by china...hilarious.
what calm and hwasin did, it's the same thing what hwasin and maix did. they chatted and challenged each other.
you could also accuse maix of fixing game, he said in game to hwasin "come on". and 1min later hwasin run over him easily. "come on" and "center barrack 12pool" are completely different. Please stop being an idiot.
|
Being jealous? I think it is quite apparent that the games were fixed. Many people saw the chat while it happened (PPLive) and the videos that are out now is solid evidence that Calm was telling Hwasin exactly what he was doing, and told Hwasin how to attack.
|
|
|
Ok my head hurts now. After about ten pages since i last posted this topic has gone hurricane.
Not only did you guys had \"no time\" to move the files to a decent server, you let the public make up their own mind about this by not providing solid proof. Now it seems to late...
As usual things will move on and all that\'s left is a wrong feeling in your stomach.
And once again it disturbs me how some guys wasted my time with reading pages about other sport events with fixed games and racism.
It\'s not the jokes, i did it to, it\'s ok. But if you are acctualy serious, you got to keep your mind togheter. Keep the discussion calm and list all the facts togheter in one post. Anything else will lead to confusion and, because this is the internet, to escalation.
How am i as a outsider supposed to react to something like this? If there\'s a accusation nothing more than the truth is important. Everything else just does not matter.
And. I read that some people posted that it\'s not possible to have such a tourney without inviting koreans. At some point you need to decide what kind of tourney you wan\'t to be. The truth is koreans are better at this game than all of your \"local\" players. Thus it might appear like a unfinished dinner if you leave the koreans out. But sometimes you have to play in your own league first, build up your own infastructure to be competitive later on. And at some point as we know, koreans did the same.
I as a starcraft fan appriciate what you chinese people are doing. And i wish for you all the success you need. But don\'t fool yourself into believing that you can\'t stand on your own feet when it comes to something like this. Because after all, you give money away to people that honestly don\'t really care what goes around their borders in starcraft. And this is not fair to all the people who help building this up and of course it\'s not fair to all the people who are whatching this
|
in PGR, majority of people seems to believe that this really was a mental trick,
but still this chatting looks suspicious and the players were irresposible and not careful about it.
As well, the attitude of progamers towards insignificant foreign tourney should be changed.
pgr is one of the biggest sc commynity in korea. Tends to have older fans.
|
and btw, some suggested ring is not ling(zergling) but rather bunkering.
I am not sure bunkering is a proper english but that's what koreans call it.
(building bunker right in front of zerg base with one or two marines)
|
lol
If this is real
Then STX as a whole is a BM team
|
Guys, just stop hating the Koreans and just think for a while.
Why would they rig it?
If they were really planned it out it would be from the start, not starting from the fourth game.
and if Calm planned to win he coul've lost easily faking it.
Koreans do that in WCG, they don't talk to the foreign gamers and say like "hey, you do 12 pool, i do 8 barrack."
The chat here was clearly a mental trick.
I don't know what you have against Hwasin and Calm, but I personally believe them.
As for how the game went?
It's not so awkward, to be honest. Most terrans these days do 8 barrack - double. or barrack - double command. Especially when its progamer vs progamer.
I would'nt be too surprised if Calm assumed Hwasin did double.
|
#47
get real man
is it so frustrating to you to accept the fact they have arranged the games?
|
On October 22 2007 23:13 samsammy wrote:
Guys, just stop hating the Koreans and just think for a while.
What has the fact that they are both Koreans has to do with this?
Why would they rig it?
Just because their motive can't be explained doesn't mean it didn't happen. Anyway, a clear motive would be that Hwasin is their star player and that he was tired from hopping onto plane to play in China, then back to Korea next day and then immediately to China again.
Often in sports there is a hierarchy and teams fix the results. It has nothing to do with them being Korean or not.
|
YES hwasin was tired. But he could still and the game, without rigging the game.
There is no heirarchy between Hwasin and Calm. Don't make a drama.
You guys are making ridiculous stories out of shallow evidence.
It's based on pure instinct.
It's not me who's supposed to get real. It's you guys.
If you want to find it, you can make any game, (or most of em) artificial and rigged up.
There is nothing weird for that screenshot to be a joke.
There was no reason for Calm to lose. It wouldn't matter to the STX staff who would win. If they really wanted to win they would've made Sheis lose (He did at the last moment), but if you've seen the games they were damn close. (And if you didn't notice, hwasin 8 barracked Sheis and killed him. Was that rigged? No.)
The STX team is no demon or dictator who controls the players. Calm and Hwasin are close friends, and if Hwasin is kind enough to share the money, he can.
Stop this nonsense.
|
And the center barrack 12 pool part, if you translate it into Korean, and view it as a veteran starcraf gamer, it makes perfect sense in the mind game.
A veteran would know center barrack > 12 pool , not 9 pool or 8 pool.
He was saying, Hey I'll do 12 pool you do centerbarrack and come.
Their argument about the mind trick seems pretty legit.
All I see is anger among the foreign gamers just trying to make Hwasin and Calm total a-holes.
It's simple phsycology. If you think, 'something is in the game, and I must find something awkward in the play,' you find it.
It's like thinking the player who is against you is using maphack, because he's so damn good.
In this case it's the reverse.
There are games like this that happen in the proscene.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And once again, the motives. The motives are the most important part.
IF hwasin was tired and wanted to end the game early, HE could have done it without rigging it.
He was tired, and in his interview he said he did want to end the game early. And of course this strategy was more like an all in, and it's not weird for Calm to not realize Hwasin was doing what he told he was really going to do in a mind game.
STX is not a Mafia team, no one gets forced to lose. Both Calm and Hwasin are very respected teammates in the team. Every team is a very tightly knit community.
|
On October 22 2007 23:56 samsammy wrote:
Every team is a very tightly knit community.
yea, a community that rigs games.
|
특히 STX 김은동 감독은 "누가 우승해도 상관 없는 경기를 조작하는 경우도 있느냐"며 "왜 이런 논란이 일어났는지 모르겠다"고 반문했다. 김 감독은 "국제 대회 경험이 많지 않은 선수들이 같은 팀 상대를 만나 편하게 경기하다 보니 발생한 일일 뿐"이라고 일축했다.
Part of INterview.
Especially STX Kim Eun Dong coach said "It was a situation where it wouldn't matter who won. So there was no reason to rig the game. I don't understand why there was such a fuss." He added "Because two close players who were in the same team met in an international competition (which they were not used to), I think this happened because they were close and treating eachother too lightly."
The logic behind whispering is perfect. It would be unmannered to say it in public, whether fake or not. Scrolling up and down isn't because he had to 'remember' what he had to do, it was because he was just reading it.
And once again. Where is the evidence? All I see is material possible that can be interpreted in many ways.
It's like looking at a sentence out of a whole paragraph and assuming the point of the paragraph with that one sentence.
|
On October 23 2007 00:04 samsammy wrote:
And once again. Where is the evidence? All I see is material possible that can be interpreted in many ways.
Dude seriously, just fucking stop it it already, the proof is there it's just that you refuse to believe what you're seeing..
|
I just saw the fourth game. I can't believe you guys are believing that this is rigged.
Hwasin did 8 barrack. Calm did twelve pool. After this, Calm did what a zerg player should do.
He saved his two droned, searched Hwasin's army. Checked hwasin wasn't making more barracks.
Most likely at the situation Hwasin would make a command center.
Calm searches again with his zergling, but too late, marine medic kill.
What the hell is awkward about this match.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
