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On October 30 2018 02:29 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 02:16 Danglars wrote:On October 30 2018 01:42 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 01:22 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 00:22 Plansix wrote:
The most pathetic part of all of this, beyond human tragedy, that outside of the US media landscape it looks like the US government is terrified of a couple thousand starving homeless people vaguely making their way north. The US isn't a charity. We have finite resources. There are any number of human tragedies that we could deploy those resources to combat both home and abroad. If you really cared about people as opposed to politics, you would focus on helping our own first before throwing money at foreigners. I’m not even going to engage with idea then US can’t handle the 16,000 asylum seekers from 2017 or that they would somehow strain our infrastructure and resources if there were all allowed to stay. 72,000 people died of opioid overdoses in the same year, yet no one talks about the strain on resources and community that causes with the same fervor as Trump talks about that caravan. If you really cared about this you would advocate repealing the law allowing people to seek asylum in the US. But you know that will never happen because. So like Obama, you advocate for the use of executive power when you know the legislature won’t do what you wants. Only Obama tried to protect transgender kids from discrimination and you want to keep starving people from asking for help. And I do care about helping people in the US. Unlike you, I know we can do both. And the first step is getting conservatives out of power. If you blink, you’ll miss the acceptance that the US is a charity and is furthermore well capable and positioned to serve as a charity for tens of thousands from Latin America. Run on that, I dare you. Grab that mandate from the American voters. You, the American taxpayer, should be proud to be running the great North American charity nation for whoever can find transportation here. This is such a hot garbage take if I've ever seen it. You want to complain that the main thread is a haven for shitposters, but you bring this kind of shit here?
You just don't like it because it's true. If you progressives applied a thread of common sense to immigration policy, you'd see just how insane it is to take in all of these poor, indigent migrants. It's unequivocally bad for the US to do so. And as Danglars points out in his post, a majority of Americans understands this. This is the issue that ultimately got Trump elected in 2016, and it is the issue that he will continue to use to bludgeon the Democrat party over the next six years.
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On October 30 2018 02:48 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 01:39 NewSunshine wrote:
I don't recall any country being a charity. But that doesn't seem to stop the rest of the world from accepting and helping those fleeing harmful situations by granting them asylum. Are those countries heartless then? These aren't people seeking asylum. If they were, they would have accepted asylum in Mexico. No, these are people looking to circumvent our immigration system and get a free ticket into the US.
NPR reported today that around halfish of the 3000 accepted and are being processed, half are considering and about 400 people were not approved for asylum and were deported by Mexico.
So, as always, the Dailywire exists in some alternative reality.
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/29/661676110/mexico-offers-caravan-members-work-visas-if-they-stay-in-southern-mexico
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On October 30 2018 02:48 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 01:39 NewSunshine wrote:
I don't recall any country being a charity. But that doesn't seem to stop the rest of the world from accepting and helping those fleeing harmful situations by granting them asylum. Are those countries heartless then? These aren't people seeking asylum. If they were, they would have accepted asylum in Mexico. No, these are people looking to circumvent our immigration system and get a free ticket into the US.
Unlike the people born in the USA, they worked hard to get where they are.
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On October 30 2018 02:52 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 02:29 NewSunshine wrote:On October 30 2018 02:16 Danglars wrote:On October 30 2018 01:42 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 01:22 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2018 00:22 Plansix wrote:
The most pathetic part of all of this, beyond human tragedy, that outside of the US media landscape it looks like the US government is terrified of a couple thousand starving homeless people vaguely making their way north. The US isn't a charity. We have finite resources. There are any number of human tragedies that we could deploy those resources to combat both home and abroad. If you really cared about people as opposed to politics, you would focus on helping our own first before throwing money at foreigners. I’m not even going to engage with idea then US can’t handle the 16,000 asylum seekers from 2017 or that they would somehow strain our infrastructure and resources if there were all allowed to stay. 72,000 people died of opioid overdoses in the same year, yet no one talks about the strain on resources and community that causes with the same fervor as Trump talks about that caravan. If you really cared about this you would advocate repealing the law allowing people to seek asylum in the US. But you know that will never happen because. So like Obama, you advocate for the use of executive power when you know the legislature won’t do what you wants. Only Obama tried to protect transgender kids from discrimination and you want to keep starving people from asking for help. And I do care about helping people in the US. Unlike you, I know we can do both. And the first step is getting conservatives out of power. If you blink, you’ll miss the acceptance that the US is a charity and is furthermore well capable and positioned to serve as a charity for tens of thousands from Latin America. Run on that, I dare you. Grab that mandate from the American voters. You, the American taxpayer, should be proud to be running the great North American charity nation for whoever can find transportation here. This is such a hot garbage take if I've ever seen it. You want to complain that the main thread is a haven for shitposters, but you bring this kind of shit here? You just don't like it because it's true. If you progressives applied a thread of common sense to immigration policy, you'd see just how insane it is to take in all of these poor, indigent migrants. It's unequivocally bad for the US to do so. And as Danglars points out in his post, a majority of Americans understands this. This is the issue that ultimately got Trump elected in 2016, and it is the issue that he will continue to use to bludgeon the Democrat party over the next six years.
