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On October 30 2018 19:30 Plansix wrote:
Speaking of white nationalism and racism, Trump lies here and says he is going to end birth right citizenship. He can’t do it, the 14th amendment exists. But it doesn’t matter because just like the the caravan, this is all a pre election ploy to drive his base. And as we have seen, his supporters lap it up.
Trump seems to think that the period just before the election is the best time to act like a radical when it comes to immigration. Wonder why that is.
Recall Netanyahu saying on election day in Israel that "Arabs are being bussed to the polls."
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On October 31 2018 01:00 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 00:44 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 19:21 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 11:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 11:36 Plansix wrote:
Thousands? Citation needed. Well, start with 3,000 or so killed on 9/11, and then add roughly another 125-130 from other incidents. Hell, 50 people died in the Orlando night club shooting alone. Oh, so it’s no longer since 9/11. Now it’s including 9/11 and then includes anything else that people labeled Terrorism, rather than “lone wolves”. I was wondering how we were going to get to thousands when it is around 200 people since 9/11. I had to include 9/11 because GH's figures for white supremacist homicides start in 2000. Fair is fair. Even if you throw out 9/11, there are still more Muslim-terrorism-related homicides than white supremacist homicides in the US. Toss in sophisticated global networks, reach, and financing, all of the failed attempted schemes, and the sheer amount of resources that US defense and intelligence agencies are throwing at Muslim terrorism, and there simply is no denying that Muslim terrorism is the much bigger threat. Like I said, it's not even close. Yet y'all simply must focus on evil whitey. What do we call that kind of irrational racial animus? Oh, that's right: RACISM. I appreciate your strong stance on this matter. You are therefore strongly in favour of immediate sanctions on Saudi Arabia, given that they are among the biggest single supporters of muslim terrorism in the middle east? You are also very strongly against selling guns to them given that many of those firearms will end up in the hands of said terrorists?
Don't be so puerile in your analysis. Immediate sanctions of Saudi Arabia are unrealistic for a variety of reasons, including 1) the disruption it would cause to oil markets, 2) the role the Saudi government is playing in combating Muslim extremism (yes, this is complicated and problematic), and 3) the check that the Saudis provide on Iran in the Middle East. Though I am no fan of the Saudis, we can't just dump them overboard. It will take decades to unwind our relationship with them.
And yes, I'm generally fine with selling weapons to the Saudi government. What I was less enthusiastic about, however, was Obama's policy of arming ISIS in Syria for the sole purpose of destabilizing Syria. Though I generally liked the idea of having all of the terrorists and assholes fighting it out over there, there is going to be a long term price paid for arming, training, and encouraging radical Muslim rebel forces in Syria. Many of those radicalized rebels are going home to Western countries, which is one of the reasons why there has been an uptick in terrorist activity in Europe since the Syrian Civil War started.
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There was a Republican candidate for congress in Texas that called his opponent an “Indo-American carpetbagger”, which is just some overt racism getting dropped a week before the election. Trump isn’t alone with throwing the red meat to the base.
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Look at this! Lindsey Grahamnesty of all people wants to introduce a bill to end birthright citizenship:
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Tuesday said that he will introduce legislation to end birthright citizenship after President Trump suggested he wanted to do so through an executive order.
"Finally, a president willing to take on this absurd policy of birthright citizenship. I’ve always supported comprehensive immigration reform — and at the same time — the elimination of birthright citizenship," Graham said in a string of tweets.
He added that he plans "to introduce legislation along the same lines as the proposed executive order" from Trump. Congress is out of session until Nov. 13.
Source.
Graham has been a brand new man ever since McCain died. It's like a curse was lifted.
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Legislation that will be dead in the water. But it’s nice Graham has shown his true colors as a racist old man acting like a moderate. This and Trumps efforts to strip citizenship from Americans born near the border is white nationalism finally taking over the main stream Republican party. At least they have the courage of their racist convictions.
