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On October 30 2018 04:37 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 03:56 xDaunt wrote:
Of course she's being attacked personally. As is the Trump administration. The media is going out of its way to juxtapose Trump with Nazis, yet they wonder why he calls them "the enemy of the people." If he'd stop using the language of nazis and fascists people might not make the comparisons. Just a suggestion.
The problem is that a bunch of you have decided that he is using the language of Nazis rather than just taking what he says at face value. You think everything Trump says is a dog whistle, which is a categorically stupid misunderstanding and misconstruction of the man. You need look no further than your feeble attempts to pin anti-Semitism on Trump as evidence of how bankrupt this line of thinking is.
Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 04:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 04:06 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 03:56 xDaunt wrote:
Of course she's being attacked personally. As is the Trump administration. The media is going out of its way to juxtapose Trump with Nazis, yet they wonder why he calls them "the enemy of the people." 9 people were gunned down in an anti-Semitic shooting, but the White House is the victim. Bombs were sent to CNN, but it’s the press’s fault because they are unfair. FYI: That is the job. The press isn’t in the business of praising government. The president has always be the punching bag of the nation when things go wrong. It isn’t a job for the thin skinned. Trump wants to be praised, which isn’t a thing that happens in his current job. It’s why he loves dictators so much. In Trump’s own words, he attacks them to discredit them so no one will believe them. It is weird the news reporters instantly fold to a tactic as old as their entire profession. The point is that the White House has nothing to do with the shooting up of a synagogue. Trump is not instigating anti-semitism. Hell, he's the most pro-Jewish president that we've ever had. Yet here is the press needlessly and quite unfairly painting a narrative that Trump is somehow responsible for the actions of a crazed Nazi shooter who already said that he doesn't support Trump because he thinks that Trump is a "globalist." A fair and responsible media would simply leave Trump out of this. But no, they are so in-the-tank, anti-Trump that they can't help themselves but to try and twist every bad thing that happens in this country into being Trump's fault. The press is deserving of every ounce of scorn that the President heaps on it, just as the press is deserving of its cratering credibility in the eyes of the American people. Do you not care about how often he lies? Is truth literally irrelevant to you now? Because a big part of why the press are all over him is his constant lying.
Lying about what? In his own way, Trump is quite direct and honest in a way that politicians aren't in that he communicates precisely what he intends to do. I find it quite refreshing. In terms of pure representations of facts, I don't find that Trump deviates much from the norm among politicians. And quite a bit of what the press accuses Trump of lying about ends up being true, so I'm not particularly interested in what the press thinks. Like I said, they aren't interested in giving Trump a fair shake, and they routinely make shit up about him. There's a reason why #fakenews is a thing.
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Trump lies constantly, how can we take what he says at face value?
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On October 30 2018 06:45 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 05:51 GreenHorizons wrote:You guys catch that? I'm trying to make the point that an honest reflection of this from conservatives/Republicans has to recognize that Trump's leadership on dealing with an increasing terrorist threat has been deficient. That's why (imo) you saw them relish people making the argument that can (however crudely) be reduced to "this is Trump's fault eh? Typical libturd" or whatever. Because that's one where they can equivocate and make the argument about various equivocations instead of the one where they know their core values are challenged. The one where they have to confront the threats of Anti-Semetic/white supremacist terrorists are not only real and significant, but seem to be more frequent and the president isn't dealing with it with the the kind of seriousness and urgency they know they would expect for other terrorists from other presidents.
Or if they want to argue the threat of white supremacy isn't significant (they have in the past), or that Trump is responding to these terrorist attacks sufficiently they have to do it in the context of several terrorist attacks in the last week and no discernible (from my perspective) strategy, let alone a good one, to confront it from Trump. Not even from a strictly national security angle. Or they can change the subject to somewhere they think Trump looks strong. White supremacist/anti-Semitic terrorists are certainly a bigger threat than the caravan but you won't see a strong response to the growing terrorist movement in this country from such a weak president like Trump. Feel free to outline what you think Trump should be doing to stop lone wolf acts of violence. I'll go ahead and cut to the chase for you: there's nothing to be done unless you are prepared to advocate for massive restrictions on civil liberties. Acts like this weekend's synagogue shooting are criminal and should be treated as such. But until there's a criminal act, there's not much to be done. Sorry, but white supremacism isn't a big enough problem to warrant the type of thought policing that y'all seem to want.
It's this position of absolute and almost proud helplessness to address the increasing terror threat from white supremacists that demonstrates to me that both Trump and his Party are admitting they are incapable of dealing with the rising threat of white supremacist terrorists.
FBI and DHS are trash orgs but even they know white supremacist groups are the most dangerous domestic terrorists in the country.
The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security in May warned that white supremacist groups had already carried out more attacks than any other domestic extremist group over the past 16 years and were likely to carry out more attacks over the next year, according to an intelligence bulletin obtained by Foreign Policy.
The FBI, on the other hand, has already concluded that white supremacists, including neo-Nazi supporters and members of the Ku Klux Klan, are in fact responsible for the lion’s share of violent attacks among domestic extremist groups. White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin.
The report, titled “White Supremacist Extremism Poses Persistent Threat of Lethal Violence,” was prepared by the FBI and DHS.
The bulletin’s numbers appear to correspond with outside estimates. An independent database compiled by the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute found that between 2008 and 2016, far-right plots and attacks outnumbered Islamist incidents by almost 2 to 1.
The cases cited in the intelligence report include an 18-year-old Chinese student in Nashville, Indiana, who was attacked by a white supremacist with a hatchet; the murder of an African-American man in Fort Wayne, Indiana; and the stabbing of Klansman in East Yanceyville, North Carolina, by other KKK members, who believed the victim was Jewish and secretly working for law enforcement.
foreignpolicy.com
Meanwhile the GOP and Trump have been able to do nothing to curb this widespread and growing terrorist movement among white supremacists and apparently Republicans are just throwing up their hands on being able to prevent terrorism.
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I like how xDaunt is now preaching that the only correct way to understand what's going on in America right now is to throw away all historical context, and pretend everything's happening in a vacuum. The fact that actual Neo-Nazis feel embraced and empowered by Trump is a total coincidence.
That's exactly what racist dogwhistles want you to do: ignore context and take them at face value.
