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Sorry, I had a hard time reading that without laughing. On the one hand, I understand he has a strong resolve to keep brown people out of the country, but on the other...
With all the times he outright lies about shit, or talks about it without knowing the first damn thing, when he stands to the anthem and doesn't know the words, when he stares directly into the eclipse, and when he leaves his personal phone free for the Chinese to tap, are you sure the first thing you want from him is resolve?
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Haha they are calling it "Operation Faithful Patriot." I guess you're okay with them spending I don't know how many millions of dollars on this deployment so that Trump can stir up his base in advance of the midterms? Because to the extent the caravan even needs a response this seems excessive.
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By wasting tax dollars and the time of active duty soldiers by sending them to the border to defend against something that is 900 mile away. Now if this caravan were filled with Boston marathon runners that didn’t need to eat or sleep, they would get here in like 5 days. But the reality this is an election stunt, nothing more.
Edit: My god, that name is hysterical.
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Interesting quotes from that article:
"The additional troops would mean that the number of U.S. forces deployed at the border would be greater than those currently in Syria and Iraq, and roughly half of those deployed in Afghanistan."
Good to know the US is ready to fight the real war. Also from that article:
"A Pentagon spokesman called any figures about troop deployments “premature.”
Resolve, or meaningless bluster? Is there actually a difference? Probably not! Whatever actually happens, Trump will claim that was his original idea anyway or that the Democrats did it. And finaly:
"The agency also is considering what to do about people who have been waiting in Mexico, as directed by U.S. border officials, should the president temporarily bar asylum seekers from the border."
This doesn't at all sound like a situation that could go spectacularly wrong. Not one bit.
I think this caravan is in for a great disappointment when it finally gets to the border. And with that could come the bits and pieces for a tragedy. Not sure they'll be ready for the long wait that's going to be expected of them to get processed officially.
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Almost all of the last caravan (few months ago, left with 2000) that made it to the border were granted asylum. Some coyotes and spliters of the main group try to sneak in but get caught. I'm guessing the caravan members have been briefed to just stay together and apply for asylum at the border (come on, the lefty NGOs organizing it like migrantes sin fronteras aren't dumb). It's really out of Trump's hands at that point. He can't really station Trumps on Mexican sovereign territory. Mexico isn't doing much to stop it at this time.
I conclude this is a show of resolve to threaten Mexico and other non-failed states south of the US to act or face aid repercussions.
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The most pathetic part of all of this, beyond human tragedy, that outside of the US media landscape it looks like the US government is terrified of a couple thousand starving homeless people vaguely making their way north.
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On October 30 2018 00:02 Mercy13 wrote:Haha they are calling it "Operation Faithful Patriot." I guess you're okay with them spending I don't know how many millions of dollars on this deployment so that Trump can stir up his base in advance of the midterms? Because to the extent the caravan even needs a response this seems excessive.
I don't know exactly how much Trump is spending on the deployment, but it is undoubtedly a pittance compared to the long term cost in public benefits from letting in thousands of non-English speaking indigents. If nothing else, the deployment is a very sound investment.
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On October 30 2018 00:22 Plansix wrote:
The most pathetic part of all of this, beyond human tragedy, that outside of the US media landscape it looks like the US government is terrified of a couple thousand starving homeless people vaguely making their way north.
Can't deny it, it's how I read it. The idea that this shows 'strength' is absurd to me. And also a complete failure since the people intended to be intimidated by said strength clearly aren't.
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The real question is if the next caravan occurs in another five-six months, mimicking the gap between the last caravan and this one.
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On October 30 2018 00:22 Plansix wrote:
The most pathetic part of all of this, beyond human tragedy, that outside of the US media landscape it looks like the US government is terrified of a couple thousand starving homeless people vaguely making their way north.
The US isn't a charity. We have finite resources. There are any number of human tragedies that we could deploy those resources to combat both home and abroad. If you really cared about people as opposed to politics, you would focus on helping our own first before throwing money at foreigners.
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I don't recall any country being a charity. But that doesn't seem to stop the rest of the world from accepting and helping those fleeing harmful situations by granting them asylum. Are those countries heartless then?
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On October 30 2018 01:22 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 00:22 Plansix wrote:
The most pathetic part of all of this, beyond human tragedy, that outside of the US media landscape it looks like the US government is terrified of a couple thousand starving homeless people vaguely making their way north. The US isn't a charity. We have finite resources. There are any number of human tragedies that we could deploy those resources to combat both home and abroad. If you really cared about people as opposed to politics, you would focus on helping our own first before throwing money at foreigners.
I’m not even going to engage with idea then US can’t handle the 16,000 asylum seekers from 2017 or that they would somehow strain our infrastructure and resources if there were all allowed to stay. 72,000 people died of opioid overdoses in the same year, yet no one talks about the strain on resources and community that causes with the same fervor as Trump talks about that caravan.