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On October 31 2018 01:13 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 01:00 iamthedave wrote:On October 31 2018 00:44 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 19:21 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 11:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 11:36 Plansix wrote:
Thousands? Citation needed. Well, start with 3,000 or so killed on 9/11, and then add roughly another 125-130 from other incidents. Hell, 50 people died in the Orlando night club shooting alone. Oh, so it’s no longer since 9/11. Now it’s including 9/11 and then includes anything else that people labeled Terrorism, rather than “lone wolves”. I was wondering how we were going to get to thousands when it is around 200 people since 9/11. I had to include 9/11 because GH's figures for white supremacist homicides start in 2000. Fair is fair. Even if you throw out 9/11, there are still more Muslim-terrorism-related homicides than white supremacist homicides in the US. Toss in sophisticated global networks, reach, and financing, all of the failed attempted schemes, and the sheer amount of resources that US defense and intelligence agencies are throwing at Muslim terrorism, and there simply is no denying that Muslim terrorism is the much bigger threat. Like I said, it's not even close. Yet y'all simply must focus on evil whitey. What do we call that kind of irrational racial animus? Oh, that's right: RACISM. I appreciate your strong stance on this matter. You are therefore strongly in favour of immediate sanctions on Saudi Arabia, given that they are among the biggest single supporters of muslim terrorism in the middle east? You are also very strongly against selling guns to them given that many of those firearms will end up in the hands of said terrorists? Don't be so puerile in your analysis. Immediate sanctions of Saudi Arabia are unrealistic for a variety of reasons, including 1) the disruption it would cause to oil markets, 2) the role the Saudi government is playing in combating Muslim extremism (yes, this is complicated and problematic), and 3) the check that the Saudis provide on Iran in the Middle East. Though I am no fan of the Saudis, we can't just dump them overboard. It will take decades to unwind our relationship with them. And yes, I'm generally fine with selling weapons to the Saudi government. What I was less enthusiastic about, however, was Obama's policy of arming ISIS in Syria for the sole purpose of destabilizing Syria. Though I generally liked the idea of having all of the terrorists and assholes fighting it out over there, there is going to be a long term price paid for arming, training, and encouraging radical Muslim rebel forces in Syria. Many of those radicalized rebels are going home to Western countries, which is one of the reasons why there has been an uptick in terrorist activity in Europe since the Syrian Civil War started.
Yes, completely unlike the long-term price for letting the Saudis go completely unchecked, funnelling vast amounts of money and weapons into the terrorist networks you've already said cost the US millions to combat. I mean, I appreciate the lame attempt to blame Obama for everything - it's obligatory after all - but your nation's stance towards SA is clearly the main problem here. Blaming Obama for a standard US foreign policy procedure is hypocritical in the extreme. Arming insurgent groups to do your dirty work is old as the hills. See: Taliban.
On October 31 2018 01:46 Plansix wrote:
Legislation that will be dead in the water. But it’s nice Graham has shown his true colors as a racist old man acting like a moderate. This and Trumps efforts to strip citizenship from Americans born near the border is white nationalism finally taking over the main stream Republican party. At least they have the courage of their racist convictions.
And likewise XDaunt. His glee at this says a lot.
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On October 31 2018 00:44 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 19:21 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 11:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 11:36 Plansix wrote:
Thousands? Citation needed. Well, start with 3,000 or so killed on 9/11, and then add roughly another 125-130 from other incidents. Hell, 50 people died in the Orlando night club shooting alone. Oh, so it’s no longer since 9/11. Now it’s including 9/11 and then includes anything else that people labeled Terrorism, rather than “lone wolves”. I was wondering how we were going to get to thousands when it is around 200 people since 9/11. I had to include 9/11 because GH's figures for white supremacist homicides start in 2000. Fair is fair. Even if you throw out 9/11, there are still more Muslim-terrorism-related homicides than white supremacist homicides in the US. Toss in sophisticated global networks, reach, and financing, all of the failed attempted schemes, and the sheer amount of resources that US defense and intelligence agencies are throwing at Muslim terrorism, and there simply is no denying that Muslim terrorism is the much bigger threat. Like I said, it's not even close. Yet y'all simply must focus on evil whitey. What do we call that kind of irrational racial animus? Oh, that's right: RACISM.
The problem I have with the “post-9/11” bit is they’d be crying foul if there was some 500+ casualty event of domestic terrorism in the last 20 years, and we started the clock on domestic terrorism the day after it happened.
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On October 31 2018 02:14 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 00:44 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 19:21 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 11:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 11:36 Plansix wrote:
Thousands? Citation needed. Well, start with 3,000 or so killed on 9/11, and then add roughly another 125-130 from other incidents. Hell, 50 people died in the Orlando night club shooting alone. Oh, so it’s no longer since 9/11. Now it’s including 9/11 and then includes anything else that people labeled Terrorism, rather than “lone wolves”. I was wondering how we were going to get to thousands when it is around 200 people since 9/11. I had to include 9/11 because GH's figures for white supremacist homicides start in 2000. Fair is fair. Even if you throw out 9/11, there are still more Muslim-terrorism-related homicides than white supremacist homicides in the US. Toss in sophisticated global networks, reach, and financing, all of the failed attempted schemes, and the sheer amount of resources that US defense and intelligence agencies are throwing at Muslim terrorism, and there simply is no denying that Muslim terrorism is the much bigger threat. Like I said, it's not even close. Yet y'all simply must focus on evil whitey. What do we call that kind of irrational racial animus? Oh, that's right: RACISM. The problem I have with the “post-9/11” bit is they’d be crying foul if there was some 500+ casualty event of domestic terrorism in the last 20 years, and we started the clock on domestic terrorism the day after it happened.
