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SpringWind
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
China231 Posts
October 22 2007 07:46 GMT
#361
On October 22 2007 16:12 HonestTea wrote:
Quotes from the players from FiFo article:

Calm: "It was a mind trick, I was saying that even if I play like that I could still win, it was a taunt. I didn't expect it to cause this kind of misunderstanding."

Hwasin: "I played along with his messages but chat like that happens every game [during practice]. The one thing I didn't want was for the games to go long. So I attacked early with the thought that, if it works great, if not, then Calm wins so great."

Coach of STX: "Why would we fix a match when it doesn't matter who wins? I don't know where this controversy came from. What happened was two teammates with little experience playing in overseas tournaments were playing light-heartedly.

From FiFo article.

STX Coach didnt have a high intelligence either
gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
October 22 2007 07:51 GMT
#362
On October 22 2007 16:11 KissBlade wrote:
I don't see what more evidence do they need? The screenshots matches /exactly/. Also from the sounds of things, it sounded already like they acknowledge that the things said were probably what their strats were going into game but yet they expect us to believe that they were trying to mentally psych the other person out? That's just ridiculous and from the tone of things sounds like they're covering their behind. You don't deny something by saying "oh it's not true but just in case it's true, here's another excuse to throw at you".


U ever play a game and said that you're going to fast pool someone, only to expand instead?

I don't really care about what the truth is because it doesn't matter. Not right now anyway.
XellOs_PlutO
Profile Joined August 2003
Korea (South)166 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 08:19:36
October 22 2007 07:56 GMT
#363
On October 22 2007 16:36 .dragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2007 14:59 A.G)Andy wrote:
For those ppl who may doubt it, here is the link of one BroadCaster post
http://www.playsc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=77118&extra=page=1 (i have no time to translate it ) His ID is Toodming

He was Broadcasting PGL Season 2 ,i think a lot of ppl here was watching him from Pplive


I'll do a quick rundown of this article:

Basically he did a quick recap of the BO5 series, stating certain things, or lack thereof, as being fishy (no early-game scouting, 1 sunkens to a m&m push, etc.). He mentioned seeing "center barrack" in their game4 pre-game chatting, and that's when he realized that this is an "exhibition" and not the real deal.

He also said in the closing paragraph how he didn't wanna tell the crowd what was happening cus, frankly, it's difficult to have to break the news to a crowd of adoring fans. He said he finally came out with it cus 1.) alot of people saw their 1st-person view, and 2.) he was angered by the fact that afterwards people were discussing a "falsified" series with a lot of fanfare and excitement. That and Hwasin used the illegal "gas geyser bug" on JayStar knowing that it's banned by the Korean tournaments.

He concluded by saying that all in all, he felt everyone did a good job organizing the event, and that he hopes the viewing public will continue to support IEST and the Chinese StarCraft scene.


I don't think the this broadcaster's words could take us further disproving the so called "mind game theory". His prediction is only based on the chat appeared in first person views which is no different from that of Andy. Both of them could only assume the meanings of the chat because they are actually written in Korean language. Still the "mind game theory" remains questionable given that the chat before the 4th and 5th game matches the actual opening builds in both games.
Perstare et Praestare
TeRRan`UseR
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada692 Posts
October 22 2007 07:57 GMT
#364
Disqualify them both. Testie takes all. GG.
AKAs FreeloSS @USwest Freel0ss @Europe
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 07:58:20
October 22 2007 07:57 GMT
#365
Again, can someone who reads Korean translate what they said after game 4 but in the same game 4 video at like 8:52.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
.dragoon
Profile Joined May 2007
United States749 Posts
October 22 2007 08:00 GMT
#366
On October 22 2007 16:56 XellOs_PlutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2007 16:36 .dragoon wrote:
On October 22 2007 14:59 A.G)Andy wrote:
For those ppl who may doubt it, here is the link of one BroadCaster post
http://www.playsc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=77118&extra=page=1 (i have no time to translate it ) His ID is Toodming

He was Broadcasting PGL Season 2 ,i think a lot of ppl here was watching him from Pplive


I'll do a quick rundown of this article:

Basically he did a quick recap of the BO5 series, stating certain things, or lack thereof, as being fishy (no early-game scouting, 1 sunkens to a m&m push, etc.). He mentioned seeing "center barrack" in their game4 pre-game chatting, and that's when he realized that this is an "exhibition" and not the real deal.

