IEST Controversy - Page 20

On October 21 2007 19:57 kAra wrote:
wtf proxy now after they both talked about it ? _ ??

On October 22 2007 18:06 starscrapper wrote:
abusers shut up and sin no more
just download the FLV file whatch left side of the screen 9Min 34Sec "5 SET @PYTHON STARS IN X secs" count down

On October 22 2007 15:39 HnR)Insane wrote:

go to 9 20 mark in youtube video.
This is an image I captured from a non-youtube version of it (which is slightly higher text quality, I think). I realize it's not exactly proof, but I think you can make out (relatively) well the "2sunken no ring" at the far bottom right

edit: here's link to the .avi I got that from: http://download.yousendit.com/1CA2B0283434CE1A

On October 22 2007 18:17 FoBBish wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOu8IB0CyAU

the fourth game youtube link.

and HnR)Insane's pic.




see the resemblance?

On October 22 2007 19:25 haduken wrote:
Sad..

On October 22 2007 07:33 Letmelose wrote:
I will be brutally honest.

Korean players don\'t care. I seriously doubt Korean communities will care. Sad, but true.

What Korean communities do care about is top players like Hwashin not straining himself too hard and getting easy cash, most of all not damaging his chances in the vastly more important Korean leagues.

What foreign communities like this care about is Korean gamers doing what they were paid and invited over to do: wow non-Korean audiences with their out of the world skills, and showing respect to their worthy foreign opponents.

But the thing is, doing what the foreign communities want takes hours of practice beforehand, some serious concentration and research on their opponents (how can you show respect to some amateur you\'ve never heard about?). That\'s too much for these kids. They just want to take a break from their rigorous schedule and play half-assed against their opponents they know nothing about and don\'t care to know about whilst having fun experience abroad, and getting richer for the experience. They don\'t come to play against foreigners, they come to win against foreigners and not spend to much energy so that they can go back to their busy schedule unscathed.

It\'s impossible to recreate their level of play (and sportsmanship) that they show in the Korean leagues because because the stakes are so different: one league requires you to use every ounce of wit and skill you\'ve got (creating strong impressions on the fans are neccessary also), the other you can throw away matches, come to the matches unprepared and 80% of the time they\'ll still rape the opponent silly. They\'re more worried about the MSL quarter finals, or the upcoming proleague match they\'re going to have to do 2 days later.

It\'s unfair to the opponents, the audiences and those who arranged the competition, but it\'s not going to change.

What happens if they are banned from foreign tournaments for this level of disrespect? A lot of Korean fans will get what they want. Because this is what some of us think: top gamers have no time nor the energy to waste going abroad and playing against players that are worse than online practice students (and they\'re way down the hierachy).

The times where top players from each nation gathered to test their skill and sportsmanship are long gone. Korean players play disrespectfully because, well, the difference IS that big. Who cares if some foreign \'gosu\' gets pissed because you tossed a game against him instead of giving him the chance to play the game of his lifetime? Not the gamers, not their followers who\'ll only care whether Korea got 1,2,3. And on the other side, foreign players are busy making their excuses before the matches start so that their ego doesn\'t get crushed. Things are not what it used to be. It\'s sad to see foreign community hurt like this... and even sadder it\'ll go unnoticed in Korea.

Maybe this is the day Starcraft truly dies in non-Korean nations.

On October 22 2007 20:28 no.1 wrote:


if this is true korea is not only showing as starcraft community but also as nation their own shortcomings. and this really not something to be proud of

On October 22 2007 09:10 lostman wrote:
Not that I condone their actions, but I think most people in this thread are overreacting a tad.

Firstly, look at Hwasin's condition, flying back and forth over the past 3 days while playing non stop, obviously he is going to be tired at the end of it - especially because its a foreigner tournament and they are guarenteed 1st/2nd, how can u blame him for wanting to end the games quickly? Once again i'm not saying his actions correct or even justified...but just put yourself in his shoes for a second, and also consider what Letmelose was saying about how koreans really dont care much for foreigner tournaments.

On October 22 2007 19:47 Manatea wrote:
whatever you believe, it's over, at least in Korea (cuz Boxer is on TV today)
Some are still doubting, but majority of people take Fifo's article as a truth and believe players are just not serious and jokes(because they are teammates)
They believe that players are just careless to joke mind tricks in a foreign league.

Most significantly, Korean HEARD Andy's 2002 world cup word and it makes Korean people to believe Chienese manipulated this controversy intended for a bad purpose.

I'm not sure which one is true. but Andy should've been careful when he tried to persuade people.