I agree, which is why I was disinclined to monkey around with the numbers. I just find it amusing that people are arguing so hard against this proposition that Muslim terrorism is a larger threat when the evidence is simply overwhelming. At some point, Democrats are going to figure out that relentlessly attacking white people is counterproductive and stupid. They aren't there yet (we'll see what happens after this election), but the lightbulb will eventually go off.
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They killed like 200 people since 9/11, in a country of 300 million. I am more likely to have a plane fall on me or get struck by lightning than be killed in an attack by a Muslim terrorist.
Does it matter? Sure does. Do we current have it under control? Sure looks like it.
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On October 31 2018 02:28 Plansix wrote:
They killed like 200 people since 9/11, in a country of 300 million. I am more likely to have a plane fall on me or get struck by lightning than be killed in an attack by a Muslim terrorist.
Does it matter? Sure does. Do we current have it under control? Sure looks like it.
Great, then surely you are ready to admit that white supremacy as a source of terrorism is an even lesser problem -- basically an irrelevancy -- deserving of lesser attention than what is being devoted to Muslim terrorism.
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On October 31 2018 01:42 xDaunt wrote:Look at this! Lindsey Grahamnesty of all people wants to introduce a bill to end birthright citizenship: Show nested quote +Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Tuesday said that he will introduce legislation to end birthright citizenship after President Trump suggested he wanted to do so through an executive order.
"Finally, a president willing to take on this absurd policy of birthright citizenship. I’ve always supported comprehensive immigration reform — and at the same time — the elimination of birthright citizenship," Graham said in a string of tweets.
He added that he plans "to introduce legislation along the same lines as the proposed executive order" from Trump. Congress is out of session until Nov. 13. Source. Graham has been a brand new man ever since McCain died. It's like a curse was lifted.
Or the veil, showing his - and your - true colors.
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On October 31 2018 02:35 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 02:28 Plansix wrote:
They killed like 200 people since 9/11, in a country of 300 million. I am more likely to have a plane fall on me or get struck by lightning than be killed in an attack by a Muslim terrorist.
Does it matter? Sure does. Do we current have it under control? Sure looks like it. Great, then surely you are ready to admit that white supremacy as a source of terrorism is an even lesser problem -- basically an irrelevancy -- deserving of lesser attention than what is being devoted to Muslim terrorism.
Again, I’m not confident in the data that exists at this time. No data base exists for white supremist crimes and many racially motivated crimes are not labeled acts of white supremacy. Fuck, the White House is pushing that the shooter this weekend was anti religion, rather than anti Semitic. Much like yourself, the government has been uninterested in labeling acts of racial violence as acts white supremacy.
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On October 31 2018 02:39 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 01:42 xDaunt wrote:Look at this! Lindsey Grahamnesty of all people wants to introduce a bill to end birthright citizenship: Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Tuesday said that he will introduce legislation to end birthright citizenship after President Trump suggested he wanted to do so through an executive order.
"Finally, a president willing to take on this absurd policy of birthright citizenship. I’ve always supported comprehensive immigration reform — and at the same time — the elimination of birthright citizenship," Graham said in a string of tweets.
He added that he plans "to introduce legislation along the same lines as the proposed executive order" from Trump. Congress is out of session until Nov. 13. Source. Graham has been a brand new man ever since McCain died. It's like a curse was lifted. Or the veil, showing his - and your - true colors.
I know that this is going to be very challenging for you to accept and reconcile with your screwed up world view, but I make for a very poor example of a white supremacist given my ancestry and choice of spouse (and resulting children).
