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kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1467 Posts
October 22 2007 09:10 GMT
#381
On October 21 2007 19:57 kAra wrote:
wtf proxy now after they both talked about it ? _ ??


so nice ppl still not believing it after posting this in the 'live report' lolz
mada mada dane
.dragoon
Profile Joined May 2007
United States749 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 09:17:44
October 22 2007 09:10 GMT
#382
It's all there on page 16, the cold hard evidence...

This is getting retarded:

On October 22 2007 18:06 starscrapper wrote:
abusers shut up and sin no more
just download the FLV file whatch left side of the screen 9Min 34Sec "5 SET @PYTHON STARS IN X secs" count down

5th set only goes to 8min8sec, the game isn't even 8 min, it's like 6 and half min!

Are you on crack?


If you can, then do. If I can, I will.
Fobbish
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Korea (South)1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 09:20:28
October 22 2007 09:17 GMT
#383


the fourth game youtube link.

and HnR)Insane's pic.

On October 22 2007 15:39 HnR)Insane wrote:
[image loading]

go to 9 20 mark in youtube video.
This is an image I captured from a non-youtube version of it (which is slightly higher text quality, I think). I realize it's not exactly proof, but I think you can make out (relatively) well the "2sunken no ring" at the far bottom right

edit: here's link to the .avi I got that from: http://download.yousendit.com/1CA2B0283434CE1A



see the resemblance?
강함은 타고나는 것이 아니라 만들어 지는 것이다! - 외인구단
kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1467 Posts
October 22 2007 09:20 GMT
#384
how about you go here
"http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=61225"
and check my post +time with the time of the suspicious game.
ull see they match.

[image loading]
mada mada dane
.dragoon
Profile Joined May 2007
United States749 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 09:32:35
October 22 2007 09:27 GMT
#385
On October 22 2007 18:17 FoBBish wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOu8IB0CyAU

the fourth game youtube link.

and HnR)Insane's pic.

Show nested quote +
On October 22 2007 15:39 HnR)Insane wrote:
[image loading]

go to 9 20 mark in youtube video.
This is an image I captured from a non-youtube version of it (which is slightly higher text quality, I think). I realize it's not exactly proof, but I think you can make out (relatively) well the "2sunken no ring" at the far bottom right

edit: here's link to the .avi I got that from: http://download.yousendit.com/1CA2B0283434CE1A



see the resemblance?

I can't believe this!

4th game BEFORE the match Calm says: "center barrack 12pool."
4th game: center barrack 12pool.
4th game AFTER the match, before 5th game, Calm says: "all drone 1 sunken"
5th game: mmf >>>>>>> all drone 1 sunken

The 4th video continue into the 5th game pre-game chatroom. Jesus this is remedial
If you can, then do. If I can, I will.
Fobbish
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Korea (South)1071 Posts
October 22 2007 09:43 GMT
#386
alright you are right but for 5th game... there wasnt just one sunken, 3 of them were in process... you cannot really conclude from that all drone 1 sunken comment.
강함은 타고나는 것이 아니라 만들어 지는 것이다! - 외인구단
.dragoon
Profile Joined May 2007
United States749 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 09:56:16
October 22 2007 09:53 GMT
#387
You know what, I'm done for the night. I'm disgusted by your inability to see what is right in front of you.

If 3 other creep colonies are still morphing, then wouldn't that make it "mmf >>>>>>> all drone 1 sunken" cus marines only had to fight against a grand-spanking total of 1 sunken colony???????
If you can, then do. If I can, I will.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
October 22 2007 10:25 GMT
#388
Sad..
Rillanon.au
daladala
Profile Joined October 2007
China8 Posts
October 22 2007 10:29 GMT
#389
So sad..
On October 22 2007 19:25 haduken wrote:
Sad..
Manatea
Profile Joined March 2007
Korea (South)48 Posts
October 22 2007 10:47 GMT
#390
whatever you believe, it's over, at least in Korea (cuz Boxer is on TV today)
Some are still doubting, but majority of people take Fifo's article as a truth and believe players are just not serious and jokes(because they are teammates)
They believe that players are just careless to joke mind tricks in a foreign league.

Most significantly, Korean HEARD Andy's 2002 world cup word and it makes Korean people to believe Chienese manipulated this controversy intended for a bad purpose.

I'm not sure which one is true. but Andy should've been careful when he tried to persuade people.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
October 22 2007 11:15 GMT
#391
Believe in your "chinese conspiracy" theories all you want, teamliquid.net knows the truth. Thankfully this is an international community and mostly free of national bias.
BeatsMe97
Profile Joined October 2007
Korea (South)5 Posts
October 22 2007 11:27 GMT
#392
one thing i can figure from the provocative allegation is
apparently some chinese people got pissed in a "decent" worldly competition
sponsored all by chinese broadcasts and companies
where the final of which was staged just for two korean players.
no.1
Profile Joined March 2004
516 Posts
October 22 2007 11:28 GMT
#393
On October 22 2007 07:33 Letmelose wrote:
I will be brutally honest.

