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On October 20 2014 18:39 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2014 17:56 OtherWorld wrote:On October 20 2014 17:54 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 20 2014 17:24 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:18 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 20 2014 17:16 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:12 OtherWorld wrote:On October 20 2014 17:10 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:09 OtherWorld wrote:On October 20 2014 17:07 Sakat wrote:
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Too much P in the finals
Yeah but they're P that deserve it considering the year they had (well except SD maybe, but Zest and herO definitely deserve it) I would say that Zest deserves the finals. hero... semis, at most. But he's the best player in PL this year. And everyone complained how PL players had no chance of being represented at Blizzcon D: As far as WCS, PL doesn't count. If we only include Premier events, he had 1 win and 2 runner-ups. For comparison, Bomber had 3 wins and 1 runner-up. That way, Bomber deserves it more  (I was only looking at the top side of the bracket) He knows PL doesn't count, he's saying that lots of people think PL should count, and if it did, herO would be legitimized more than any other player. I don't know about that. I find it difficult to se how you could implement WCS point into PL. Maybe just have more individual tournamnets in Korea. herOs GSL run was pretty bad this year, and I know that PL could be the reason behind this. But, he did really well in the Kespa cup. I think that it would be better for players on Kespa teams to have more tournaments giving out WCS points in Korea, so they can compete. Or more GSL seasons. Three does seem like a pretty small number I can't tell if you're still disagreeing with the idea of herO deserving to make it to the finals (I don't think he does, but OtherWorld's argument is interesting), or if you've moved on completely to WCS/PL. I agree that there need to be tons more KR events. Tons, tons more. Looking them up by Aligulac, Zest attended something like 7 Premier tournaments in 2014 and Polt attended 18. I might be off by one or two in either case, it's way too early in the AM to be doing math, but the point is the AM/EU globe-trotters have almost double the opportunities to rack up points that Koreans do. That's absurd. It's not Blizzard's fault that Kespa chooses to prioritize PL over WCS, but Blizzard isn't falling over themselves trying to rectify this mess, that's for sure. Blizzcon is supposed to be legitimate in a way that individual tournaments never can by rewarding consistency over the course of a year and devaluing flukey results. Obviously it's got a long fucking way to go if soO is in tenth place and Jjakji and MMA are both ahead of Innovation. We desperately need more tournaments in KR, but who is going to organize them and with which money? It's not just about doing "more," it's about doing it "right" (in Kespa's eyes). Let's open this up further. I think it's safe to say that the main interest for Korean organizers/Kespa in SC2 is not money, but brand recognition. They've got the strongest players, if they just wanted to rake in the cash, it would be in their best interests to send those players out more frequently to gather up those Western dollars. We've seen what happens when they do - sOs takes first and herO takes second. Far more often, we get situations like players under-preparing for their Code S groups because of Proleague considerations, or CJ Entus players infamously not bothering to qualify at all. This is in stark contrast to the West. Here, there's no emphasis on teams at all and events like ATSC are basically grassroots efforts. It makes sense - SC doesn't naturally lend itself to being a team sport - but it's a pretty serious gap that must factor into the way Kespa perceive foreign events. If, for example, one DH or IEM per year did a 3-day team free-for-all instead of the standard individual league stuff, and there was a big hubbub about different teams, and the words "SKT T1" and "CJ Entus" were repeated fifty times an hour, I think that would cause Kespa to reevaluate their insular ways. Not that it'll ever happen. The other thing is we just don't know what sort of talks Blizzard and Kespa have had behind closed doors. It's conceivable that Blizzard set a hard cap on how many WCS points KR can give out total. Blizzard has a vested interest in seeing a roughly equal split of players from each region at BlizzCon, probably even skewed towards AM/EU, so would they really allow for the possibility of Kespa making up five new tournaments tomorrow just because Azubu came into a couple of new millions? I don't mean to start any conspiracy theories, but if I were in Blizzard's shoes I'd definitely consider implementing a hard cap. Is there not enough money in Korean SC2 to fuel more tournaments? I have no idea, I'd love to hear from people who do. Proleague is bigger than ever, so I doubt they're in financial straits.