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On October 31 2018 01:53 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 01:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2018 01:00 iamthedave wrote:On October 31 2018 00:44 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 19:21 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 11:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 11:36 Plansix wrote:
Thousands? Citation needed. Well, start with 3,000 or so killed on 9/11, and then add roughly another 125-130 from other incidents. Hell, 50 people died in the Orlando night club shooting alone. Oh, so it’s no longer since 9/11. Now it’s including 9/11 and then includes anything else that people labeled Terrorism, rather than “lone wolves”. I was wondering how we were going to get to thousands when it is around 200 people since 9/11. I had to include 9/11 because GH's figures for white supremacist homicides start in 2000. Fair is fair. Even if you throw out 9/11, there are still more Muslim-terrorism-related homicides than white supremacist homicides in the US. Toss in sophisticated global networks, reach, and financing, all of the failed attempted schemes, and the sheer amount of resources that US defense and intelligence agencies are throwing at Muslim terrorism, and there simply is no denying that Muslim terrorism is the much bigger threat. Like I said, it's not even close. Yet y'all simply must focus on evil whitey. What do we call that kind of irrational racial animus? Oh, that's right: RACISM. I appreciate your strong stance on this matter. You are therefore strongly in favour of immediate sanctions on Saudi Arabia, given that they are among the biggest single supporters of muslim terrorism in the middle east? You are also very strongly against selling guns to them given that many of those firearms will end up in the hands of said terrorists? Don't be so puerile in your analysis. Immediate sanctions of Saudi Arabia are unrealistic for a variety of reasons, including 1) the disruption it would cause to oil markets, 2) the role the Saudi government is playing in combating Muslim extremism (yes, this is complicated and problematic), and 3) the check that the Saudis provide on Iran in the Middle East. Though I am no fan of the Saudis, we can't just dump them overboard. It will take decades to unwind our relationship with them. And yes, I'm generally fine with selling weapons to the Saudi government. What I was less enthusiastic about, however, was Obama's policy of arming ISIS in Syria for the sole purpose of destabilizing Syria. Though I generally liked the idea of having all of the terrorists and assholes fighting it out over there, there is going to be a long term price paid for arming, training, and encouraging radical Muslim rebel forces in Syria. Many of those radicalized rebels are going home to Western countries, which is one of the reasons why there has been an uptick in terrorist activity in Europe since the Syrian Civil War started. Yes, completely unlike the long-term price for letting the Saudis go completely unchecked, funnelling vast amounts of money and weapons into the terrorist networks you've already said cost the US millions to combat. I mean, I appreciate the lame attempt to blame Obama for everything - it's obligatory after all - but your nation's stance towards SA is clearly the main problem here. Blaming Obama for a standard US foreign policy procedure is hypocritical in the extreme. Arming insurgent groups to do your dirty work is old as the hills. See: Taliban. Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 01:46 Plansix wrote:
Legislation that will be dead in the water. But it’s nice Graham has shown his true colors as a racist old man acting like a moderate. This and Trumps efforts to strip citizenship from Americans born near the border is white nationalism finally taking over the main stream Republican party. At least they have the courage of their racist convictions. And likewise XDaunt. His glee at this says a lot.
xDaunt would have 100% been a gleeful nazi supporter not just in 1933, but in 1942 or so.
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On October 31 2018 02:45 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 02:39 NewSunshine wrote:On October 31 2018 01:42 xDaunt wrote:Look at this! Lindsey Grahamnesty of all people wants to introduce a bill to end birthright citizenship: Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Tuesday said that he will introduce legislation to end birthright citizenship after President Trump suggested he wanted to do so through an executive order.
"Finally, a president willing to take on this absurd policy of birthright citizenship. I’ve always supported comprehensive immigration reform — and at the same time — the elimination of birthright citizenship," Graham said in a string of tweets.
He added that he plans "to introduce legislation along the same lines as the proposed executive order" from Trump. Congress is out of session until Nov. 13. Source. Graham has been a brand new man ever since McCain died. It's like a curse was lifted. Or the veil, showing his - and your - true colors. I know that this is going to be very challenging for you to accept and reconcile with your screwed up world view, but I make for a very poor example of a white supremacist given my ancestry and choice of spouse (and resulting children).
Ok, Strom Thurmond, you just keep telling yourself that.