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On October 30 2018 06:52 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 04:37 iamthedave wrote:On October 30 2018 03:56 xDaunt wrote:
Of course she's being attacked personally. As is the Trump administration. The media is going out of its way to juxtapose Trump with Nazis, yet they wonder why he calls them "the enemy of the people." If he'd stop using the language of nazis and fascists people might not make the comparisons. Just a suggestion. The problem is that a bunch of you have decided that he is using the language of Nazis rather than just taking what he says at face value. You think everything Trump says is a dog whistle, which is a categorically stupid misunderstanding and misconstruction of the man. You need look no further than your feeble attempts to pin anti-Semitism on Trump as evidence of how bankrupt this line of thinking is. Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 04:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 04:06 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 03:56 xDaunt wrote:
Of course she's being attacked personally. As is the Trump administration. The media is going out of its way to juxtapose Trump with Nazis, yet they wonder why he calls them "the enemy of the people." 9 people were gunned down in an anti-Semitic shooting, but the White House is the victim. Bombs were sent to CNN, but it’s the press’s fault because they are unfair. FYI: That is the job. The press isn’t in the business of praising government. The president has always be the punching bag of the nation when things go wrong. It isn’t a job for the thin skinned. Trump wants to be praised, which isn’t a thing that happens in his current job. It’s why he loves dictators so much. In Trump’s own words, he attacks them to discredit them so no one will believe them. It is weird the news reporters instantly fold to a tactic as old as their entire profession. The point is that the White House has nothing to do with the shooting up of a synagogue. Trump is not instigating anti-semitism. Hell, he's the most pro-Jewish president that we've ever had. Yet here is the press needlessly and quite unfairly painting a narrative that Trump is somehow responsible for the actions of a crazed Nazi shooter who already said that he doesn't support Trump because he thinks that Trump is a "globalist." A fair and responsible media would simply leave Trump out of this. But no, they are so in-the-tank, anti-Trump that they can't help themselves but to try and twist every bad thing that happens in this country into being Trump's fault. The press is deserving of every ounce of scorn that the President heaps on it, just as the press is deserving of its cratering credibility in the eyes of the American people. Do you not care about how often he lies? Is truth literally irrelevant to you now? Because a big part of why the press are all over him is his constant lying. Lying about what? In his own way, Trump is quite direct and honest in a way that politicians aren't in that he communicates precisely what he intends to do. I find it quite refreshing. In terms of pure representations of facts, I don't find that Trump deviates much from the norm among politicians. And quite a bit of what the press accuses Trump of lying about ends up being true, so I'm not particularly interested in what the press thinks. Like I said, they aren't interested in giving Trump a fair shake, and they routinely make shit up about him. There's a reason why #fakenews is a thing.
I mean, this is low hanging fruit, so I'll just leave this here and let you refute these factual lies one by one.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html
I'm sure you'll find a way to avoid it though, since you've had the gall to claim he doesn't lie constantly when that is literally his most defining feature (that isn't his hair).
Oh yeah, and the Birther conspiracy. And that time he wanted 5 black people executed despite them being exonerated for a long time afterward. And all the times he's claimed people have said things they haven't. I'd be here until next week.
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On October 30 2018 07:08 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 05:51 GreenHorizons wrote:You guys catch that? I'm trying to make the point that an honest reflection of this from conservatives/Republicans has to recognize that Trump's leadership on dealing with an increasing terrorist threat has been deficient. That's why (imo) you saw them relish people making the argument that can (however crudely) be reduced to "this is Trump's fault eh? Typical libturd" or whatever. Because that's one where they can equivocate and make the argument about various equivocations instead of the one where they know their core values are challenged. The one where they have to confront the threats of Anti-Semetic/white supremacist terrorists are not only real and significant, but seem to be more frequent and the president isn't dealing with it with the the kind of seriousness and urgency they know they would expect for other terrorists from other presidents.
Or if they want to argue the threat of white supremacy isn't significant (they have in the past), or that Trump is responding to these terrorist attacks sufficiently they have to do it in the context of several terrorist attacks in the last week and no discernible (from my perspective) strategy, let alone a good one, to confront it from Trump. Not even from a strictly national security angle. Or they can change the subject to somewhere they think Trump looks strong. White supremacist/anti-Semitic terrorists are certainly a bigger threat than the caravan but you won't see a strong response to the growing terrorist movement in this country from such a weak president like Trump. Feel free to outline what you think Trump should be doing to stop lone wolf acts of violence. I'll go ahead and cut to the chase for you: there's nothing to be done unless you are prepared to advocate for massive restrictions on civil liberties. Acts like this weekend's synagogue shooting are criminal and should be treated as such. But until there's a criminal act, there's not much to be done. Sorry, but white supremacism isn't a big enough problem to warrant the type of thought policing that y'all seem to want. It's this position of absolute and almost proud helplessness to address the increasing terror threat from white supremacists that demonstrates to me that both Trump and his Party are admitting they are incapable of dealing with the rising threat of white supremacist terrorists. FBI and DHS are trash orgs but even they know white supremacist groups are the most dangerous domestic terrorists in the country. Show nested quote +The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security in May warned that white supremacist groups had already carried out more attacks than any other domestic extremist group over the past 16 years and were likely to carry out more attacks over the next year, according to an intelligence bulletin obtained by Foreign Policy.
The FBI, on the other hand, has already concluded that white supremacists, including neo-Nazi supporters and members of the Ku Klux Klan, are in fact responsible for the lion’s share of violent attacks among domestic extremist groups. White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin.
The report, titled “White Supremacist Extremism Poses Persistent Threat of Lethal Violence,” was prepared by the FBI and DHS.
The bulletin’s numbers appear to correspond with outside estimates. An independent database compiled by the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute found that between 2008 and 2016, far-right plots and attacks outnumbered Islamist incidents by almost 2 to 1.
The cases cited in the intelligence report include an 18-year-old Chinese student in Nashville, Indiana, who was attacked by a white supremacist with a hatchet; the murder of an African-American man in Fort Wayne, Indiana; and the stabbing of Klansman in East Yanceyville, North Carolina, by other KKK members, who believed the victim was Jewish and secretly working for law enforcement. foreignpolicy.comMeanwhile the GOP and Trump have been able to do nothing to curb this widespread and growing terrorist movement among white supremacists and apparently Republicans are just throwing up their hands on being able to prevent terrorism.
Here's the key sentence from that article:
White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin.
Like I said, white supremacists are barely relevant. Black people slaughter that many of each other every two months in Chicago.
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On October 30 2018 08:39 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 07:08 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 05:51 GreenHorizons wrote:You guys catch that? I'm trying to make the point that an honest reflection of this from conservatives/Republicans has to recognize that Trump's leadership on dealing with an increasing terrorist threat has been deficient. That's why (imo) you saw them relish people making the argument that can (however crudely) be reduced to "this is Trump's fault eh? Typical libturd" or whatever. Because that's one where they can equivocate and make the argument about various equivocations instead of the one where they know their core values are challenged. The one where they have to confront the threats of Anti-Semetic/white supremacist terrorists are not only real and significant, but seem to be more frequent and the president isn't dealing with it with the the kind of seriousness and urgency they know they would expect for other terrorists from other presidents.
