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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 06 2019 18:26 GMT
#3401
On February 07 2019 02:37 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2019 12:46 xDaunt wrote:
On February 06 2019 12:38 IgnE wrote:
If you were in the audience while Mao was giving a speech would you applaud at his wins?

I’m not sure that I want to be known as the party of sex trafficking.


On the other hand they had no problem dancing and cheering themselves. Shows what they really care about lol.

Yeah, I think they are going to regret that moment. They also are going to regret Trump dunking on them with the abortion and socialism issues,
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-06 19:27:37
February 06 2019 19:25 GMT
#3402
On February 07 2019 02:37 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2019 12:46 xDaunt wrote:
On February 06 2019 12:38 IgnE wrote:
If you were in the audience while Mao was giving a speech would you applaud at his wins?

I’m not sure that I want to be known as the party of sex trafficking.


On the other hand they had no problem dancing and cheering themselves. Shows what they really care about lol.

this is hilarious in that it’s completely irrelevant to either of the posts in the chain, which are also seemingly tenuously related at best. in doing so, it’s essentially a self five. a little mental masturbation.

which is also exactly what you’re critiquing in your post, the women’s own self fives. except for the women you critique, it’s getting more women in politics. for you, it’s just shitting on political opponents. like you said, it shows what they really care about lol. couldn’t have said it better myself.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
February 06 2019 19:34 GMT
#3403
On February 07 2019 04:25 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2019 02:37 GoTuNk! wrote:
On February 06 2019 12:46 xDaunt wrote:
On February 06 2019 12:38 IgnE wrote:
If you were in the audience while Mao was giving a speech would you applaud at his wins?

I’m not sure that I want to be known as the party of sex trafficking.


On the other hand they had no problem dancing and cheering themselves. Shows what they really care about lol.

this is hilarious in that it’s completely irrelevant to either of the posts in the chain, which are also seemingly tenuously related at best. in doing so, it’s essentially a self five. a little mental masturbation.

which is also exactly what you’re critiquing in your post, the women’s own self fives. except for the women you critique, it’s getting more women in politics. for you, it’s just shitting on political opponents. like you said, it shows what they really care about lol. couldn’t have said it better myself.


I will explain it so maybe you can grasp it, and realize all your reasoning was wrong.

Poster 1 said they were ok not to clap low african american unemployment or stopping sex traficking, by making an analogy that Trump was akin to Mao (lol) so you would not clap to anything Trump says, and that would be ok.

If that was the case, being coherent they would have stayed silent on everything, but they just couldn't hold themselves from self back patting. The optics of this was terrible for them.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-06 20:01:04
February 06 2019 19:38 GMT
#3404
on second thought i won’t be continuing this line of posts. feels good enough where it is.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-06 20:08:28
February 06 2019 20:04 GMT
#3405
On February 07 2019 04:34 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2019 04:25 brian wrote:
On February 07 2019 02:37 GoTuNk! wrote:
On February 06 2019 12:46 xDaunt wrote:
On February 06 2019 12:38 IgnE wrote:
If you were in the audience while Mao was giving a speech would you applaud at his wins?

I’m not sure that I want to be known as the party of sex trafficking.


On the other hand they had no problem dancing and cheering themselves. Shows what they really care about lol.

this is hilarious in that it’s completely irrelevant to either of the posts in the chain, which are also seemingly tenuously related at best. in doing so, it’s essentially a self five. a little mental masturbation.

which is also exactly what you’re critiquing in your post, the women’s own self fives. except for the women you critique, it’s getting more women in politics. for you, it’s just shitting on political opponents. like you said, it shows what they really care about lol. couldn’t have said it better myself.


I will explain it so maybe you can grasp it, and realize all your reasoning was wrong.

Poster 1 said they were ok not to clap low african american unemployment or stopping sex traficking, by making an analogy that Trump was akin to Mao (lol) so you would not clap to anything Trump says, and that would be ok.

If that was the case, being coherent they would have stayed silent on everything, but they just couldn't hold themselves from self back patting. The optics of this was terrible for them.


Do you and xDaunt think Republicans also didn't support all the things they didn't clap for during the Obama administration?

Or is this typical partisan optics devoid of substance?

On February 07 2019 03:26 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2019 02:37 GoTuNk! wrote:
On February 06 2019 12:46 xDaunt wrote:
On February 06 2019 12:38 IgnE wrote:
If you were in the audience while Mao was giving a speech would you applaud at his wins?

I’m not sure that I want to be known as the party of sex trafficking.


On the other hand they had no problem dancing and cheering themselves. Shows what they really care about lol.