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On October 31 2018 02:54 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 01:53 iamthedave wrote:On October 31 2018 01:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2018 01:00 iamthedave wrote:On October 31 2018 00:44 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 19:21 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 11:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 11:36 Plansix wrote:
Thousands? Citation needed. Well, start with 3,000 or so killed on 9/11, and then add roughly another 125-130 from other incidents. Hell, 50 people died in the Orlando night club shooting alone. Oh, so it’s no longer since 9/11. Now it’s including 9/11 and then includes anything else that people labeled Terrorism, rather than “lone wolves”. I was wondering how we were going to get to thousands when it is around 200 people since 9/11. I had to include 9/11 because GH's figures for white supremacist homicides start in 2000. Fair is fair. Even if you throw out 9/11, there are still more Muslim-terrorism-related homicides than white supremacist homicides in the US. Toss in sophisticated global networks, reach, and financing, all of the failed attempted schemes, and the sheer amount of resources that US defense and intelligence agencies are throwing at Muslim terrorism, and there simply is no denying that Muslim terrorism is the much bigger threat. Like I said, it's not even close. Yet y'all simply must focus on evil whitey. What do we call that kind of irrational racial animus? Oh, that's right: RACISM. I appreciate your strong stance on this matter. You are therefore strongly in favour of immediate sanctions on Saudi Arabia, given that they are among the biggest single supporters of muslim terrorism in the middle east? You are also very strongly against selling guns to them given that many of those firearms will end up in the hands of said terrorists? Don't be so puerile in your analysis. Immediate sanctions of Saudi Arabia are unrealistic for a variety of reasons, including 1) the disruption it would cause to oil markets, 2) the role the Saudi government is playing in combating Muslim extremism (yes, this is complicated and problematic), and 3) the check that the Saudis provide on Iran in the Middle East. Though I am no fan of the Saudis, we can't just dump them overboard. It will take decades to unwind our relationship with them. And yes, I'm generally fine with selling weapons to the Saudi government. What I was less enthusiastic about, however, was Obama's policy of arming ISIS in Syria for the sole purpose of destabilizing Syria. Though I generally liked the idea of having all of the terrorists and assholes fighting it out over there, there is going to be a long term price paid for arming, training, and encouraging radical Muslim rebel forces in Syria. Many of those radicalized rebels are going home to Western countries, which is one of the reasons why there has been an uptick in terrorist activity in Europe since the Syrian Civil War started. Yes, completely unlike the long-term price for letting the Saudis go completely unchecked, funnelling vast amounts of money and weapons into the terrorist networks you've already said cost the US millions to combat. I mean, I appreciate the lame attempt to blame Obama for everything - it's obligatory after all - but your nation's stance towards SA is clearly the main problem here. Blaming Obama for a standard US foreign policy procedure is hypocritical in the extreme. Arming insurgent groups to do your dirty work is old as the hills. See: Taliban. On October 31 2018 01:46 Plansix wrote:
Legislation that will be dead in the water. But it’s nice Graham has shown his true colors as a racist old man acting like a moderate. This and Trumps efforts to strip citizenship from Americans born near the border is white nationalism finally taking over the main stream Republican party. At least they have the courage of their racist convictions. And likewise XDaunt. His glee at this says a lot. xDaunt would have 100% been a gleeful nazi supporter not just in 1933, but in 1942 or so.
It takes some seriously willful stupidity to conclude that considering my (often outspoken) support for the Constitution, the rule of law, and civil liberties. But hey, I get that many of you aren't capable of understanding this.
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On October 31 2018 02:57 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 02:54 Grumbels wrote:On October 31 2018 01:53 iamthedave wrote:On October 31 2018 01:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2018 01:00 iamthedave wrote:On October 31 2018 00:44 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 19:21 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 11:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 11:36 Plansix wrote:
Thousands? Citation needed. Well, start with 3,000 or so killed on 9/11, and then add roughly another 125-130 from other incidents. Hell, 50 people died in the Orlando night club shooting alone. Oh, so it’s no longer since 9/11. Now it’s including 9/11 and then includes anything else that people labeled Terrorism, rather than “lone wolves”. I was wondering how we were going to get to thousands when it is around 200 people since 9/11. I had to include 9/11 because GH's figures for white supremacist homicides start in 2000. Fair is fair. Even if you throw out 9/11, there are still more Muslim-terrorism-related homicides than white supremacist homicides in the US. Toss in sophisticated global networks, reach, and financing, all of the failed attempted schemes, and the sheer amount of resources that US defense and intelligence agencies are throwing at Muslim terrorism, and there simply is no denying that Muslim terrorism is the much bigger threat. Like I said, it's not even close. Yet y'all simply must focus on evil whitey. What do we call that kind of irrational racial animus? Oh, that's right: RACISM. I appreciate your strong stance on this matter. You are therefore strongly in favour of immediate sanctions on Saudi Arabia, given that they are among the biggest single supporters of muslim terrorism in the middle east? You are also very strongly against selling guns to them given that many of those firearms will end up in the hands of said terrorists? Don't be so puerile in your analysis. Immediate sanctions of Saudi Arabia are unrealistic for a variety of reasons, including 1) the disruption it would cause to oil markets, 2) the role the Saudi government is playing in combating Muslim extremism (yes, this is complicated and problematic), and 3) the check that the Saudis provide on Iran in the Middle East. Though I am no fan of