He also said in the closing paragraph how he didn't wanna tell the crowd what was happening cus, frankly, it's difficult to have to break the news to a crowd of adoring fans. He said he finally came out with it cus 1.) alot of people saw their 1st-person view, and 2.) he was angered by the fact that afterwards people were discussing a "falsified" series with a lot of fanfare and excitement. That and Hwasin used the illegal "gas geyser bug" on JayStar knowing that it's banned by the Korean tournaments.

He concluded by saying that all in all, he felt everyone did a good job organizing the event, and that he hopes the viewing public will continue to support IEST and the Chinese StarCraft scene.


I don't think the this broadcaster's words could take us further in disproving the somewhat "mind game theory". His prediction is only based on the chat appeared in first person views which is no different from that of Andy. Both of them could only assume the meanings of the chat because they are actually written in Korean language. Still the "mind game theory" remains questionable given that the chat before the 4th and 5th game match the actual opening builds in both games.

Dude, read this thread.

"Center barrack" and "All drone 1 sunken" are not korean.
If you can, then do. If I can, I will.
starscrapper
Profile Joined October 2007
29 Posts
October 22 2007 08:00 GMT
#367
Relay is not a realtime broadcasting. Check this thread in Chinese http://www.playsc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=77175&extra=page=3
TeRRan`UseR
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada692 Posts
October 22 2007 08:05 GMT
#368
Someone said it earlier; sports betting. I'm wondering if the STX coach or anyone close to Hwasin/Calm was taking bets on the game.
AKAs FreeloSS @USwest Freel0ss @Europe
XellOs_PlutO
Profile Joined August 2003
Korea (South)166 Posts
October 22 2007 08:06 GMT
#369
On October 22 2007 17:00 .dragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2007 16:56 XellOs_PlutO wrote:
On October 22 2007 16:36 .dragoon wrote:
On October 22 2007 14:59 A.G)Andy wrote:
For those ppl who may doubt it, here is the link of one BroadCaster post
http://www.playsc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=77118&extra=page=1 (i have no time to translate it ) His ID is Toodming

He was Broadcasting PGL Season 2 ,i think a lot of ppl here was watching him from Pplive


I'll do a quick rundown of this article:

Basically he did a quick recap of the BO5 series, stating certain things, or lack thereof, as being fishy (no early-game scouting, 1 sunkens to a m&m push, etc.). He mentioned seeing "center barrack" in their game4 pre-game chatting, and that's when he realized that this is an "exhibition" and not the real deal.

He also said in the closing paragraph how he didn't wanna tell the crowd what was happening cus, frankly, it's difficult to have to break the news to a crowd of adoring fans. He said he finally came out with it cus 1.) alot of people saw their 1st-person view, and 2.) he was angered by the fact that afterwards people were discussing a "falsified" series with a lot of fanfare and excitement. That and Hwasin used the illegal "gas geyser bug" on JayStar knowing that it's banned by the Korean tournaments.

He concluded by saying that all in all, he felt everyone did a good job organizing the event, and that he hopes the viewing public will continue to support IEST and the Chinese StarCraft scene.


I don't think the this broadcaster's words could take us further in disproving the somewhat "mind game theory". His prediction is only based on the chat appeared in first person views which is no different from that of Andy. Both of them could only assume the meanings of the chat because they are actually written in Korean language. Still the "mind game theory" remains questionable given that the chat before the 4th and 5th game match the actual opening builds in both games.

Dude, read this thread.

"Center barrack" and "All drone 1 sunken" are not korean.