Korean players don\'t care. I seriously doubt Korean communities will care. Sad, but true.

What Korean communities do care about is top players like Hwashin not straining himself too hard and getting easy cash, most of all not damaging his chances in the vastly more important Korean leagues.

What foreign communities like this care about is Korean gamers doing what they were paid and invited over to do: wow non-Korean audiences with their out of the world skills, and showing respect to their worthy foreign opponents.

But the thing is, doing what the foreign communities want takes hours of practice beforehand, some serious concentration and research on their opponents (how can you show respect to some amateur you\'ve never heard about?). That\'s too much for these kids. They just want to take a break from their rigorous schedule and play half-assed against their opponents they know nothing about and don\'t care to know about whilst having fun experience abroad, and getting richer for the experience. They don\'t come to play against foreigners, they come to win against foreigners and not spend to much energy so that they can go back to their busy schedule unscathed.

It\'s impossible to recreate their level of play (and sportsmanship) that they show in the Korean leagues because because the stakes are so different: one league requires you to use every ounce of wit and skill you\'ve got (creating strong impressions on the fans are neccessary also), the other you can throw away matches, come to the matches unprepared and 80% of the time they\'ll still rape the opponent silly. They\'re more worried about the MSL quarter finals, or the upcoming proleague match they\'re going to have to do 2 days later.

It\'s unfair to the opponents, the audiences and those who arranged the competition, but it\'s not going to change.

What happens if they are banned from foreign tournaments for this level of disrespect? A lot of Korean fans will get what they want. Because this is what some of us think: top gamers have no time nor the energy to waste going abroad and playing against players that are worse than online practice students (and they\'re way down the hierachy).

The times where top players from each nation gathered to test their skill and sportsmanship are long gone. Korean players play disrespectfully because, well, the difference IS that big. Who cares if some foreign \'gosu\' gets pissed because you tossed a game against him instead of giving him the chance to play the game of his lifetime? Not the gamers, not their followers who\'ll only care whether Korea got 1,2,3. And on the other side, foreign players are busy making their excuses before the matches start so that their ego doesn\'t get crushed. Things are not what it used to be. It\'s sad to see foreign community hurt like this... and even sadder it\'ll go unnoticed in Korea.

Maybe this is the day Starcraft truly dies in non-Korean nations.


if this is true korea is not only showing as starcraft community but also as nation their own shortcomings. and this really not something to be proud of
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starscrapper
Profile Joined October 2007
29 Posts
October 22 2007 11:34 GMT
#394
IEST2007 FINALS 5 GAMES:
HwaSin FPVOD vs Calm (1) 2007-10-21
http://hot1.mofile.com/200710221100/738b26a807ab47ec402384da1139078c/g3/ctc/2007/10/21/TH/CF/THCF9S21
HwaSin FPVOD vs Calm (2) 2007-10-21
http://hot1.mofile.com/200710221100/08fd7c771ad984b839b23de0c9b96a5d/g3/ctc/2007/10/21/PV/R7/PVR71DQI
HwaSin FPVOD vs Calm (3) 2007-10-21
http://hot1.mofile.com/200710221100/64faf6cf31e16cb8826c7edd3e8a2676/g3/ctc/2007/10/21/VF/Q5/VFQ5KME4
HwaSin FPVOD vs Calm (4) 2007-10-21
http://hot1.mofile.com/200710221100/fdb6c136b71785169a956917cbac2ea2/g3/ctc/2007/10/21/X2/4U/X24UT38T
HwaSin FPVOD vs Calm (5) 2007-10-21
http://hot1.mofile.com/200710221100/157c787b29b6d7ab33962b4f31ad71d1/g3/ctc/2007/10/21/2D/XX/2DXX4CV5

Above 5 games were recorded from offical p2p TV HWASIN FIST PERSON stream broadcasting
seperated into 5 file,but duely endorsed.

check time tag 4th game @ 9Min34Sec, commentars' voice couldnt be montaged.

source from http://www.wfbrood.com/movie/iest/Index.html
starscrapper
Profile Joined October 2007
29 Posts
October 22 2007 11:44 GMT
#395
Rename above 5 games to .FLV file play and watch. Before 4th game or after?
let the whole world witenss.The wall in continential fallacy.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
October 22 2007 11:54 GMT
#396
On October 22 2007 20:28 no.1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2007 07:33 Letmelose wrote:
I will be brutally honest.

Korean players don\'t care. I seriously doubt Korean communities will care. Sad, but true.