the Saudis, we can't just dump them overboard. It will take decades to unwind our relationship with them. And yes, I'm generally fine with selling weapons to the Saudi government. What I was less enthusiastic about, however, was Obama's policy of arming ISIS in Syria for the sole purpose of destabilizing Syria. Though I generally liked the idea of having all of the terrorists and assholes fighting it out over there, there is going to be a long term price paid for arming, training, and encouraging radical Muslim rebel forces in Syria. Many of those radicalized rebels are going home to Western countries, which is one of the reasons why there has been an uptick in terrorist activity in Europe since the Syrian Civil War started. Yes, completely unlike the long-term price for letting the Saudis go completely unchecked, funnelling vast amounts of money and weapons into the terrorist networks you've already said cost the US millions to combat. I mean, I appreciate the lame attempt to blame Obama for everything - it's obligatory after all - but your nation's stance towards SA is clearly the main problem here. Blaming Obama for a standard US foreign policy procedure is hypocritical in the extreme. Arming insurgent groups to do your dirty work is old as the hills. See: Taliban. On October 31 2018 01:46 Plansix wrote:
Legislation that will be dead in the water. But it’s nice Graham has shown his true colors as a racist old man acting like a moderate. This and Trumps efforts to strip citizenship from Americans born near the border is white nationalism finally taking over the main stream Republican party. At least they have the courage of their racist convictions. And likewise XDaunt. His glee at this says a lot. xDaunt would have 100% been a gleeful nazi supporter not just in 1933, but in 1942 or so. It takes some seriously willful stupidity to conclude that considering my (often outspoken) support for the Constitution, the rule of law, and civil liberties. But hey, I get that many of you aren't capable of understanding this.
So you support the immediate passage of an updated voters rights act and Election Day being a federal holiday?
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On October 31 2018 02:59 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 02:57 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2018 02:54 Grumbels wrote:On October 31 2018 01:53 iamthedave wrote:On October 31 2018 01:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2018 01:00 iamthedave wrote:On October 31 2018 00:44 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 19:21 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 11:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 11:36 Plansix wrote:
Thousands? Citation needed. Well, start with 3,000 or so killed on 9/11, and then add roughly another 125-130 from other incidents. Hell, 50 people died in the Orlando night club shooting alone. Oh, so it’s no longer since 9/11. Now it’s including 9/11 and then includes anything else that people labeled Terrorism, rather than “lone wolves”. I was wondering how we were going to get to thousands when it is around 200 people since 9/11. I had to include 9/11 because GH's figures for white supremacist homicides start in 2000. Fair is fair. Even if you throw out 9/11, there are still more Muslim-terrorism-related homicides than white supremacist homicides in the US. Toss in sophisticated global networks, reach, and financing, all of the failed attempted schemes, and the sheer amount of resources that US defense and intelligence agencies are throwing at Muslim terrorism, and there simply is no denying that Muslim terrorism is the much bigger threat. Like I said, it's not even close. Yet y'all simply must focus on evil whitey. What do we call that kind of irrational racial animus? Oh, that's right: RACISM. I appreciate your strong stance on this matter. You are therefore strongly in favour of immediate sanctions on Saudi Arabia, given that they are among the biggest single supporters of muslim terrorism in the middle east? You are also very strongly against selling guns to them given that many of those firearms will end up in the hands of said terrorists? Don't be so puerile in your analysis. Immediate sanctions of Saudi Arabia are unrealistic for a variety of reasons, including 1) the disruption it would cause to oil markets, 2) the role the Saudi government is playing in combating Muslim extremism (yes, this is complicated and problematic), and 3) the check that the Saudis provide on Iran in the Middle East. Though I am no fan of the Saudis, we can't just dump them overboard. It will take decades to unwind our relationship with them. And yes, I'm generally fine with selling weapons to the Saudi government. What I was less enthusiastic about, however, was Obama's policy of arming ISIS in Syria for the sole purpose of destabilizing Syria. Though I generally liked the idea of having all of the terrorists and assholes fighting it out over there, there is going to be a long term price paid for arming, training, and encouraging radical Muslim rebel forces in Syria. Many of those radicalized rebels are going home to Western countries, which is one of the reasons why there has been an uptick in terrorist activity in Europe since the Syrian Civil War started. Yes, completely unlike the long-term price for letting the Saudis go completely unchecked, funnelling vast amounts of money and weapons into the terrorist networks you've already said cost the US millions to combat. I mean, I appreciate the lame attempt to blame Obama for everything - it's obligatory after all - but your nation's stance towards SA is clearly the main problem here. Blaming Obama for a standard US foreign policy procedure is hypocritical in the extreme. Arming insurgent groups to do your dirty work is old as the hills. See: Taliban. On October 31 2018 01:46 Plansix wrote:
Legislation that will be dead in the water. But it’s nice Graham has shown his true colors as a racist old man acting like a moderate. This and Trumps efforts to strip citizenship from Americans born near the border is white nationalism finally taking over the main stream Republican party. At least they have the courage of their racist convictions. And likewise XDaunt. His glee at this says a lot. xDaunt would have 100% been a gleeful nazi supporter not just in 1933, but in 1942 or so. It takes some seriously willful stupidity to conclude that considering my (often outspoken) support for the Constitution, the rule of law, and civil liberties. But hey, I get that many of you aren't capable of understanding this. So you support the immediate passage of an updated voters rights act and Election Day being a federal holiday?