I understand that Trump's strategy is to attack Democrats by fear-mongering over immigrants that have been coming to our country for all of our lifetimes and beyond, that are allegedly now going to destroy America and all its institutions, because they're all rapists, murderers and drug-dealers. I get that. That does nothing to convince me that it's rooted anywhere in reality. And if you don't want the shit that Danglars dropped in here to be labeled as hot garbage, maybe don't just swoop into the conversation and drop the word charity a whole bunch. Like I'm an idiot.
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Vandalism by gunfire in Volusia county. GOP HQ. Campaign workers were pulling bullets out from walls today.
Just in case you thought Trump’s war on the media was so *gasp* unacceptable, don’t worry. The American press thinks it’s acceptable as long as you pick the correct targets within the media.
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Yes, it's unacceptable. What's your point?
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Yeah, it is a stretch to claim the The Post is saying Fox News is an enemy of the people. Advocating for more responsibility for the words that come out of their guests mouths is not an attack.
Edit: meanwhile Sarah Sanders refuses to answer questions about white nationalism and the call from the attacked Jewish community to condemn it. Instead she attacks the reporters and acts like she is being personally attacked.
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Of course she's being attacked personally. As is the Trump administration. The media is going out of its way to juxtapose Trump with Nazis, yet they wonder why he calls them "the enemy of the people."
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On October 30 2018 03:56 xDaunt wrote:
Of course she's being attacked personally. As is the Trump administration. The media is going out of its way to juxtapose Trump with Nazis, yet they wonder why he calls them "the enemy of the people."
9 people were gunned down in an anti-Semitic shooting, but the White House is the victim. Bombs were sent to CNN, but it’s the press’s fault because they are unfair.
FYI: That is the job. The press isn’t in the business of praising government. The president has always be the punching bag of the nation when things go wrong. It isn’t a job for the thin skinned. Trump wants to be praised, which isn’t a thing that happens in his current job. It’s why he loves dictators so much.
In Trump’s own words, he attacks them to discredit them so no one will believe them. It is weird the news reporters instantly fold to a tactic as old as their entire profession.
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On October 30 2018 03:56 xDaunt wrote:
Of course she's being attacked personally. As is the Trump administration. The media is going out of its way to juxtapose Trump with Nazis, yet they wonder why he calls them "the enemy of the people."
Is Fox News being personally attacked when people suggest they should be held accountable for what they say?
Also you have cause and effect backwards. He calls the media the enemy of the people, and you wonder why people juxtapose Trump with Nazis?
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On October 30 2018 04:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 03:56 xDaunt wrote:
Of course she's being attacked personally. As is the Trump administration. The media is going out of its way to juxtapose Trump with Nazis, yet they wonder why he calls them "the enemy of the people." 9 people were gunned down in an anti-Semitic shooting, but the White House is the victim. Bombs were sent to CNN, but it’s the press’s fault because they are unfair. FYI: That is the job. The press isn’t in the business of praising government. The president has always be the punching bag of the nation when things go wrong. It isn’t a job for the thin skinned. Trump wants to be praised, which isn’t a thing that happens in his current job. It’s why he loves dictators so much. In Trump’s own words, he attacks them to discredit them so no one will believe them. It is weird the news reporters instantly fold to a tactic as old as their entire profession.
The point is that the White House has nothing to do with the shooting up of a synagogue. Trump is not instigating anti-semitism. Hell, he's the most pro-Jewish president that we've ever had. Yet here is the press needlessly and quite unfairly painting a narrative that Trump is somehow responsible for the actions of a crazed Nazi shooter who already said that he doesn't support Trump because he thinks that Trump is a "globalist." A fair and responsible media would simply leave Trump out of this. But no, they are so in-the-tank, anti-Trump that they can't help themselves but to try and twist every bad thing that happens in this country into being Trump's fault. The press is deserving of every ounce of scorn that the President heaps on it, just as the press is deserving of its cratering credibility in the eyes of the American people.