Or if they want to argue the threat of white supremacy isn't significant (they have in the past), or that Trump is responding to these terrorist attacks sufficiently they have to do it in the context of several terrorist attacks in the last week and no discernible (from my perspective) strategy, let alone a good one, to confront it from Trump. Not even from a strictly national security angle. Or they can change the subject to somewhere they think Trump looks strong. White supremacist/anti-Semitic terrorists are certainly a bigger threat than the caravan but you won't see a strong response to the growing terrorist movement in this country from such a weak president like Trump. Feel free to outline what you think Trump should be doing to stop lone wolf acts of violence. I'll go ahead and cut to the chase for you: there's nothing to be done unless you are prepared to advocate for massive restrictions on civil liberties. Acts like this weekend's synagogue shooting are criminal and should be treated as such. But until there's a criminal act, there's not much to be done. Sorry, but white supremacism isn't a big enough problem to warrant the type of thought policing that y'all seem to want. It's this position of absolute and almost proud helplessness to address the increasing terror threat from white supremacists that demonstrates to me that both Trump and his Party are admitting they are incapable of dealing with the rising threat of white supremacist terrorists. FBI and DHS are trash orgs but even they know white supremacist groups are the most dangerous domestic terrorists in the country. The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security in May warned that white supremacist groups had already carried out more attacks than any other domestic extremist group over the past 16 years and were likely to carry out more attacks over the next year, according to an intelligence bulletin obtained by Foreign Policy.
The FBI, on the other hand, has already concluded that white supremacists, including neo-Nazi supporters and members of the Ku Klux Klan, are in fact responsible for the lion’s share of violent attacks among domestic extremist groups. White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin.
The report, titled “White Supremacist Extremism Poses Persistent Threat of Lethal Violence,” was prepared by the FBI and DHS.
The bulletin’s numbers appear to correspond with outside estimates. An independent database compiled by the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute found that between 2008 and 2016, far-right plots and attacks outnumbered Islamist incidents by almost 2 to 1.
The cases cited in the intelligence report include an 18-year-old Chinese student in Nashville, Indiana, who was attacked by a white supremacist with a hatchet; the murder of an African-American man in Fort Wayne, Indiana; and the stabbing of Klansman in East Yanceyville, North Carolina, by other KKK members, who believed the victim was Jewish and secretly working for law enforcement. foreignpolicy.comMeanwhile the GOP and Trump have been able to do nothing to curb this widespread and growing terrorist movement among white supremacists and apparently Republicans are just throwing up their hands on being able to prevent terrorism. Here's the key sentence from that article: Show nested quote + White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin. Like I said, white supremacists are barely relevant. Black people slaughter that many of each other every two months in Chicago.
That's a low count for sure, but your position is that the threat of terrorism is a non-factor in this country?
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On October 30 2018 06:52 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 04:37 iamthedave wrote:On October 30 2018 03:56 xDaunt wrote:
Of course she's being attacked personally. As is the Trump administration. The media is going out of its way to juxtapose Trump with Nazis, yet they wonder why he calls them "the enemy of the people." If he'd stop using the language of nazis and fascists people might not make the comparisons. Just a suggestion. The problem is that a bunch of you have decided that he is using the language of Nazis rather than just taking what he says at face value. You think everything Trump says is a dog whistle, which is a categorically stupid misunderstanding and misconstruction of the man. You need look no further than your feeble attempts to pin anti-Semitism on Trump as evidence of how bankrupt this line of thinking is. Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 04:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 04:06 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 03:56 xDaunt wrote:
Of course she's being attacked personally. As is the Trump administration. The media is going out of its way to juxtapose Trump with Nazis, yet they wonder why he calls them "the enemy of the people." 9 people were gunned down in an anti-Semitic shooting, but the White House is the victim. Bombs were sent to CNN, but it’s the press’s fault because they are unfair. FYI: That is the job. The press isn’t in the business of praising government. The president has always be the punching bag of the nation when things go wrong. It isn’t a job for the thin skinned. Trump wants to be praised, which isn’t a thing that happens in his current job. It’s why he loves dictators so much. In Trump’s own words, he attacks them to discredit them so no one will believe them. It is weird the news reporters instantly fold to a tactic as old as their entire profession. The point is that the White House has nothing to do with the shooting up of a synagogue. Trump is not instigating anti-semitism. Hell, he's the most pro-Jewish president that we've ever had. Yet here is the press needlessly and quite unfairly painting a narrative that Trump is somehow responsible for the actions of a crazed Nazi shooter who already said that he doesn't support Trump because he thinks that Trump is a "globalist." A fair and responsible media would simply leave Trump out of this. But no, they are so in-the-tank, anti-Trump that they can't help themselves but to try and twist every bad thing that happens in this country into being Trump's fault. The press is deserving of every ounce of scorn that the President heaps on it, just as the press is deserving of its cratering credibility in the eyes of the American people. Do you not care about how often he lies? Is truth literally irrelevant to you now? Because a big part of why the press are all over him is his constant lying. Lying about what? In his own way, Trump is quite direct and honest in a way that politicians aren't in that he communicates precisely what he intends to do. I find it quite refreshing. In terms of pure representations of facts, I don't find that Trump deviates much from the norm among politicians. And quite a bit of what the press accuses Trump of lying about ends up being true, so I'm not particularly interested in what the press thinks. Like I said, they aren't interested in giving Trump a fair shake, and they routinely make shit up about him. There's a reason why #fakenews is a thing.
The dog whistle accusations really are revealing. It's almost transparent how members of the left and their useful idiot allies want to criminalize language in the public mind and make the other political side adopt their terms and positions or be labeled a secret/open white supremacist, nazi, racist, sexist, islamophobe, zenophobe.
The second part you wrote is mostly an indictment of the political class. They lie about more important things, and dither much much better when exposed on their lies. Trump does it on small things and his fickle, peevish attitudes, and gets more exposure. The elite class and some liberals feel they deserve a better brand of polished liar. And of course, outlets like legacy news and east coast newspapers echo totally false stories reported with low standards of journalistic fact-checking. You start to wonder why all these errors and corrections that should've been caught before publication always lean towards disparaging Republicans. The rank hypocrisy on this is one of the things helping Republicans unite on big topics. You can disagree on foreign policy, immigration policy, tax policy, entitlement policy, but agree to come together to stop the debasement of political media and the elite class of politicians.