Depends upon what's in the VRA. As for Election Day being a federal holiday, I really don't care. Voting works just fine where I am. I see it as a state-level problem.
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On October 31 2018 02:57 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 02:54 Grumbels wrote:On October 31 2018 01:53 iamthedave wrote:On October 31 2018 01:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2018 01:00 iamthedave wrote:On October 31 2018 00:44 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 19:21 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 11:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 11:36 Plansix wrote:
Thousands? Citation needed. Well, start with 3,000 or so killed on 9/11, and then add roughly another 125-130 from other incidents. Hell, 50 people died in the Orlando night club shooting alone. Oh, so it’s no longer since 9/11. Now it’s including 9/11 and then includes anything else that people labeled Terrorism, rather than “lone wolves”. I was wondering how we were going to get to thousands when it is around 200 people since 9/11. I had to include 9/11 because GH's figures for white supremacist homicides start in 2000. Fair is fair. Even if you throw out 9/11, there are still more Muslim-terrorism-related homicides than white supremacist homicides in the US. Toss in sophisticated global networks, reach, and financing, all of the failed attempted schemes, and the sheer amount of resources that US defense and intelligence agencies are throwing at Muslim terrorism, and there simply is no denying that Muslim terrorism is the much bigger threat. Like I said, it's not even close. Yet y'all simply must focus on evil whitey. What do we call that kind of irrational racial animus? Oh, that's right: RACISM. I appreciate your strong stance on this matter. You are therefore strongly in favour of immediate sanctions on Saudi Arabia, given that they are among the biggest single supporters of muslim terrorism in the middle east? You are also very strongly against selling guns to them given that many of those firearms will end up in the hands of said terrorists? Don't be so puerile in your analysis. Immediate sanctions of Saudi Arabia are unrealistic for a variety of reasons, including 1) the disruption it would cause to oil markets, 2) the role the Saudi government is playing in combating Muslim extremism (yes, this is complicated and problematic), and 3) the check that the Saudis provide on Iran in the Middle East. Though I am no fan of the Saudis, we can't just dump them overboard. It will take decades to unwind our relationship with them. And yes, I'm generally fine with selling weapons to the Saudi government. What I was less enthusiastic about, however, was Obama's policy of arming ISIS in Syria for the sole purpose of destabilizing Syria. Though I generally liked the idea of having all of the terrorists and assholes fighting it out over there, there is going to be a long term price paid for arming, training, and encouraging radical Muslim rebel forces in Syria. Many of those radicalized rebels are going home to Western countries, which is one of the reasons why there has been an uptick in terrorist activity in Europe since the Syrian Civil War started. Yes, completely unlike the long-term price for letting the Saudis go completely unchecked, funnelling vast amounts of money and weapons into the terrorist networks you've already said cost the US millions to combat. I mean, I appreciate the lame attempt to blame Obama for everything - it's obligatory after all - but your nation's stance towards SA is clearly the main problem here. Blaming Obama for a standard US foreign policy procedure is hypocritical in the extreme. Arming insurgent groups to do your dirty work is old as the hills. See: Taliban. On October 31 2018 01:46 Plansix wrote:
Legislation that will be dead in the water. But it’s nice Graham has shown his true colors as a racist old man acting like a moderate. This and Trumps efforts to strip citizenship from Americans born near the border is white nationalism finally taking over the main stream Republican party. At least they have the courage of their racist convictions. And likewise XDaunt. His glee at this says a lot. xDaunt would have 100% been a gleeful nazi supporter not just in 1933, but in 1942 or so. It takes some seriously willful stupidity to conclude that considering my (often outspoken) support for the Constitution, the rule of law, and civil liberties. But hey, I get that many of you aren't capable of understanding this.
