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Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
October 22 2007 15:23 GMT
#421
--- Nuked ---
Never Post
Profile Joined July 2004
United Kingdom503 Posts
October 22 2007 15:26 GMT
#422
IEST isn't at all comparable to the top korean leagues.
They shouldn't even bother inviting the top players, stuff like this is bound to happen.
WCG has to include everyone by principle, the match throwing happens every single year.
IEST has a choice of who to invite, just go for the lower-tier koreans who are sure to play for real.
Note to self: [You have short term memory loss - you did post this]
samsammy
Profile Joined December 2005
United States76 Posts
October 22 2007 15:26 GMT
#423
And I give up if you guys don't believe me. I actually never thought the foreign gaming community had so much antagonism and suspicion against the Korean.

If you believe Hwasin is right, everything makes sense.
If you believe Hwasin is wrong, everything makes sense.

There is no logic in this accusation.
1st there are no motivations
2nd games 1,2,3 were legit
thrid games 4,5 were legit without viewing the whispers.

There was no reason for calm to make more than one or two sunkens. No zerg player would do these days unless he knows the opponent was doing an 'all in.' normally one would assume the terran player take a double.
Just think about the fourth game and fifth game. What would a pro do at the situation? Exactly what calm did Do 12 pool.
You guys are stupidly innocent if you guys think 'he said he'll do 12 pool and he did, so he rigged it.'

And some of the words and the gameplay doesn't make sense.

The reason that they whispered was because they didn't believe the people could see the fp version. Why wouldn't they clear things up, rather than vaguley talking about what to do?

Why didn't calm whisper to HWasin and say, hey I'm at 11 o clock

The koreans aren't being ignorant, you guys are.
More anger plz-
Honk2000
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany698 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 15:27:10
October 22 2007 15:26 GMT
#424
On October 23 2007 00:23 Jathin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2007 00:14 samsammy wrote:
What the hell is awkward about this match.


Could it possibly be the fact that build orders were declared before the game started?


did they declare in the chat who is going to win?
samsammy
Profile Joined December 2005
United States76 Posts
October 22 2007 15:28 GMT
#425
WCG happenes so that Koreans try to get 1st 2nd third place. Once they know that they do their best against each other to win.

IEST Koreans got 1,2,3 place. They tried their best (considering conditions)
More anger plz-
samsammy
Profile Joined December 2005
United States76 Posts
October 22 2007 15:29 GMT
#426
On October 23 2007 00:26 Honk2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2007 00:23 Jathin wrote:
On October 23 2007 00:14 samsammy wrote:
What the hell is awkward about this match.


Could it possibly be the fact that build orders were declared before the game started?


did they declare in the chat who is going to win?


It wasn't declaring,
It was playing around.

God you guys are innocent.
More anger plz-
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 22 2007 15:31 GMT
#427
samsammy in my three years posting at TL you're one of the most retarded person I've ever seen, please stop talking
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 22 2007 15:32 GMT
#428
and you're not just retarded you're passionately retarded, which is worse
samsammy
Profile Joined December 2005
United States76 Posts
October 22 2007 15:36 GMT
#429
I don't give a shit about what you think now.
I may be passionately retarded,

but you're just ignorantly blind + deaf.
And I feel sorry for you.
More anger plz-
mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
October 22 2007 15:39 GMT
#430
On October 23 2007 00:26 samsammy wrote:
There is no logic in this accusation
1st there are no motivations -> There are many possible motivations, as said earlier in this thread.
2nd games 1,2,3 were legit -> In a BO5, the last 2 games are games that matter.
thrid games 4,5 were legit without viewing the whispers. -> Yes they are perfectly OK, but problem here is WE CAN SEE THE WHISPERS.

Explaining the messages as "mind game" doesn't sound right to me because they played exactly like that. It takes some effort to type the whisper command (the nickname is long and it's in game lobby, they can't copy/paste), it just looks too serious and intentional to me to look like playful harmless fooling around messages.

Anyway it seems Koreans don't care about it now, the only thing us foreign fans can do is to accept it and start boycotting STX from now on.
BoxerForever.com - the one and only international Boxer fansite since 2006 :)
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
October 22 2007 15:40 GMT
#431
yep. sammy just fuck off, stop trying to cover shit up.
Rillanon.au
Honk2000
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany698 Posts
October 22 2007 15:43 GMT
#432
On October 23 2007 00:29 samsammy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2007 00:26 Honk2000 wrote:
On October 23 2007 00:23 Jathin wrote:
On October 23 2007 00:14 samsammy wrote:
What the hell is awkward about this match.