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On October 30 2018 07:30 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 06:52 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 04:37 iamthedave wrote:On October 30 2018 03:56 xDaunt wrote:
Of course she's being attacked personally. As is the Trump administration. The media is going out of its way to juxtapose Trump with Nazis, yet they wonder why he calls them "the enemy of the people." If he'd stop using the language of nazis and fascists people might not make the comparisons. Just a suggestion. The problem is that a bunch of you have decided that he is using the language of Nazis rather than just taking what he says at face value. You think everything Trump says is a dog whistle, which is a categorically stupid misunderstanding and misconstruction of the man. You need look no further than your feeble attempts to pin anti-Semitism on Trump as evidence of how bankrupt this line of thinking is. On October 30 2018 04:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 04:06 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 03:56 xDaunt wrote:
Of course she's being attacked personally. As is the Trump administration. The media is going out of its way to juxtapose Trump with Nazis, yet they wonder why he calls them "the enemy of the people." 9 people were gunned down in an anti-Semitic shooting, but the White House is the victim. Bombs were sent to CNN, but it’s the press’s fault because they are unfair. FYI: That is the job. The press isn’t in the business of praising government. The president has always be the punching bag of the nation when things go wrong. It isn’t a job for the thin skinned. Trump wants to be praised, which isn’t a thing that happens in his current job. It’s why he loves dictators so much. In Trump’s own words, he attacks them to discredit them so no one will believe them. It is weird the news reporters instantly fold to a tactic as old as their entire profession. The point is that the White House has nothing to do with the shooting up of a synagogue. Trump is not instigating anti-semitism. Hell, he's the most pro-Jewish president that we've ever had. Yet here is the press needlessly and quite unfairly painting a narrative that Trump is somehow responsible for the actions of a crazed Nazi shooter who already said that he doesn't support Trump because he thinks that Trump is a "globalist." A fair and responsible media would simply leave Trump out of this. But no, they are so in-the-tank, anti-Trump that they can't help themselves but to try and twist every bad thing that happens in this country into being Trump's fault. The press is deserving of every ounce of scorn that the President heaps on it, just as the press is deserving of its cratering credibility in the eyes of the American people. Do you not care about how often he lies? Is truth literally irrelevant to you now? Because a big part of why the press are all over him is his constant lying. Lying about what? In his own way, Trump is quite direct and honest in a way that politicians aren't in that he communicates precisely what he intends to do. I find it quite refreshing. In terms of pure representations of facts, I don't find that Trump deviates much from the norm among politicians. And quite a bit of what the press accuses Trump of lying about ends up being true, so I'm not particularly interested in what the press thinks. Like I said, they aren't interested in giving Trump a fair shake, and they routinely make shit up about him. There's a reason why #fakenews is a thing. I mean, this is low hanging fruit, so I'll just leave this here and let you refute these factual lies one by one. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.htmlI'm sure you'll find a way to avoid it though, since you've had the gall to claim he doesn't lie constantly when that is literally his most defining feature (that isn't his hair).
That article is ridiculous. Let's just start with the first two items on there:
JAN. 21 “I wasn't a fan of Iraq. I didn't want to go into Iraq.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.)
So they link to a Howard Stern interview that Trump gave in 2002, where all he says is "Yeah, I guess so" when asked whether he was in favor of invading Iraq. Really? That's supposed to be a measured decision on policy that he's to be held to?
JAN. 21 “A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine.” (Trump was on the cover 11 times and Nixon appeared 55 times.)
This one is just retarded. Trump is off a bit on how many times he has been on the cover of Time (big deal), and then he admits that he only "thinks" that he has been on there more than anyone else. Yet this is a lie? Hardly. The people who wrote that NYT article have a deranged hard on for taking down Trump.
Oh yeah, and the Birther conspiracy. And that time he wanted 5 black people executed despite them being exonerated for a long time afterward. And all the times he's claimed people have said things they haven't. I'd be here until next week.
I made clear that I didn't like the Birther thing and still don't.
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On October 30 2018 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 08:39 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 07:08 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 05:51 GreenHorizons wrote:You guys catch that? I'm trying to make the point that an honest reflection of this from conservatives/Republicans has to recognize that Trump's leadership on dealing with an increasing terrorist threat has been deficient. That's why (imo) you saw them relish people making the argument that can (however crudely) be reduced to "this is Trump's fault eh? Typical libturd" or whatever. Because that's one where they can equivocate and make the argument about various equivocations instead of the one where they know their core values are challenged. The one where they have to confront the threats of Anti-Semetic/white supremacist terrorists are not only real and significant, but seem to be more frequent and the president isn't dealing with it with the the kind of seriousness and urgency they know they would expect for other terrorists from other presidents.
Or if they want to argue the threat of white supremacy isn't significant (they have in the past), or that Trump is responding to these terrorist attacks sufficiently they have to do it in the context of several terrorist attacks in the last week and no discernible (from my perspective) strategy, let alone a good one, to confront it from Trump. Not even from a strictly national security angle. Or they can change the subject to somewhere they think Trump looks strong. White supremacist/anti-Semitic terrorists are certainly a bigger threat than the caravan but you won't see a strong response to the growing terrorist movement in this country from such a weak president like Trump. Feel free to outline what you think Trump should be doing to stop lone wolf acts of violence. I'll go ahead and cut to the chase for you: there's nothing to be done unless you are prepared to advocate for massive restrictions on civil liberties. Acts like this weekend's synagogue shooting are criminal and should be treated as such. But until there's a criminal act, there's not much to be done. Sorry, but white supremacism isn't a big enough problem to warrant the type of thought policing that y'all seem to want. It's this position of absolute and almost proud helplessness to address the increasing terror threat from white supremacists that demonstrates to me that both Trump and his Party are admitting they are incapable of dealing with the rising threat of white supremacist terrorists. FBI and DHS are trash orgs but even they know white supremacist groups are the most dangerous domestic terrorists in the country. The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security in May warned that white supremacist groups had already carried out more attacks than any other domestic extremist group over the past 16 years and were likely to carry out more attacks over the next year, according to an intelligence bulletin obtained by Foreign Policy.
The FBI, on the other hand, has already concluded that white supremacists, including neo-Nazi supporters and members of the Ku Klux Klan, are in fact responsible for the lion’s share of violent attacks among domestic extremist groups. White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin.
The report, titled “White Supremacist Extremism Poses Persistent Threat of Lethal Violence,” was prepared by the FBI and DHS.
The bulletin’s numbers appear to correspond with outside estimates. An independent database compiled by the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute found that between 2008 and 2016, far-right plots and attacks outnumbered Islamist incidents by almost 2 to 1.
The cases cited in the intelligence report include an 18-year-old Chinese student in Nashville, Indiana, who was attacked by a white supremacist with a hatchet; the murder of an African-American man in Fort Wayne, Indiana; and the stabbing of Klansman in East Yanceyville, North Carolina, by other KKK members, who believed the victim was Jewish and secretly working for law enforcement. foreignpolicy.comMeanwhile the GOP and Trump have been able to do nothing to curb this widespread and growing terrorist movement among white supremacists and apparently Republicans are just throwing up their hands on being able to prevent terrorism. Here's the key sentence from that article: White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin. Like I said, white supremacists are barely relevant. Black people slaughter that many of each other every two months in Chicago. That's a low count for sure, but your position is that the threat of terrorism is a non-factor in this country?
