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On October 22 2007 15:39 HnR)Insane wrote:<img src='http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2287/vlcsnap1792725kw8.png'> This is an image I captured from a non-youtube version of it (which is slightly higher text quality, I think). I realize it's not exactly proof, but I think you can make out (relatively) well the "2sunken no ring" at the far bottom right edit: here's link to the .avi I got that from: http://download.yousendit.com/1CA2B0283434CE1A
Image pretty much all matches up. You can make out all drones, 1 sunken.
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you can check the convo. on fourth game at 17~19 sec., 8 min. 23 ~ 55 sec. and 9 min. 12 sec. to end.
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the coaches admitted they chatted a lot before the game, but it was just a mind game between the two(apparently a common thing pros do before the game in chat).
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To have a solid proof, we need to see exactly what they said in chat and see if they both follow up on what they said in chat during the actual game.
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Yea I see it. 17 seconds into the vid there's a flash of text. And then Hwasin scrolled down.
I can make out the 12pool part from youtube vid. youtube's a bad idea in the end.
Someone upload a HQ version.
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
Well, now I'm convinced 200%. Hopefully enough Koreans will swallow their national pride and Hwasin and Calm will suffer some non-trivial reprecussions for their odius lack of sportsmanship.
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
Translation from the fomos article:
Coach Cho Gyu-baek of STX: "It is true that the players were chatting during the finals. But match fixing is rediculous. We believe that chatting during the game for mind games was misunderstood to be cheating."
"There was a lot of chatting going on and most of it was simple and routine chatting/mind games between the players. There were some people at the scene who made accusations, but the organizers who are familiar with Korea understood that there was nothing wrong going on."
SO that would be a formal denial.
The article goes on to mention that the evidence is inconclusive, and there's also a quote from Head Coach of STX backing the honesty and character of Hwasin and Calm.
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This kind of mental games do happen in event games lots..
Especially Hwasin seems to do a lot of this due to his young age.
(as shown in 2007 First Season All Star Matches.)
However... This was just ridiculous. I wonder what STX will say about this.
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Should get Daniel Lee's opinion!!! Then again, I am not sure if it will be biased even w/ him...o_O
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United States4991 Posts
On October 22 2007 15:49 .dragoon wrote:
Yea I see it. 17 seconds into the vid there's a flash of text.
I can make out the 12pool part from youtube vid. youtube's a bad idea in the end.
Someone upload a HQ version.
The .flv itself is really low quality to begin with, so unless we get a better source vid we can't make it higher quality  .
The .avi I uploaded on yousendit last page was same quality as the .flv.
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United States10774 Posts
oh heyyy teamliquid is mentioned in fomos! 
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the coaches admitted they chatted a lot before the game, but it was just a mind game between the two(apparently a common thing pros do before the game in chat).
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To have a solid proof, we need to see exactly what they said in chat and see if they both follow up on what they said in chat during the actual game.
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i swear... so many fucken n00bs
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First I thought it was just a frame, but the text disappeared b/w 17sec and 18 sec cus Hwasin scrolled down.
Btw if you compare side by side what the vids show and what was reportedly said, they're identical. To remove all doubt, A.G)Andy please upload a HQ version.
nvm I just saw insane's .avi, it's pretty obvious now.
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These denials are just ridiculous. This is Sandlot all over again.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
fucking administration is digging a deeper hole.
Fuck em
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United States10774 Posts
From Fomos.kr Article-
So basically STX coach formally denied the accusations and suggested that the foreigners could have misinterpreted the conversation. He said that Hwasin and Calm were chatting strategical things as part of the mental game.
The article and the responses seem really negative though. The writer of the article talks about the possibility of fake screenshots, lack of evidence, and etc. STX Coach even said he's not going to bother responding and such.
Few responses -
*one wouldn't be say that if he saw Calm's face after the loss...
*do they really think they will match korea in SC if they do stuff like this? +insert some explicit words
*FiFo+Fomos+some other site need to go mass rush. (referring to Teamliquid, I think)
*pure nonsense hahahah
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United States4991 Posts
On October 22 2007 16:03 OneOther wrote:From Fomos.kr Article-So basically STX coach formally denied the accusations and suggested that the foreigners could have misinterpreted the conversation. He said that Hwasin and Calm were chatting strategical things as part of the mental game. The article and the responses seem really negative though. The writer of the article talks about the possibility of fake screenshots, lack of evidence, and etc. STX Coach even said he's not going to bother responding and such. Few responses - *one wouldn't be say that if he saw Calm's face after the loss... *do they really think they will match korea if they shit like this? etc etc *FiFo+Fomos+some other site need to go mass rush. (referring to Teamliquid, I think) *pure nonsense hahahah ya it seems like not a single Korean is buying it 
How about you post the evidence to fomos then? 
I actually seem to be in the minority (ed: of foreigners) in that I don't care very much that they did this / don't think it's a huge deal, but I like the truth to be known.
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United States10774 Posts
I think it's wrong but I don't care about it enough to go out there and post the evidence. If anyone else could do it though it would be cool.
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FConnectionUK
United States316 Posts
Not all Koreans are ignorant.
Few other responses:
*If this was a mental game, why whisper? Why not just chat in normal?
*Such an honest mental game...
Edit: Also only source the Koreans have to review this matter is one very unclear photo. So I don't blame them being doubtful for now. Although someone named Pluto is doing great job providing them more sources.
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