Your backward-bending support of Trump and his criminal friends makes it really hard to reconcile with your alleged love for the rule of law and civil liberties.
But hey, I get how much you love calling everyone idiots, so you do you.
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On October 31 2018 03:05 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 02:57 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2018 02:54 Grumbels wrote:On October 31 2018 01:53 iamthedave wrote:On October 31 2018 01:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2018 01:00 iamthedave wrote:On October 31 2018 00:44 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 19:21 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 11:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 11:36 Plansix wrote:
Thousands? Citation needed. Well, start with 3,000 or so killed on 9/11, and then add roughly another 125-130 from other incidents. Hell, 50 people died in the Orlando night club shooting alone. Oh, so it’s no longer since 9/11. Now it’s including 9/11 and then includes anything else that people labeled Terrorism, rather than “lone wolves”. I was wondering how we were going to get to thousands when it is around 200 people since 9/11. I had to include 9/11 because GH's figures for white supremacist homicides start in 2000. Fair is fair. Even if you throw out 9/11, there are still more Muslim-terrorism-related homicides than white supremacist homicides in the US. Toss in sophisticated global networks, reach, and financing, all of the failed attempted schemes, and the sheer amount of resources that US defense and intelligence agencies are throwing at Muslim terrorism, and there simply is no denying that Muslim terrorism is the much bigger threat. Like I said, it's not even close. Yet y'all simply must focus on evil whitey. What do we call that kind of irrational racial animus? Oh, that's right: RACISM. I appreciate your strong stance on this matter. You are therefore strongly in favour of immediate sanctions on Saudi Arabia, given that they are among the biggest single supporters of muslim terrorism in the middle east? You are also very strongly against selling guns to them given that many of those firearms will end up in the hands of said terrorists? Don't be so puerile in your analysis. Immediate sanctions of Saudi Arabia are unrealistic for a variety of reasons, including 1) the disruption it would cause to oil markets, 2) the role the Saudi government is playing in combating Muslim extremism (yes, this is complicated and problematic), and 3) the check that the Saudis provide on Iran in the Middle East. Though I am no fan of the Saudis, we can't just dump them overboard. It will take decades to unwind our relationship with them. And yes, I'm generally fine with selling weapons to the Saudi government. What I was less enthusiastic about, however, was Obama's policy of arming ISIS in Syria for the sole purpose of destabilizing Syria. Though I generally liked the idea of having all of the terrorists and assholes fighting it out over there, there is going to be a long term price paid for arming, training, and encouraging radical Muslim rebel forces in Syria. Many of those radicalized rebels are going home to Western countries, which is one of the reasons why there has been an uptick in terrorist activity in Europe since the Syrian Civil War started. Yes, completely unlike the long-term price for letting the Saudis go completely unchecked, funnelling vast amounts of money and weapons into the terrorist networks you've already said cost the US millions to combat. I mean, I appreciate the lame attempt to blame Obama for everything - it's obligatory after all - but your nation's stance towards SA is clearly the main problem here. Blaming Obama for a standard US foreign policy procedure is hypocritical in the extreme. Arming insurgent groups to do your dirty work is old as the hills. See: Taliban. On October 31 2018 01:46 Plansix wrote:
Legislation that will be dead in the water. But it’s nice Graham has shown his true colors as a racist old man acting like a moderate. This and Trumps efforts to strip citizenship from Americans born near the border is white nationalism finally taking over the main stream Republican party. At least they have the courage of their racist convictions. And likewise XDaunt. His glee at this says a lot. xDaunt would have 100% been a gleeful nazi supporter not just in 1933, but in 1942 or so. It takes some seriously willful stupidity to conclude that considering my (often outspoken) support for the Constitution, the rule of law, and civil liberties. But hey, I get that many of you aren't capable of understanding this. Your backward-bending support of Trump and his criminal friends makes it really hard to reconcile with your alleged love for the rule of law and civil liberties. But hey, I get how much you love calling everyone idiots, so you do you.
Well, if you apply a proper definition of "criminal," it becomes quite clear that my defense of Trump and (to the extent that I have done so) his "friends" is entirely consistent with my outlook on the rule of law and civil liberties. My defense of Kavanaugh is a particularly good example of this where those who opposed Kavanaugh demonstrated a shocking disregard for the rule of law and civil liberties.
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