If you really cared about this you would advocate repealing the law allowing people to seek asylum in the US. But you know that will never happen because. So like Obama, you advocate for the use of executive power when you know the legislature won’t do what you wants. Only Obama tried to protect transgender kids from discrimination and you want to keep starving people from asking for help.
And I do care about helping people in the US. Unlike you, I know we can do both. And the first step is getting conservatives out of power.
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On October 30 2018 01:22 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 00:22 Plansix wrote:
The most pathetic part of all of this, beyond human tragedy, that outside of the US media landscape it looks like the US government is terrified of a couple thousand starving homeless people vaguely making their way north. The US isn't a charity. We have finite resources. There are any number of human tragedies that we could deploy those resources to combat both home and abroad. If you really cared about people as opposed to politics, you would focus on helping our own first before throwing money at foreigners.
wait, what?
what besides politics alone drives the sentiment that in caring about people you *must first* care about ‘your own?’
what defines ‘your own’ people here? and what necessitates that i have to care about only these people first? i would contend instead if you actually cared about people instead of politics, you would help the people.  . in this way, i’m almost certain you’ve framed this completely backwards.
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On October 30 2018 01:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 01:22 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 00:22 Plansix wrote:
The most pathetic part of all of this, beyond human tragedy, that outside of the US media landscape it looks like the US government is terrified of a couple thousand starving homeless people vaguely making their way north. The US isn't a charity. We have finite resources. There are any number of human tragedies that we could deploy those resources to combat both home and abroad. If you really cared about people as opposed to politics, you would focus on helping our own first before throwing money at foreigners. I’m not even going to engage with idea then US can’t handle the 16,000 asylum seekers from 2017 or that they would somehow strain our infrastructure and resources if there were all allowed to stay. 72,000 people died of opioid overdoses in the same year, yet no one talks about the strain on resources and community that causes with the same fervor as Trump talks about that caravan. If you really cared about this you would advocate repealing the law allowing people to seek asylum in the US. But you know that will never happen because. So like Obama, you advocate for the use of executive power when you know the legislature won’t do what you wants. Only Obama tried to protect transgender kids from discrimination and you want to keep starving people from asking for help. And I do care about helping people in the US. Unlike you, I know we can do both. And the first step is getting conservatives out of power.
They happily vote in Conservative officials who give massive windfalls to the already wealthy at our expense, but suddenly when the subject is whether some darker-skinned folks desperately need our help our resources are terribly finite. K.
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The idea that people outside the US are somehow not “my people” is fucking comical. And borderline insulting. What does that even mean, “my people”? People who agree with me? American citizens? People of my religion? People with the same skin color as me? Who are these people that are more worthy of my aid than this caravan is starving families?
The simplistic binary allure Nationalism has taken hold here. It has obliterated almost all self awareness and critique of the language being used.
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On October 30 2018 01:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 01:22 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 00:22 Plansix wrote:
The most pathetic part of all of this, beyond human tragedy, that outside of the US media landscape it looks like the US government is terrified of a couple thousand starving homeless people vaguely making their way north. The US isn't a charity. We have finite resources. There are any number of human tragedies that we could deploy those resources to combat both home and abroad. If you really cared about people as opposed to politics, you would focus on helping our own first before throwing money at foreigners. I’m not even going to engage with idea then US can’t handle the 16,000 asylum seekers from 2017 or that they would somehow strain our infrastructure and resources if there were all allowed to stay. 72,000 people died of opioid overdoses in the same year, yet no one talks about the strain on resources and community that causes with the same fervor as Trump talks about that caravan. If you really cared about this you would advocate repealing the law allowing people to seek asylum in the US. But you know that will never happen because. So like Obama, you advocate for the use of executive power when you know the legislature won’t do what you wants. Only Obama tried to protect transgender kids from discrimination and you want to keep starving people from asking for help. And I do care about helping people in the US. Unlike you, I know we can do both. And the first step is getting conservatives out of power.
If you blink, you’ll miss the acceptance that the US is a charity and is furthermore well capable and positioned to serve as a charity for tens of thousands from Latin America.
Run on that, I dare you. Grab that mandate from the American voters. You, the American taxpayer, should be proud to be running the great North American charity nation for whoever can find transportation here.
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On October 30 2018 02:16 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 01:42 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 01:22 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 00:22 Plansix wrote:
The most pathetic part of all of this, beyond human tragedy, that outside of the US media landscape it looks like the US government is terrified of a couple thousand starving homeless people vaguely making their way north. The US isn't a charity. We have finite resources. There are any number of human tragedies that we could deploy those resources to combat both home and abroad. If you really cared about people as opposed to politics, you would focus on helping our own first before throwing money at foreigners. I’m not even going to engage with idea then US can’t handle the 16,000 asylum seekers from 2017 or that they would somehow strain our infrastructure and resources if there were all allowed to stay. 72,000 people died of opioid overdoses in the same year, yet no one talks about the strain on resources and community that causes with the same fervor as Trump talks about that caravan. If you really cared about this you would advocate repealing the law allowing people to seek asylum in the US. But you know that will never happen because. So like Obama, you advocate for the use of executive power when you know the legislature won’t do what you wants. Only Obama tried to protect transgender kids from discrimination and you want to keep starving people from asking for help. And I do care about helping people in the US. Unlike you, I know we can do both. And the first step is getting conservatives out of power. If you blink, you’ll miss the acceptance that the US is a charity and is furthermore well capable and positioned to serve as a charity for tens of thousands from Latin America. Run on that, I dare you. Grab that mandate from the American voters. You, the American taxpayer, should be proud to be running the great North American charity nation for whoever can find transportation here.