Could it possibly be the fact that build orders were declared before the game started?


did they declare in the chat who is going to win?


It wasn't declaring,
It was playing around.

God you guys are innocent.


what i meant is they didn't say things like "me win you lose" or "me sal sal me gg"
they were just talking about build orders and people getting paranoid that the games were therfor rigged it's just ridiculous.

i think op recently discovered pro wrestling is only a show and thinks pro gamers do the same :/
samsammy
Profile Joined December 2005
United States76 Posts
October 22 2007 15:47 GMT
#433
On October 23 2007 00:39 mrdx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2007 00:26 samsammy wrote:
There is no logic in this accusation
1st there are no motivations -> There are many possible motivations, as said earlier in this thread. --> I don't believe one to be legit. Like what ? Split the money? Didn't have to rig.
2nd games 1,2,3 were legit -> In a BO5, the last 2 games are games that matter.
thrid games 4,5 were legit without viewing the whispers. -> Yes they are perfectly OK, but problem here is WE CAN SEE THE WHISPERS --> And if Hwasin won 3:0, Calm 3:0?.

Explaining the messages as "mind game" doesn't sound right to me because they played exactly like that. It takes some effort to type the whisper command (the nickname is long and it's in game lobby, they can't copy/paste), it just looks too serious and intentional to me to look like playful harmless fooling around messages.

Anyway it seems Koreans don't care about it now, the only thing us foreign fans can do is to accept it and start boycotting STX from now on.


Okay, this is my final. I'll shut up.

The fact that you guys saw the whispers mean that Hwasin thought you guys couldn't see the whispers. I would expect something more than three lines then.

And shit. If they wanted Hwasin to win, Calm coul've done without chatting, riggin, or anything. I'm pretty sure he could trick all of our eyes and lose if he wanted to.
More anger plz-
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 15:49:21
October 22 2007 15:48 GMT
#434
Okay, no more bullshit. If you want to discuss something new, that's fine, such as implications or how this can be avoided in the future.

If you post the same stuff, you will be banned, such as why you don't believe this happened. This is directed at you, samsammy. I'm not trying to bait you into getting banned, but your arguments and tone in this thread are ridiculous. If you don't believe there was foul play, that's great, but don't post about it here any more.

Conversely, we don't need to hear others' theories about why they think there was foul play. It's been discussed to death in the previous 20 pages.
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Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 16:09:39
October 22 2007 15:50 GMT
#435
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 16:10:02
October 22 2007 15:51 GMT
#436
What I found most interesting is that both articles released by FiFo and Fomos referred to THIS VERY THREAD as the start of the controversy. Fomos actually said "the controversy began when someone posted pictures of the chatting screen on the famous foreign website teamliquid". I was like "THAT'S US BITCHES!"
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
Kassios
Profile Joined May 2006
France1424 Posts
October 22 2007 15:53 GMT
#437
wow this thread is becoming a flame war between chinese and koreans and nobody noticed..
- Death is certain, life is not -
samsammy
Profile Joined December 2005
United States76 Posts
October 22 2007 15:56 GMT
#438
I'm sorry about the tone, Chill.

I never meant to be so 'harsh,' but my personality worked like that.
I just couldn't help wanting to change to the opinon of people believing that Hwasin and Calm cheated (and so stupidly, too).

I gave it my best, and I guess it didn't work.

But I also do see clearly that this is a dead topic and we have our lives to take care after.
So yeah, this is my last post.
Uh yeah, don't ban me.
More anger plz-
blazin777
Profile Joined August 2007
United States30 Posts
October 22 2007 15:59 GMT
#439
wow stfu plz lock this thread already
saranghaeCY-
Profile Joined October 2007
United States446 Posts
October 22 2007 16:01 GMT
#440
On October 23 2007 00:48 Chill wrote:
Okay, no more bullshit. If you want to discuss something new, that's fine, such as implications or how this can be avoided in the future.

If you post the same stuff, you will be banned, such as why you don't believe this happened. This is directed at you, samsammy. I'm not trying to bait you into getting banned, but your arguments and tone in this thread are ridiculous. If you don't believe there was foul play, that's great, but don't post about it here any more.

Conversely, we don't need to hear others' theories about why they think there was foul play. It's been discussed to death in the previous 20 pages.
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