Yeah, I think they are going to regret that moment. They also are going to regret Trump dunking on them with the abortion and socialism issues,


Democrats might but it was actually taken as a challenge by socialists, I suspect Trump and Republicans will regret basically telling teenage America "You better not become socialists you little whipper snappers", because we know how well telling youth what they won't do works.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 06 2019 20:21 GMT
#3406
Openly supporting socialism is going to be a very tough road to hoe as long as Venezuela is imploding on the global stage. And that's before we start getting into the CBO cost estimates for some of the socialist policies that Bernie and AOC want to push.

As for AOC specifically, it's only a matter of time before she gets exposed as a fraud and policy lightweight. Democrats are going to have to primary her in 2020.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
February 06 2019 20:39 GMT
#3407
On February 07 2019 05:21 xDaunt wrote:
Openly supporting socialism is going to be a very tough road to hoe as long as Venezuela is imploding on the global stage. And that's before we start getting into the CBO cost estimates for some of the socialist policies that Bernie and AOC want to push.

As for AOC specifically, it's only a matter of time before she gets exposed as a fraud and policy lightweight. Democrats are going to have to primary her in 2020.


Venezuela's problems go far beyond socialism. Ironically all the people complaining about Maduro seem to not notice even the most inflated estimates for what he's stealing are comparable to the profits oil execs (as well as other industries) take from their workers.

As for AOC lol. I can't imagine the mental gymnastics it takes to lament AOC's alleged lack of knowledge when you're supporting Trump who probably couldn't find half the countries he's bombing on an unlabeled map.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 06 2019 21:10 GMT
#3408
On February 07 2019 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2019 05:21 xDaunt wrote:
Openly supporting socialism is going to be a very tough road to hoe as long as Venezuela is imploding on the global stage. And that's before we start getting into the CBO cost estimates for some of the socialist policies that Bernie and AOC want to push.

As for AOC specifically, it's only a matter of time before she gets exposed as a fraud and policy lightweight. Democrats are going to have to primary her in 2020.


Venezuela's problems go far beyond socialism. Ironically all the people complaining about Maduro seem to not notice even the most inflated estimates for what he's stealing are comparable to the profits oil execs (as well as other industries) take from their workers.

As for AOC lol. I can't imagine the mental gymnastics it takes to lament AOC's alleged lack of knowledge when you're supporting Trump who probably couldn't find half the countries he's bombing on an unlabeled map.

Supporting Trump's policies is pretty easy because the policies work (just as was expected).
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-06 21:13:14
February 06 2019 21:12 GMT
#3409
On February 07 2019 06:10 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2019 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 07 2019 05:21 xDaunt wrote:
Openly supporting socialism is going to be a very tough road to hoe as long as Venezuela is imploding on the global stage. And that's before we start getting into the CBO cost estimates for some of the socialist policies that Bernie and AOC want to push.

As for AOC specifically, it's only a matter of time before she gets exposed as a fraud and policy lightweight. Democrats are going to have to primary her in 2020.


Venezuela's problems go far beyond socialism. Ironically all the people complaining about Maduro seem to not notice even the most inflated estimates for what he's stealing are comparable to the profits oil execs (as well as other industries) take from their workers.

As for AOC lol. I can't imagine the mental gymnastics it takes to lament AOC's alleged lack of knowledge when you're supporting Trump who probably couldn't find half the countries he's bombing on an unlabeled map.

Supporting Trump's policies is pretty easy because the policies work (just as was expected).


So it doesn't matter if she's a "fraud and policy lightweight" really anyway. All that matters is that she supports policy that people want (since we'll disagree on whether they "work"), even by your own metric.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-06 21:18:21
February 06 2019 21:16 GMT
#3410
On February 07 2019 06:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2019 06:10 xDaunt wrote:
On February 07 2019 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 07 2019 05:21 xDaunt wrote:
Openly supporting socialism is going to be a very tough road to hoe as long as Venezuela is imploding on the global stage. And that's before we start getting into the CBO cost estimates for some of the socialist policies that Bernie and AOC want to push.

As for AOC specifically, it's only a matter of time before she gets exposed as a fraud and policy lightweight. Democrats are going to have to primary her in 2020.


Venezuela's problems go far beyond socialism. Ironically all the people complaining about Maduro seem to not notice even the most inflated estimates for what he's stealing are comparable to the profits oil execs (as well as other industries) take from their workers.

As for AOC lol. I can't imagine the mental gymnastics it takes to lament AOC's alleged lack of knowledge when you're supporting Trump who probably couldn't find half the countries he's bombing on an unlabeled map.

Supporting Trump's policies is pretty easy because the policies work (just as was expected).


So it doesn't matter if she's a "fraud and policy lightweight" really anyway. All that matters is that she supports policy that people want (since we'll disagree on whether they "work"), even by your own metric.