From white supremacists in the country, absolutely. They don't have the network and resources to cause serious harm like other extra-territorial terrorist threats.
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On October 30 2018 08:44 Danglars wrote:
The second part you wrote is mostly an indictment of the political class. They lie about more important things, and dither much much better when exposed on their lies. Trump does it on small things and his fickle, peevish attitudes, and gets more exposure. The elite class and some liberals feel they deserve a better brand of polished liar. And of course, outlets like legacy news and east coast newspapers echo totally false stories reported with low standards of journalistic fact-checking. You start to wonder why all these errors and corrections that should've been caught before publication always lean towards disparaging Republicans. The rank hypocrisy on this is one of the things helping Republicans unite on big topics. You can disagree on foreign policy, immigration policy, tax policy, entitlement policy, but agree to come together to stop the debasement of political media and the elite class of politicians.
Most of what people accuse Trump of lying about is little more than puffery. Seriously, no one in their right mind should give a shit about that. Let's start with real lies, like "If you like your doctor, you get to keep him!"
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On October 30 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 08:39 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 07:08 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 05:51 GreenHorizons wrote:You guys catch that? I'm trying to make the point that an honest reflection of this from conservatives/Republicans has to recognize that Trump's leadership on dealing with an increasing terrorist threat has been deficient. That's why (imo) you saw them relish people making the argument that can (however crudely) be reduced to "this is Trump's fault eh? Typical libturd" or whatever. Because that's one where they can equivocate and make the argument about various equivocations instead of the one where they know their core values are challenged. The one where they have to confront the threats of Anti-Semetic/white supremacist terrorists are not only real and significant, but seem to be more frequent and the president isn't dealing with it with the the kind of seriousness and urgency they know they would expect for other terrorists from other presidents.
Or if they want to argue the threat of white supremacy isn't significant (they have in the past), or that Trump is responding to these terrorist attacks sufficiently they have to do it in the context of several terrorist attacks in the last week and no discernible (from my perspective) strategy, let alone a good one, to confront it from Trump. Not even from a strictly national security angle. Or they can change the subject to somewhere they think Trump looks strong. White supremacist/anti-Semitic terrorists are certainly a bigger threat than the caravan but you won't see a strong response to the growing terrorist movement in this country from such a weak president like Trump. Feel free to outline what you think Trump should be doing to stop lone wolf acts of violence. I'll go ahead and cut to the chase for you: there's nothing to be done unless you are prepared to advocate for massive restrictions on civil liberties. Acts like this weekend's synagogue shooting are criminal and should be treated as such. But until there's a criminal act, there's not much to be done. Sorry, but white supremacism isn't a big enough problem to warrant the type of thought policing that y'all seem to want. It's this position of absolute and almost proud helplessness to address the increasing terror threat from white supremacists that demonstrates to me that both Trump and his Party are admitting they are incapable of dealing with the rising threat of white supremacist terrorists. FBI and DHS are trash orgs but even they know white supremacist groups are the most dangerous domestic terrorists in the country. The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security in May warned that white supremacist groups had already carried out more attacks than any other domestic extremist group over the past 16 years and were likely to carry out more attacks over the next year, according to an intelligence bulletin obtained by Foreign Policy.
The FBI, on the other hand, has already concluded that white supremacists, including neo-Nazi supporters and members of the Ku Klux Klan, are in fact responsible for the lion’s share of violent attacks among domestic extremist groups. White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin.
The report, titled “White Supremacist Extremism Poses Persistent Threat of Lethal Violence,” was prepared by the FBI and DHS.
The bulletin’s numbers appear to correspond with outside estimates. An independent database compiled by the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute found that between 2008 and 2016, far-right plots and attacks outnumbered Islamist incidents by almost 2 to 1.
The cases cited in the intelligence report include an 18-year-old Chinese student in Nashville, Indiana, who was attacked by a white supremacist with a hatchet; the murder of an African-American man in Fort Wayne, Indiana; and the stabbing of Klansman in East Yanceyville, North Carolina, by other KKK members, who believed the victim was Jewish and secretly working for law enforcement. foreignpolicy.comMeanwhile the GOP and Trump have been able to do nothing to curb this widespread and growing terrorist movement among white supremacists and apparently Republicans are just throwing up their hands on being able to prevent terrorism. Here's the key sentence from that article: White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin. Like I said, white supremacists are barely relevant. Black people slaughter that many of each other every two months in Chicago. That's a low count for sure, but your position is that the threat of terrorism is a non-factor in this country? From white supremacists in the country, absolutely. They don't have the network and resources to cause serious harm like other extra-territorial terrorist threats.
What are some recent examples of the more serious harm caused by those threats?
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On October 30 2018 08:59 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 08:39 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 07:08 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 05:51 GreenHorizons wrote:You guys catch that? I'm trying to make the point that an honest reflection of this from conservatives/Republicans has to recognize that Trump's leadership on dealing with an increasing terrorist threat has been deficient. That's why (imo) you saw them relish people making the argument that can (however crudely) be reduced to "this is Trump's fault eh? Typical libturd" or whatever. Because that's one where they can equivocate and make the argument about various equivocations instead of the one where they know their core values are challenged. The one where they have to confront the threats of Anti-Semetic/white supremacist terrorists are not only real and significant, but seem to be more frequent and the president isn't dealing with it with the the kind of seriousness and urgency they know they would expect for other terrorists from other presidents.
Or if they want to argue the threat of white supremacy isn't significant (they have in the past), or that Trump is responding to these terrorist attacks sufficiently they have to do it in the context of several terrorist attacks in the last week and no discernible (from my perspective) strategy, let alone a good one, to confront it from Trump. Not even from a strictly national security angle. Or they can change the subject to somewhere they think Trump looks strong. White supremacist/anti-Semitic terrorists are certainly a bigger threat than the caravan but you won't see a strong response to the growing terrorist movement in this country from such a weak president like Trump. Feel free to outline what you think Trump should be doing to stop lone wolf acts of violence. I'll go ahead and cut to the chase for you: there's nothing to be done unless you are prepared to advocate for massive restrictions on civil liberties. Acts like this weekend's synagogue shooting are criminal and should be treated as such. But until there's a criminal act, there's not much to be done. Sorry, but white supremacism isn't a big enough problem to warrant the type of thought policing that y'all seem to want. It's this position of absolute and almost proud helplessness to address the increasing terror threat from white supremacists that demonstrates to me that both Trump and his Party are admitting they are incapable of dealing with the rising threat of white supremacist terrorists. FBI and DHS are trash orgs but even they know white supremacist groups are the most dangerous domestic terrorists in the country. The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security in May warned that white supremacist groups had already carried out more attacks than any other domestic extremist group over the past 16 years and were likely to carry out more attacks over the next year, according to an intelligence bulletin obtained by Foreign Policy.