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On October 30 2018 04:13 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 04:06 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 03:56 xDaunt wrote:
Of course she's being attacked personally. As is the Trump administration. The media is going out of its way to juxtapose Trump with Nazis, yet they wonder why he calls them "the enemy of the people." 9 people were gunned down in an anti-Semitic shooting, but the White House is the victim. Bombs were sent to CNN, but it’s the press’s fault because they are unfair. FYI: That is the job. The press isn’t in the business of praising government. The president has always be the punching bag of the nation when things go wrong. It isn’t a job for the thin skinned. Trump wants to be praised, which isn’t a thing that happens in his current job. It’s why he loves dictators so much. In Trump’s own words, he attacks them to discredit them so no one will believe them. It is weird the news reporters instantly fold to a tactic as old as their entire profession. The point is that the White House has nothing to do with the shooting up of a synagogue. Trump is not instigating anti-semitism. Hell, he's the most pro-Jewish president that we've ever had. Yet here is the press needlessly and quite unfairly painting a narrative that Trump is somehow responsible for the actions of a crazed Nazi shooter who already said that he doesn't support Trump because he thinks that Trump is a "globalist." A fair and responsible media would simply leave Trump out of this. But no, they are so in-the-tank, anti-Trump that they can't help themselves but to try and twist every bad thing that happens in this country into being Trump's fault. The press is deserving of every ounce of scorn that the President heaps on it, just as the press is deserving of its cratering credibility in the eyes of the American people.
It is a narrative trump painted for himself when he adopted America first, the slogan of the US Nazi party. When he called a bunch of protesters marching under Nazi flags “very fine people” after they killed someone. When he and his administration, to this day, refuse to condemn White Nationalism. When he and his supporters, included senator Grassley continue to peddle the claim the George Soros is funding the migrant caravan, which the shooter cited as a reason for the shooting.
And the American people might not like the news media right now, but they don’t have any faith in trump. He approval rating is below 40 yet again.
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On October 30 2018 03:56 xDaunt wrote:
Of course she's being attacked personally. As is the Trump administration. The media is going out of its way to juxtapose Trump with Nazis, yet they wonder why he calls them "the enemy of the people."
If he'd stop using the language of nazis and fascists people might not make the comparisons.
Just a suggestion.
On October 30 2018 04:13 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 04:06 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2018 03:56 xDaunt wrote:
Of course she's being attacked personally. As is the Trump administration. The media is going out of its way to juxtapose Trump with Nazis, yet they wonder why he calls them "the enemy of the people." 9 people were gunned down in an anti-Semitic shooting, but the White House is the victim. Bombs were sent to CNN, but it’s the press’s fault because they are unfair. FYI: That is the job. The press isn’t in the business of praising government. The president has always be the punching bag of the nation when things go wrong. It isn’t a job for the thin skinned. Trump wants to be praised, which isn’t a thing that happens in his current job. It’s why he loves dictators so much. In Trump’s own words, he attacks them to discredit them so no one will believe them. It is weird the news reporters instantly fold to a tactic as old as their entire profession. The point is that the White House has nothing to do with the shooting up of a synagogue. Trump is not instigating anti-semitism. Hell, he's the most pro-Jewish president that we've ever had. Yet here is the press needlessly and quite unfairly painting a narrative that Trump is somehow responsible for the actions of a crazed Nazi shooter who already said that he doesn't support Trump because he thinks that Trump is a "globalist." A fair and responsible media would simply leave Trump out of this. But no, they are so in-the-tank, anti-Trump that they can't help themselves but to try and twist every bad thing that happens in this country into being Trump's fault. The press is deserving of every ounce of scorn that the President heaps on it, just as the press is deserving of its cratering credibility in the eyes of the American people.
Do you not care about how often he lies? Is truth literally irrelevant to you now?
Because a big part of why the press are all over him is his constant lying.
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Sanders just said today that Trump was elected by the overwhelming majority of Americans. The first step to not being aggressive questioned by the press is not straight up lie in front of them.
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On October 30 2018 04:44 Plansix wrote:
Sanders just said today that Trump was elected by the overwhelming majority of Americans. The first step to not being aggressive questioned by the press is not straight up lie in front of them.