No, my point is that Trump is not a fraud and a policy lightweight because his policies have been a success. You can go down the list of all sorts of things that he campaigned on and delivered in the first two years, and not only have those policies worked, but he has made his political opponents on those issues look like fools. No where is there more readily apparent than on his economic policies. Remember when Obama made the "magic wand" quip during the campaign? Well, it turns out that Trump has one.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-06 21:43:22
February 06 2019 21:25 GMT
#3411
On February 07 2019 06:16 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2019 06:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 07 2019 06:10 xDaunt wrote:
On February 07 2019 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 07 2019 05:21 xDaunt wrote:
Openly supporting socialism is going to be a very tough road to hoe as long as Venezuela is imploding on the global stage. And that's before we start getting into the CBO cost estimates for some of the socialist policies that Bernie and AOC want to push.

As for AOC specifically, it's only a matter of time before she gets exposed as a fraud and policy lightweight. Democrats are going to have to primary her in 2020.


Venezuela's problems go far beyond socialism. Ironically all the people complaining about Maduro seem to not notice even the most inflated estimates for what he's stealing are comparable to the profits oil execs (as well as other industries) take from their workers.

As for AOC lol. I can't imagine the mental gymnastics it takes to lament AOC's alleged lack of knowledge when you're supporting Trump who probably couldn't find half the countries he's bombing on an unlabeled map.

Supporting Trump's policies is pretty easy because the policies work (just as was expected).


So it doesn't matter if she's a "fraud and policy lightweight" really anyway. All that matters is that she supports policy that people want (since we'll disagree on whether they "work"), even by your own metric.

No, my point is that Trump is not a fraud and a policy lightweight because his policies have been a success. You can go down the list of all sorts of things that he campaigned on and delivered in the first two years, and not only have those policies worked, but he has made his political opponents on those issues look like fools. No where is there more readily apparent than on his economic policies. Remember when Obama made the "magic wand" quip during the campaign? Well, it turns out that Trump has one.


You are seriously arguing Trump isn't a fraud? He ran a fraud university (I mean he's got a long list) lol. Are you also under the impression that Trump is the one creating the policy he's pushing? Or by policy do you just mean the disjointed stream of consciousness on the campaign trail/ in office?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-06 21:46:05
February 06 2019 21:45 GMT
#3412
Trump is a fraud.

I don’t like AOC’s comment “this is what being a woman in politics is like”

Her point might not apply to pharma as well as she thinks, but there’s plenty of public science funding that ends up catalyzing private intellectual property owned by private companies (sometimes even the professors using public funds to research end up piggybacking on it with their private startups)

The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-06 21:58:41
February 06 2019 21:53 GMT
#3413
On February 07 2019 06:16 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2019 06:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 07 2019 06:10 xDaunt wrote:
On February 07 2019 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 07 2019 05:21 xDaunt wrote:
Openly supporting socialism is going to be a very tough road to hoe as long as Venezuela is imploding on the global stage. And that's before we start getting into the CBO cost estimates for some of the socialist policies that Bernie and AOC want to push.

As for AOC specifically, it's only a matter of time before she gets exposed as a fraud and policy lightweight. Democrats are going to have to primary her in 2020.


Venezuela's problems go far beyond socialism. Ironically all the people complaining about Maduro seem to not notice even the most inflated estimates for what he's stealing are comparable to the profits oil execs (as well as other industries) take from their workers.

As for AOC lol. I can't imagine the mental gymnastics it takes to lament AOC's alleged lack of knowledge when you're supporting Trump who probably couldn't find half the countries he's bombing on an unlabeled map.

Supporting Trump's policies is pretty easy because the policies work (just as was expected).


So it doesn't matter if she's a "fraud and policy lightweight" really anyway. All that matters is that she supports policy that people want (since we'll disagree on whether they "work"), even by your own metric.

No, my point is that Trump is not a fraud and a policy lightweight because his policies have been a success. You can go down the list of all sorts of things that he campaigned on and delivered in the first two years, and not only have those policies worked, but he has made his political opponents on those issues look like fools. No where is there more readily apparent than on his economic policies. Remember when Obama made the "magic wand" quip during the campaign? Well, it turns out that Trump has one.


What has been a success exactly... The jobs ( https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/ces0000000001?output_view=net_1mth ) and finance ( https://www.macrotrends.net/assets/images/large/dow-jones-100-year-historical-chart.png ), or growth ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/188185/percent-chance-from-preceding-period-in-real-gdp-in-the-us/ ) are still running high from the post-crisis bounce back, levels are not even higher than they were during Obama. It takes a while for things to break or improve. Wages are starting to increase a little, but not too much. What other metrics do you want to have a look at ? Judges ? Rolled back regulations ? That's not exactly "policy".
The debt and deficit, though, took a deeeep dive. That, yes.