The FBI, on the other hand, has already concluded that white supremacists, including neo-Nazi supporters and members of the Ku Klux Klan, are in fact responsible for the lion’s share of violent attacks among domestic extremist groups. White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin.
The report, titled “White Supremacist Extremism Poses Persistent Threat of Lethal Violence,” was prepared by the FBI and DHS.
The bulletin’s numbers appear to correspond with outside estimates. An independent database compiled by the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute found that between 2008 and 2016, far-right plots and attacks outnumbered Islamist incidents by almost 2 to 1.
The cases cited in the intelligence report include an 18-year-old Chinese student in Nashville, Indiana, who was attacked by a white supremacist with a hatchet; the murder of an African-American man in Fort Wayne, Indiana; and the stabbing of Klansman in East Yanceyville, North Carolina, by other KKK members, who believed the victim was Jewish and secretly working for law enforcement. foreignpolicy.comMeanwhile the GOP and Trump have been able to do nothing to curb this widespread and growing terrorist movement among white supremacists and apparently Republicans are just throwing up their hands on being able to prevent terrorism. Here's the key sentence from that article: White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin. Like I said, white supremacists are barely relevant. Black people slaughter that many of each other every two months in Chicago. That's a low count for sure, but your position is that the threat of terrorism is a non-factor in this country? From white supremacists in the country, absolutely. They don't have the network and resources to cause serious harm like other extra-territorial terrorist threats. What are some recent examples of the more serious harm caused by those threats?
You can have your pick of Muslim extremist terrorism. There are numerous incidents every year here and around the world. Hell, they just tried to assassinate Trump in the Philippines a few weeks ago.
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On October 30 2018 09:09 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 08:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 08:39 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 07:08 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 05:51 GreenHorizons wrote:You guys catch that? I'm trying to make the point that an honest reflection of this from conservatives/Republicans has to recognize that Trump's leadership on dealing with an increasing terrorist threat has been deficient. That's why (imo) you saw them relish people making the argument that can (however crudely) be reduced to "this is Trump's fault eh? Typical libturd" or whatever. Because that's one where they can equivocate and make the argument about various equivocations instead of the one where they know their core values are challenged. The one where they have to confront the threats of Anti-Semetic/white supremacist terrorists are not only real and significant, but seem to be more frequent and the president isn't dealing with it with the the kind of seriousness and urgency they know they would expect for other terrorists from other presidents.
Or if they want to argue the threat of white supremacy isn't significant (they have in the past), or that Trump is responding to these terrorist attacks sufficiently they have to do it in the context of several terrorist attacks in the last week and no discernible (from my perspective) strategy, let alone a good one, to confront it from Trump. Not even from a strictly national security angle. Or they can change the subject to somewhere they think Trump looks strong. White supremacist/anti-Semitic terrorists are certainly a bigger threat than the caravan but you won't see a strong response to the growing terrorist movement in this country from such a weak president like Trump. Feel free to outline what you think Trump should be doing to stop lone wolf acts of violence. I'll go ahead and cut to the chase for you: there's nothing to be done unless you are prepared to advocate for massive restrictions on civil liberties. Acts like this weekend's synagogue shooting are criminal and should be treated as such. But until there's a criminal act, there's not much to be done. Sorry, but white supremacism isn't a big enough problem to warrant the type of thought policing that y'all seem to want. It's this position of absolute and almost proud helplessness to address the increasing terror threat from white supremacists that demonstrates to me that both Trump and his Party are admitting they are incapable of dealing with the rising threat of white supremacist terrorists. FBI and DHS are trash orgs but even they know white supremacist groups are the most dangerous domestic terrorists in the country. The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security in May warned that white supremacist groups had already carried out more attacks than any other domestic extremist group over the past 16 years and were likely to carry out more attacks over the next year, according to an intelligence bulletin obtained by Foreign Policy.
The FBI, on the other hand, has already concluded that white supremacists, including neo-Nazi supporters and members of the Ku Klux Klan, are in fact responsible for the lion’s share of violent attacks among domestic extremist groups. White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin.
The report, titled “White Supremacist Extremism Poses Persistent Threat of Lethal Violence,” was prepared by the FBI and DHS.
The bulletin’s numbers appear to correspond with outside estimates. An independent database compiled by the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute found that between 2008 and 2016, far-right plots and attacks outnumbered Islamist incidents by almost 2 to 1.
The cases cited in the intelligence report include an 18-year-old Chinese student in Nashville, Indiana, who was attacked by a white supremacist with a hatchet; the murder of an African-American man in Fort Wayne, Indiana; and the stabbing of Klansman in East Yanceyville, North Carolina, by other KKK members, who believed the victim was Jewish and secretly working for law enforcement. foreignpolicy.comMeanwhile the GOP and Trump have been able to do nothing to curb this widespread and growing terrorist movement among white supremacists and apparently Republicans are just throwing up their hands on being able to prevent terrorism. Here's the key sentence from that article: White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin. Like I said, white supremacists are barely relevant. Black people slaughter that many of each other every two months in Chicago. That's a low count for sure, but your position is that the threat of terrorism is a non-factor in this country? From white supremacists in the country, absolutely. They don't have the network and resources to cause serious harm like other extra-territorial terrorist threats. What are some recent examples of the more serious harm caused by those threats? You can have your pick of Muslim extremist terrorism. There are numerous incidents every year here and around the world. Hell, they just tried to assassinate Trump in the Philippines a few weeks ago.
I asked for recent examples of more serious harm caused and you didn't give me any.
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I think GH is focused on events in America that caused the deaths of Americans, rather than the entire world.
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On October 30 2018 09:18 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 09:09 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 08:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 08:39 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 07:08 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 05:51 GreenHorizons wrote:You guys catch that? I'm trying to make the point that an honest reflection of this from conservatives/Republicans has to recognize that Trump's leadership on dealing with an increasing terrorist threat has been deficient. That's why (imo) you saw them relish people making the argument that can (however crudely) be reduced to "this is Trump's fault eh? Typical libturd" or whatever. Because that's one where they can equivocate and make the argument about various equivocations instead of the one where they know their core values are challenged. The one where they have to confront the threats of Anti-Semetic/white supremacist terrorists are not only real and significant, but seem to be more frequent and the president isn't dealing with it with the the kind of seriousness and urgency they know they would expect for other terrorists from other presidents.