Ofcourse I know that is not Korean. I meant by that they could not see if it is the part of the mind game.
Perstare et Praestare
HaiVan
Profile Joined April 2005
Bulgaria1698 Posts
October 22 2007 08:18 GMT
#370
"center barrack" "me all drone 1 sunk", and then what do you know thats exactly what happens in the game. Well obviously its a fucking mind game.
/sarcasm off
Listen to The Special One
XellOs_PlutO
Profile Joined August 2003
Korea (South)166 Posts
October 22 2007 08:23 GMT
#371
On October 22 2007 17:18 HaiVan wrote:
"center barrack" "me all drone 1 sunk", and then what do you know thats exactly what happens in the game. Well obviously its a fucking mind game.
/sarcasm off

Both Hwasin and Calm said its a part of the mind game but its acutally sad to see how the chat and the game matches up.
Perstare et Praestare
starscrapper
Profile Joined October 2007
29 Posts
October 22 2007 08:29 GMT
#372
download Hwasin vs Calm IEST FINALS 4th game Hwasin FPVOD clip.
shffule to 9Min34Sec " All drone 1 sunken""Center barrack"
What the heck! Players were just reviewing 4th game while await 5th game @python starts

close this thread and sin no more..............
daladala
Profile Joined October 2007
China8 Posts
October 22 2007 08:35 GMT
#373
On October 22 2007 17:29 starscrapper wrote:
download Hwasin vs Calm IEST FINALS 4th game Hwasin FPVOD clip.
shffule to 9Min34Sec " All drone 1 sunken""Center barrack"
What the heck! Players were just reviewing 4th game while await 5th game @python starts

close this thread and sin no more..............

나의 간결을 먹으십시요
Fobbish
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Korea (South)1071 Posts
October 22 2007 08:47 GMT
#374
On October 22 2007 17:29 starscrapper wrote:
download Hwasin vs Calm IEST FINALS 4th game Hwasin FPVOD clip.
shffule to 9Min34Sec " All drone 1 sunken""Center barrack"
What the heck! Players were just reviewing 4th game while await 5th game @python starts

close this thread and sin no more..............


hmmm we were so focus on the text that we forgot such important fact.

truly, the conversations took after fourth game.
강함은 타고나는 것이 아니라 만들어 지는 것이다! - 외인구단
TeRRan`UseR
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada692 Posts
October 22 2007 08:54 GMT
#375
I'm confused...Did this 19 page thread which has sparked controversey been all for nothing?
AKAs FreeloSS @USwest Freel0ss @Europe
roadrunner_sc
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 08:59:40
October 22 2007 08:56 GMT
#376
Nope. He's just deliberately trying to stir up confusion.

All the initial accusations had been confirmed. Albeit a bit muddled by the garbage posts in between.
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.dragoon
Profile Joined May 2007
United States749 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 09:09:01
October 22 2007 08:58 GMT
#377
On October 22 2007 17:29 starscrapper wrote:
download Hwasin vs Calm IEST FINALS 4th game Hwasin FPVOD clip.
shffule to 9Min34Sec " All drone 1 sunken""Center barrack"
What the heck! Players were just reviewing 4th game while await 5th game @python starts

close this thread and sin no more..............

On October 22 2007 17:47 FoBBish wrote:
hmmm we were so focus on the text that we forgot such important fact.

truly, the conversations took after fourth game.


lol, did you guys even watch the games?

The 9min34sec thing is inbedded youtube counting backwards, it's actually 17 secs into the video which is BEFORE game 4. And center barrack 12pool is game4, all drone 1 sunken vs mmf is game5.

I don't even know why some of you are in here for, so obviously clueless
If you can, then do. If I can, I will.
HaiVan
Profile Joined April 2005
Bulgaria1698 Posts
October 22 2007 09:00 GMT
#378
Ban the fucker!
Listen to The Special One
starscrapper
Profile Joined October 2007
29 Posts
October 22 2007 09:06 GMT
#379
abusers shut up and sin no more
just download the FLV file whatch left side of the screen 9Min 34Sec "5 SET @PYTHON STARS IN X secs" count down
Fobbish
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Korea (South)1071 Posts
October 22 2007 09:06 GMT
#380
guys, after reading scrapper's commnents, i checked it. what he is saying is legit.

i found same footage of the screen shot in the youtube.
강함은 타고나는 것이 아니라 만들어 지는 것이다! - 외인구단
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