What Korean communities do care about is top players like Hwashin not straining himself too hard and getting easy cash, most of all not damaging his chances in the vastly more important Korean leagues.

What foreign communities like this care about is Korean gamers doing what they were paid and invited over to do: wow non-Korean audiences with their out of the world skills, and showing respect to their worthy foreign opponents.

But the thing is, doing what the foreign communities want takes hours of practice beforehand, some serious concentration and research on their opponents (how can you show respect to some amateur you\'ve never heard about?). That\'s too much for these kids. They just want to take a break from their rigorous schedule and play half-assed against their opponents they know nothing about and don\'t care to know about whilst having fun experience abroad, and getting richer for the experience. They don\'t come to play against foreigners, they come to win against foreigners and not spend to much energy so that they can go back to their busy schedule unscathed.

It\'s impossible to recreate their level of play (and sportsmanship) that they show in the Korean leagues because because the stakes are so different: one league requires you to use every ounce of wit and skill you\'ve got (creating strong impressions on the fans are neccessary also), the other you can throw away matches, come to the matches unprepared and 80% of the time they\'ll still rape the opponent silly. They\'re more worried about the MSL quarter finals, or the upcoming proleague match they\'re going to have to do 2 days later.

It\'s unfair to the opponents, the audiences and those who arranged the competition, but it\'s not going to change.

What happens if they are banned from foreign tournaments for this level of disrespect? A lot of Korean fans will get what they want. Because this is what some of us think: top gamers have no time nor the energy to waste going abroad and playing against players that are worse than online practice students (and they\'re way down the hierachy).

The times where top players from each nation gathered to test their skill and sportsmanship are long gone. Korean players play disrespectfully because, well, the difference IS that big. Who cares if some foreign \'gosu\' gets pissed because you tossed a game against him instead of giving him the chance to play the game of his lifetime? Not the gamers, not their followers who\'ll only care whether Korea got 1,2,3. And on the other side, foreign players are busy making their excuses before the matches start so that their ego doesn\'t get crushed. Things are not what it used to be. It\'s sad to see foreign community hurt like this... and even sadder it\'ll go unnoticed in Korea.

Maybe this is the day Starcraft truly dies in non-Korean nations.


if this is true korea is not only showing as starcraft community but also as nation their own shortcomings. and this really not something to be proud of


I was stating my thoughts on what is. I actually was wrong on the Korean communities not caring. I temporarily oversaw how sensitive Koreans are to foreign criticism in general.

Like I said, these were what I thought were the facts. Nothing to be proud of? No shit.
TL+ Member
The_Marine
Profile Joined March 2005
Malta46 Posts
October 22 2007 11:59 GMT
#397
On October 22 2007 09:10 lostman wrote:
Not that I condone their actions, but I think most people in this thread are overreacting a tad.

Firstly, look at Hwasin's condition, flying back and forth over the past 3 days while playing non stop, obviously he is going to be tired at the end of it - especially because its a foreigner tournament and they are guarenteed 1st/2nd, how can u blame him for wanting to end the games quickly? Once again i'm not saying his actions correct or even justified...but just put yourself in his shoes for a second, and also consider what Letmelose was saying about how koreans really dont care much for foreigner tournaments.



the best thing for hwasin is not to go then, but no, he saw that money in it, thats why he went , for money
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
October 22 2007 12:01 GMT
#398
koreans (especially the ones from the same team) are like workers of the overmind. They cant fight each other, they fight the enemies like the Borg does. Once they assimilate you, and they have no enemies left, they will not turn on each other. there's no reason for it in their minds, they've accomplished their goal, served the overmind. They're not gonna waste energy without a good reason.

fucking asian mentality.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 12:10:49
October 22 2007 12:07 GMT
#399
On October 22 2007 19:47 Manatea wrote:
whatever you believe, it's over, at least in Korea (cuz Boxer is on TV today)
Some are still doubting, but majority of people take Fifo's article as a truth and believe players are just not serious and jokes(because they are teammates)
They believe that players are just careless to joke mind tricks in a foreign league.

Most significantly, Korean HEARD Andy's 2002 world cup word and it makes Korean people to believe Chienese manipulated this controversy intended for a bad purpose.

I'm not sure which one is true. but Andy should've been careful when he tried to persuade people.
If IEST and other international competitions ban the 2 players (which they should), then it'll be brought up again and everyone can see what they did. And not just stopping them from competing, I mean making a full announcement about it. Rigging games is probably the worst possible offense in any kind of competition, worse than 1 person cheating.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
starscrapper
Profile Joined October 2007
29 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 12:29:53
October 22 2007 12:09 GMT
#400
Folks who made fake games? That's IEST semi qualify Blzkman vs LEILEI(Chinese player) download VOD watch and judge for yourself.
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