Or if they want to argue the threat of white supremacy isn't significant (they have in the past), or that Trump is responding to these terrorist attacks sufficiently they have to do it in the context of several terrorist attacks in the last week and no discernible (from my perspective) strategy, let alone a good one, to confront it from Trump. Not even from a strictly national security angle. Or they can change the subject to somewhere they think Trump looks strong. White supremacist/anti-Semitic terrorists are certainly a bigger threat than the caravan but you won't see a strong response to the growing terrorist movement in this country from such a weak president like Trump. Feel free to outline what you think Trump should be doing to stop lone wolf acts of violence. I'll go ahead and cut to the chase for you: there's nothing to be done unless you are prepared to advocate for massive restrictions on civil liberties. Acts like this weekend's synagogue shooting are criminal and should be treated as such. But until there's a criminal act, there's not much to be done. Sorry, but white supremacism isn't a big enough problem to warrant the type of thought policing that y'all seem to want. It's this position of absolute and almost proud helplessness to address the increasing terror threat from white supremacists that demonstrates to me that both Trump and his Party are admitting they are incapable of dealing with the rising threat of white supremacist terrorists. FBI and DHS are trash orgs but even they know white supremacist groups are the most dangerous domestic terrorists in the country. The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security in May warned that white supremacist groups had already carried out more attacks than any other domestic extremist group over the past 16 years and were likely to carry out more attacks over the next year, according to an intelligence bulletin obtained by Foreign Policy.
The FBI, on the other hand, has already concluded that white supremacists, including neo-Nazi supporters and members of the Ku Klux Klan, are in fact responsible for the lion’s share of violent attacks among domestic extremist groups. White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin.
The report, titled “White Supremacist Extremism Poses Persistent Threat of Lethal Violence,” was prepared by the FBI and DHS.
The bulletin’s numbers appear to correspond with outside estimates. An independent database compiled by the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute found that between 2008 and 2016, far-right plots and attacks outnumbered Islamist incidents by almost 2 to 1.
The cases cited in the intelligence report include an 18-year-old Chinese student in Nashville, Indiana, who was attacked by a white supremacist with a hatchet; the murder of an African-American man in Fort Wayne, Indiana; and the stabbing of Klansman in East Yanceyville, North Carolina, by other KKK members, who believed the victim was Jewish and secretly working for law enforcement. foreignpolicy.comMeanwhile the GOP and Trump have been able to do nothing to curb this widespread and growing terrorist movement among white supremacists and apparently Republicans are just throwing up their hands on being able to prevent terrorism. Here's the key sentence from that article: White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin. Like I said, white supremacists are barely relevant. Black people slaughter that many of each other every two months in Chicago. That's a low count for sure, but your position is that the threat of terrorism is a non-factor in this country? From white supremacists in the country, absolutely. They don't have the network and resources to cause serious harm like other extra-territorial terrorist threats. What are some recent examples of the more serious harm caused by those threats? You can have your pick of Muslim extremist terrorism. There are numerous incidents every year here and around the world. Hell, they just tried to assassinate Trump in the Philippines a few weeks ago. I asked for recent examples of more serious harm caused and you didn't give me any.
You can’t possibly be that ignorant of Muslim terrorism can you? Bataclan? Nice? Boston Marathon? Stabbings in London? And that’s before we get into the bombings that kill hundreds of people at a time in non-Western countries.
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On October 30 2018 09:23 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 09:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 09:09 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 08:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 08:39 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 07:08 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 05:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
You guys catch that?
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Or they can change the subject to somewhere they think Trump looks strong.
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White supremacist/anti-Semitic terrorists are certainly a bigger threat than the caravan but you won't see a strong response to the growing terrorist movement in this country from such a weak president like Trump. Feel free to outline what you think Trump should be doing to stop lone wolf acts of violence. I'll go ahead and cut to the chase for you: there's nothing to be done unless you are prepared to advocate for massive restrictions on civil liberties. Acts like this weekend's synagogue shooting are criminal and should be treated as such. But until there's a criminal act, there's not much to be done. Sorry, but white supremacism isn't a big enough problem to warrant the type of thought policing that y'all seem to want. It's this position of absolute and almost proud helplessness to address the increasing terror threat from white supremacists that demonstrates to me that both Trump and his Party are admitting they are incapable of dealing with the rising threat of white supremacist terrorists. FBI and DHS are trash orgs but even they know white supremacist groups are the most dangerous domestic terrorists in the country. The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security in May warned that white supremacist groups had already carried out more attacks than any other domestic extremist group over the past 16 years and were likely to carry out more attacks over the next year, according to an intelligence bulletin obtained by Foreign Policy.
The FBI, on the other hand, has already concluded that white supremacists, including neo-Nazi supporters and members of the Ku Klux Klan, are in fact responsible for the lion’s share of violent attacks among domestic extremist groups. White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin.
The report, titled “White Supremacist Extremism Poses Persistent Threat of Lethal Violence,” was prepared by the FBI and DHS.
The bulletin’s numbers appear to correspond with outside estimates. An independent database compiled by the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute found that between 2008 and 2016, far-right plots and attacks outnumbered Islamist incidents by almost 2 to 1.
The cases cited in the intelligence report include an 18-year-old Chinese student in Nashville, Indiana, who was attacked by a white supremacist with a hatchet; the murder of an African-American man in Fort Wayne, Indiana; and the stabbing of Klansman in East Yanceyville, North Carolina, by other KKK members, who believed the victim was Jewish and secretly working for law enforcement. foreignpolicy.comMeanwhile the GOP and Trump have been able to do nothing to curb this widespread and growing terrorist movement among white supremacists and apparently Republicans are just throwing up their hands on being able to prevent terrorism. Here's the key sentence from that article: White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin. Like I said, white supremacists are barely relevant. Black people slaughter that many of each other every two months in Chicago. That's a low count for sure, but your position is that the threat of terrorism is a non-factor in this country? From white supremacists in the country, absolutely. They don't have the network and resources to cause serious harm like other extra-territorial terrorist threats. What are some recent examples of the more serious harm caused by those threats? You can have your pick of Muslim extremist terrorism. There are numerous incidents every year here and around the world. Hell, they just tried to assassinate Trump in the Philippines a few weeks ago. I asked for recent examples of more serious harm caused and you didn't give me any. You can’t possibly be that ignorant of Muslim terrorism can you? Bataclan? Nice? Boston Marathon? Stabbings in London? And that’s before we get into the bombings that kill hundreds of people at a time in non-Western countries.
No, I just didn't want to presume what attacks you were referencing. Just to be clear, you think the stabbings in London are an example of more relevant and harmful attacks to Americans than domestic white supremacist terrorists?