if you blink you’d miss the idea that we do exactly this for millions of immigrants and natural born citiizens every year for the entirety of your life and the lives of those before you. you think the government doesn’t deal in handouts? i’m sure you don’t, so why do you think that serves as a valid argument now?
if instead you would debate whether we should, i’d understand. and between your sarcasm it almost sounds like you were getting there. to that end, do you think in fact we are not capable of supporting some tens of thousands of latin immigrants, or was that just part of the sarcasm?
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On October 30 2018 02:16 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 01:42 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 01:22 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 00:22 Plansix wrote:
The most pathetic part of all of this, beyond human tragedy, that outside of the US media landscape it looks like the US government is terrified of a couple thousand starving homeless people vaguely making their way north. The US isn't a charity. We have finite resources. There are any number of human tragedies that we could deploy those resources to combat both home and abroad. If you really cared about people as opposed to politics, you would focus on helping our own first before throwing money at foreigners. I’m not even going to engage with idea then US can’t handle the 16,000 asylum seekers from 2017 or that they would somehow strain our infrastructure and resources if there were all allowed to stay. 72,000 people died of opioid overdoses in the same year, yet no one talks about the strain on resources and community that causes with the same fervor as Trump talks about that caravan. If you really cared about this you would advocate repealing the law allowing people to seek asylum in the US. But you know that will never happen because. So like Obama, you advocate for the use of executive power when you know the legislature won’t do what you wants. Only Obama tried to protect transgender kids from discrimination and you want to keep starving people from asking for help. And I do care about helping people in the US. Unlike you, I know we can do both. And the first step is getting conservatives out of power. If you blink, you’ll miss the acceptance that the US is a charity and is furthermore well capable and positioned to serve as a charity for tens of thousands from Latin America. Run on that, I dare you. Grab that mandate from the American voters. You, the American taxpayer, should be proud to be running the great North American charity nation for whoever can find transportation here.
This is such a hot garbage take if I've ever seen it. You want to complain that the main thread is a haven for shitposters, but you bring this kind of shit here?
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On October 30 2018 02:16 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 01:42 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 01:22 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 00:22 Plansix wrote:
The most pathetic part of all of this, beyond human tragedy, that outside of the US media landscape it looks like the US government is terrified of a couple thousand starving homeless people vaguely making their way north. The US isn't a charity. We have finite resources. There are any number of human tragedies that we could deploy those resources to combat both home and abroad. If you really cared about people as opposed to politics, you would focus on helping our own first before throwing money at foreigners. I’m not even going to engage with idea then US can’t handle the 16,000 asylum seekers from 2017 or that they would somehow strain our infrastructure and resources if there were all allowed to stay. 72,000 people died of opioid overdoses in the same year, yet no one talks about the strain on resources and community that causes with the same fervor as Trump talks about that caravan. If you really cared about this you would advocate repealing the law allowing people to seek asylum in the US. But you know that will never happen because. So like Obama, you advocate for the use of executive power when you know the legislature won’t do what you wants. Only Obama tried to protect transgender kids from discrimination and you want to keep starving people from asking for help. And I do care about helping people in the US. Unlike you, I know we can do both. And the first step is getting conservatives out of power. If you blink, you’ll miss the acceptance that the US is a charity and is furthermore well capable and positioned to serve as a charity for tens of thousands from Latin America. Run on that, I dare you. Grab that mandate from the American voters. You, the American taxpayer, should be proud to be running the great North American charity nation for whoever can find transportation here.
The three refugee families I’ve has the pleasure of knowing have been hard working and endlessly greatful. My wife works with in elder care where they help with elderly refugees fro Iraq who lack the ability to work. They are more than happy to live in modest conditions and not live in fear. And the refugee community assists in their care. If this is your idea of a charity, it is fantastic and something America should strive for.
And why would anyone run on that platform when they can point out the shitty tax cuts the GOP passed and the 6000 Americans that die every month from overdoses? Just call the caravan what it is, a distraction from Trump’s inability effectively address the problems facing the US. Fear mongering in front of the midterm election.
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On October 30 2018 01:39 NewSunshine wrote:
I don't recall any country being a charity. But that doesn't seem to stop the rest of the world from accepting and helping those fleeing harmful situations by granting them asylum. Are those countries heartless then?
These aren't people seeking asylum. If they were, they would have accepted asylum in Mexico. No, these are people looking to circumvent our immigration system and get a free ticket into the US.
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