I refer you to my previous post (the long one that went unanswered). In any case, we can see if policies are working only after several years, not in the middle of a 4-year presidency.


Useful policy would be "his" (I should say "the", cause he won't be the one to work on it ) infrastructure plan, which everybody is still waiting for... "It's coming guys, it's coming... !" When ? That would really be bipartisan, but he doesn't look interested. Lowering drug prices, as well. Empty talk mostly for now.
He's not interested in working with the democrats, as he wants to show that they are obstructing. So he is NOT going to give them cookies, and they are going to be stalled for the next 2 years.
NoiR
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
February 06 2019 22:11 GMT
#3414
On February 07 2019 06:16 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2019 06:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 07 2019 06:10 xDaunt wrote:
On February 07 2019 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 07 2019 05:21 xDaunt wrote:
Openly supporting socialism is going to be a very tough road to hoe as long as Venezuela is imploding on the global stage. And that's before we start getting into the CBO cost estimates for some of the socialist policies that Bernie and AOC want to push.

As for AOC specifically, it's only a matter of time before she gets exposed as a fraud and policy lightweight. Democrats are going to have to primary her in 2020.


Venezuela's problems go far beyond socialism. Ironically all the people complaining about Maduro seem to not notice even the most inflated estimates for what he's stealing are comparable to the profits oil execs (as well as other industries) take from their workers.

As for AOC lol. I can't imagine the mental gymnastics it takes to lament AOC's alleged lack of knowledge when you're supporting Trump who probably couldn't find half the countries he's bombing on an unlabeled map.

Supporting Trump's policies is pretty easy because the policies work (just as was expected).


So it doesn't matter if she's a "fraud and policy lightweight" really anyway. All that matters is that she supports policy that people want (since we'll disagree on whether they "work"), even by your own metric.

No, my point is that Trump is not a fraud and a policy lightweight because his policies have been a success. You can go down the list of all sorts of things that he campaigned on and delivered in the first two years, and not only have those policies worked, but he has made his political opponents on those issues look like fools. No where is there more readily apparent than on his economic policies. Remember when Obama made the "magic wand" quip during the campaign? Well, it turns out that Trump has one.


I think this is the point where you provide some content to back up your claim. List the policies that have been a success, please, so I can see what the other side thinks about them.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
February 07 2019 00:52 GMT
#3415
On February 07 2019 05:21 xDaunt wrote:
Openly supporting socialism is going to be a very tough road to hoe as long as Venezuela is imploding on the global stage. And that's before we start getting into the CBO cost estimates for some of the socialist policies that Bernie and AOC want to push.

As for AOC specifically, it's only a matter of time before she gets exposed as a fraud and policy lightweight. Democrats are going to have to primary her in 2020.

Speaking as a big fan of Derek Lowe, if your takeaway from his exchange with AOC was “AOC is a policy lightweight,” I don’t think you understood their exchange very well.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-07 01:06:50
February 07 2019 01:04 GMT
#3416
On February 07 2019 06:45 IgnE wrote:
Trump is a fraud.

I don’t like AOC’s comment “this is what being a woman in politics is like”

Her point might not apply to pharma as well as she thinks, but there’s plenty of public science funding that ends up catalyzing private intellectual property owned by private companies (sometimes even the professors using public funds to research end up piggybacking on it with their private startups)


Fraud was the first thing that came to my mind when you referred to the serious intellectual foundations laid by Judith Butler.

+ Show Spoiler [unrelated] +



It's like social issues are the new Orwellian back door for policing speech. These last five years have made me much more pessimistic on whether society recovers from present lefty manias.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
February 07 2019 01:35 GMT
#3417
On February 07 2019 10:04 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2019 06:45 IgnE wrote:
Trump is a fraud.

I don’t like AOC’s comment “this is what being a woman in politics is like”

Her point might not apply to pharma as well as she thinks, but there’s plenty of public science funding that ends up catalyzing private intellectual property owned by private companies (sometimes even the professors using public funds to research end up piggybacking on it with their private startups)


Fraud was the first thing that came to my mind when you referred to the serious intellectual foundations laid by Judith Butler.

+ Show Spoiler [unrelated] +

https://twitter.com/WokeCapital/status/1093284405584392192

It's like social issues are the new Orwellian back door for policing speech. These last five years have made me much more pessimistic on whether society recovers from present lefty manias.


You know Zuckerburg is on yours and xDaunt's side on this right?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37114 Posts
February 07 2019 02:05 GMT
#3418
The TL moderation team has made a decision that we will no longer allow politically related blogs. All threads related to politics will be allowed in General only. We ask you all for your understanding in this matter. Thank you.
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