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On October 30 2018 09:32 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 09:23 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 09:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 09:09 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 08:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 08:39 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 07:08 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 06:45 xDaunt wrote:
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Feel free to outline what you think Trump should be doing to stop lone wolf acts of violence. I'll go ahead and cut to the chase for you: there's nothing to be done unless you are prepared to advocate for massive restrictions on civil liberties. Acts like this weekend's synagogue shooting are criminal and should be treated as such. But until there's a criminal act, there's not much to be done. Sorry, but white supremacism isn't a big enough problem to warrant the type of thought policing that y'all seem to want. It's this position of absolute and almost proud helplessness to address the increasing terror threat from white supremacists that demonstrates to me that both Trump and his Party are admitting they are incapable of dealing with the rising threat of white supremacist terrorists. FBI and DHS are trash orgs but even they know white supremacist groups are the most dangerous domestic terrorists in the country. The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security in May warned that white supremacist groups had already carried out more attacks than any other domestic extremist group over the past 16 years and were likely to carry out more attacks over the next year, according to an intelligence bulletin obtained by Foreign Policy.
The FBI, on the other hand, has already concluded that white supremacists, including neo-Nazi supporters and members of the Ku Klux Klan, are in fact responsible for the lion’s share of violent attacks among domestic extremist groups. White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin.
The report, titled “White Supremacist Extremism Poses Persistent Threat of Lethal Violence,” was prepared by the FBI and DHS.
The bulletin’s numbers appear to correspond with outside estimates. An independent database compiled by the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute found that between 2008 and 2016, far-right plots and attacks outnumbered Islamist incidents by almost 2 to 1.
The cases cited in the intelligence report include an 18-year-old Chinese student in Nashville, Indiana, who was attacked by a white supremacist with a hatchet; the murder of an African-American man in Fort Wayne, Indiana; and the stabbing of Klansman in East Yanceyville, North Carolina, by other KKK members, who believed the victim was Jewish and secretly working for law enforcement. foreignpolicy.comMeanwhile the GOP and Trump have been able to do nothing to curb this widespread and growing terrorist movement among white supremacists and apparently Republicans are just throwing up their hands on being able to prevent terrorism. Here's the key sentence from that article: White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin. Like I said, white supremacists are barely relevant. Black people slaughter that many of each other every two months in Chicago. That's a low count for sure, but your position is that the threat of terrorism is a non-factor in this country? From white supremacists in the country, absolutely. They don't have the network and resources to cause serious harm like other extra-territorial terrorist threats. What are some recent examples of the more serious harm caused by those threats? You can have your pick of Muslim extremist terrorism. There are numerous incidents every year here and around the world. Hell, they just tried to assassinate Trump in the Philippines a few weeks ago. I asked for recent examples of more serious harm caused and you didn't give me any. You can’t possibly be that ignorant of Muslim terrorism can you? Bataclan? Nice? Boston Marathon? Stabbings in London? And that’s before we get into the bombings that kill hundreds of people at a time in non-Western countries. No, I just didn't want to presume what attacks you were referencing. Just to be clear, you think the stabbings in London are an example of more relevant and harmful attacks to Americans than domestic white supremacist terrorists?
It is an incontrovertible fact that global terrorist organizations are actively trying to attack the US and have successfully done so since 9/11. They just tried to assassinate the President. You are living in a fantasy world if you don’t think that they constitute a bigger problem for the US than white supremacists.
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On October 30 2018 09:35 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 09:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 09:23 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 09:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 09:09 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 08:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 08:39 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 07:08 GreenHorizons wrote:[quote] It's this position of absolute and almost proud helplessness to address the increasing terror threat from white supremacists that demonstrates to me that both Trump and his Party are admitting they are incapable of dealing with the rising threat of white supremacist terrorists. FBI and DHS are trash orgs but even they know white supremacist groups are the most dangerous domestic terrorists in the country. [quote] foreignpolicy.comMeanwhile the GOP and Trump have been able to do nothing to curb this widespread and growing terrorist movement among white supremacists and apparently Republicans are just throwing up their hands on being able to prevent terrorism. Here's the key sentence from that article: White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin. Like I said, white supremacists are barely relevant. Black people slaughter that many of each other every two months in Chicago. That's a low count for sure, but your position is that the threat of terrorism is a non-factor in this country? From white supremacists in the country, absolutely. They don't have the network and resources to cause serious harm like other extra-territorial terrorist threats. What are some recent examples of the more serious harm caused by those threats? You can have your pick of Muslim extremist terrorism. There are numerous incidents every year here and around the world. Hell, they just tried to assassinate Trump in the Philippines a few weeks ago. I asked for recent examples of more serious harm caused and you didn't give me any. You can’t possibly be that ignorant of Muslim terrorism can you? Bataclan? Nice? Boston Marathon? Stabbings in London? And that’s before we get into the bombings that kill hundreds of people at a time in non-Western countries. No, I just didn't want to presume what attacks you were referencing. Just to be clear, you think the stabbings in London are an example of more relevant and harmful attacks to Americans than domestic white supremacist terrorists? It is an incontrovertible fact that global terrorist organizations are actively trying to attack the US and have successfully done so since 9/11. They just tried to assassinate the President. You are living in a fantasy world if you don’t think that they constitute a bigger problem for the US than white supremacists.
No, my world is the one where if I go to the wrong bar at the wrong time or say the wrong thing I could be the next headline. I feel absolutely no threat of some international terrorist harming me or people I know personally. I take this as you walking back your previous position to a more comfortable "bigger problem" categorization.
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On October 30 2018 09:39 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 09:35 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 09:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 09:23 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 09:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 09:09 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 08:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 30 2018 08:39 xDaunt wrote:
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Like I said, white supremacists are barely relevant. Black people slaughter that many of each other every two months in Chicago. That's a low count for sure, but your position is that the threat of terrorism is a non-factor in this country? From white supremacists in the country, absolutely. They don't have the network and resources to cause serious harm like other extra-territorial terrorist threats. What are some recent examples of the more serious harm caused by those threats? You can have your pick of Muslim extremist terrorism. There are numerous incidents every year here and around the world. Hell, they just tried to assassinate Trump in the Philippines a few weeks ago. I asked for recent examples of more serious harm caused and you didn't give me any. You can’t possibly be that ignorant of Muslim terrorism can you? Bataclan? Nice? Boston Marathon? Stabbings in London? And that’s before we get into the bombings that kill hundreds of people at a time in non-Western countries. No, I just didn't want to presume what attacks you were referencing. Just to be clear, you think the stabbings in London are an example of more relevant and harmful attacks to Americans than domestic white supremacist terrorists? It is an incontrovertible fact that global terrorist organizations are actively trying to attack the US and have successfully done so since 9/11. They just tried to assassinate the President. You are living in a fantasy world if you don’t think that they constitute a bigger problem for the US than white supremacists. No, my world is the one where if I go to the wrong bar at the wrong time or say the wrong thing I could be the next headline. I feel absolutely no threat of some international terrorist harming me or people I know personally. I take this as you walking back your previous position to a more comfortable "bigger problem" categorization.
Your feelings are not statistically supported. And no, I haven’t walked back anything.
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