To quote a bunch of Conservatives; facts don't care about your feelings. And the fact is that Trump and his administration lie to the American people on an industrial scale.
Why your Republican brethren don't care that their own President is lying to them I don't know.
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You guys catch that?
I'm trying to make the point that an honest reflection of this from conservatives/Republicans has to recognize that Trump's leadership on dealing with an increasing terrorist threat has been deficient. That's why (imo) you saw them relish people making the argument that can (however crudely) be reduced to "this is Trump's fault eh? Typical libturd" or whatever. Because that's one where they can equivocate and make the argument about various equivocations instead of the one where they know their core values are challenged. The one where they have to confront the threats of Anti-Semetic/white supremacist terrorists are not only real and significant, but seem to be more frequent and the president isn't dealing with it with the the kind of seriousness and urgency they know they would expect for other terrorists from other presidents.
Or if they want to argue the threat of white supremacy isn't significant (they have in the past), or that Trump is responding to these terrorist attacks sufficiently they have to do it in the context of several terrorist attacks in the last week and no discernible (from my perspective) strategy, let alone a good one, to confront it from Trump. Not even from a strictly national security angle.
Or they can change the subject to somewhere they think Trump looks strong.
White supremacist/anti-Semitic terrorists are certainly a bigger threat than the caravan but you won't see a strong response to the growing terrorist movement in this country from such a weak president like Trump.
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On October 30 2018 05:08 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 04:44 Plansix wrote:
Sanders just said today that Trump was elected by the overwhelming majority of Americans. The first step to not being aggressive questioned by the press is not straight up lie in front of them. To quote a bunch of Conservatives; facts don't care about your feelings. And the fact is that Trump and his administration lie to the American people on an industrial scale. Why your Republican brethren don't care that their own President is lying to them I don't know.
Every day it's becoming "feelings don't care about your facts" more and more. To this day I have seen Trump supporters say very little to their ideological opponents that wasn't blatant projection. The very people who went on a tear calling liberals snowflakes are now upset when their fascist/xenophobic nonsense gets called out in the smallest way. Calling out Fox News for their propaganda, for the part they play in fanning the same flames Trump does, is now viciously attacking them, and calling them the enemy of the people, which is apparently suddenly unacceptable to do. Standing up to Trump and the way he incites violence against journalists is now in line with running someone over or mailing them a bomb. Neo-Nazis are now Very Fine People. Outright lies are now Alternative Facts. I can't wait to see where we manage to get to before this is all over.
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Under reported, but last Thursday in Louisville, a white man tried to break into a black church, failed, and then killed two random black people. It is now labeled a hate crime.
Trumps administration has done a piss poor job of addressing these acts of violence, as GH said. They are to focused on the border and caravans of unarmed starving people.
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On October 30 2018 05:51 GreenHorizons wrote:You guys catch that? Show nested quote +I'm trying to make the point that an honest reflection of this from conservatives/Republicans has to recognize that Trump's leadership on dealing with an increasing terrorist threat has been deficient. That's why (imo) you saw them relish people making the argument that can (however crudely) be reduced to "this is Trump's fault eh? Typical libturd" or whatever. Because that's one where they can equivocate and make the argument about various equivocations instead of the one where they know their core values are challenged. The one where they have to confront the threats of Anti-Semetic/white supremacist terrorists are not only real and significant, but seem to be more frequent and the president isn't dealing with it with the the kind of seriousness and urgency they know they would expect for other terrorists from other presidents.
Or if they want to argue the threat of white supremacy isn't significant (they have in the past), or that Trump is responding to these terrorist attacks sufficiently they have to do it in the context of several terrorist attacks in the last week and no discernible (from my perspective) strategy, let alone a good one, to confront it from Trump. Not even from a strictly national security angle. Or they can change the subject to somewhere they think Trump looks strong. White supremacist/anti-Semitic terrorists are certainly a bigger threat than the caravan but you won't see a strong response to the growing terrorist movement in this country from such a weak president like Trump.
Feel free to outline what you think Trump should be doing to stop lone wolf acts of violence. I'll go ahead and cut to the chase for you: there's nothing to be done unless you are prepared to advocate for massive restrictions on civil liberties. Acts like this weekend's synagogue shooting are criminal and should be treated as such. But until there's a criminal act, there's not much to be done. Sorry, but white supremacism isn't a big enough problem to warrant the type of thought policing that y'all seem to want.
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