It's an interesting point. However I honestly don't think KeSPA players going to foreign events means free cash for them (remember Snute getting out of that group in IEM Shanghai while Stork and TRUE didn't? Remember herO and sOs getting eliminated from IEM Toronto by Snute? Remember Cure getting destroyed by Bomber in RB Washington? Zest getting 3-0'd by TaeJa? etc etc) because the real KeSPA effect imo is in the preparation and the team organization that allows for a lot of studying of your opponent, which is almost useless in foreign tournament context.
But yeah I do agree that sometimes they seem to act a bit "insular". And yes I do think that money is lacking in the KR scene right now. PL is doing alright, but they're really the only ones, since GSL is not even doing the GSL Finals in a real venue. And there are so much players in KR that I don't see why additionnal tournaments would be badly received.
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On October 20 2014 18:50 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2014 18:39 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 20 2014 17:56 OtherWorld wrote:On October 20 2014 17:54 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 20 2014 17:24 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:18 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 20 2014 17:16 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:12 OtherWorld wrote:On October 20 2014 17:10 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:09 OtherWorld wrote:
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Yeah but they're P that deserve it considering the year they had (well except SD maybe, but Zest and herO definitely deserve it) I would say that Zest deserves the finals. hero... semis, at most. But he's the best player in PL this year. And everyone complained how PL players had no chance of being represented at Blizzcon D: As far as WCS, PL doesn't count. If we only include Premier events, he had 1 win and 2 runner-ups. For comparison, Bomber had 3 wins and 1 runner-up. That way, Bomber deserves it more (I was only looking at the top side of the bracket) He knows PL doesn't count, he's saying that lots of people think PL should count, and if it did, herO would be legitimized more than any other player. I don't know about that. I find it difficult to se how you could implement WCS point into PL. Maybe just have more individual tournamnets in Korea. herOs GSL run was pretty bad this year, and I know that PL could be the reason behind this. But, he did really well in the Kespa cup. I think that it would be better for players on Kespa teams to have more tournaments giving out WCS points in Korea, so they can compete. Or more GSL seasons. Three does seem like a pretty small number I can't tell if you're still disagreeing with the idea of herO deserving to make it to the finals (I don't think he does, but OtherWorld's argument is interesting), or if you've moved on completely to WCS/PL. I agree that there need to be tons more KR events. Tons, tons more. Looking them up by Aligulac, Zest attended something like 7 Premier tournaments in 2014 and Polt attended 18. I might be off by one or two in either case, it's way too early in the AM to be doing math, but the point is the AM/EU globe-trotters have almost double the opportunities to rack up points that Koreans do. That's absurd. It's not Blizzard's fault that Kespa chooses to prioritize PL over WCS, but Blizzard isn't falling over themselves trying to rectify this mess, that's for sure. Blizzcon is supposed to be legitimate in a way that individual tournaments never can by rewarding consistency over the course of a year and devaluing flukey results. Obviously it's got a long fucking way to go if soO is in tenth place and Jjakji and MMA are both ahead of Innovation. We desperately need more tournaments in KR, but who is going to organize them and with which money? It's not just about doing "more," it's about doing it "right" (in Kespa's eyes). Let's open this up further. I think it's safe to say that the main interest for Korean organizers/Kespa in SC2 is not money, but brand recognition. They've got the strongest players, if they just wanted to rake in the cash, it would be in their best interests to send those players out more frequently to gather up those Western dollars. We've seen what happens when they do - sOs takes first and herO takes second. Far more often, we get situations like players under-preparing for their Code S groups because of Proleague considerations, or CJ Entus players infamously not bothering to qualify at all. This is in stark contrast to the West. Here, there's no emphasis on teams at all and events like ATSC are basically grassroots efforts. It makes sense - SC doesn't naturally lend itself to being a team sport - but it's a pretty serious gap that must factor into the way Kespa perceive foreign events. If, for example, one DH or IEM per year did a 3-day team free-for-all instead of the standard individual league stuff, and there was a big hubbub about different teams, and the words "SKT T1" and "CJ Entus" were repeated fifty times an hour, I think that would cause Kespa to reevaluate their insular ways. Not that it'll ever happen. The other thing is we just don't know what sort of talks Blizzard and Kespa have had behind closed doors. It's conceivable that Blizzard set a hard cap on how many WCS points KR can give out total. Blizzard has a vested interest in seeing a roughly equal split of players from each region at BlizzCon, probably even skewed towards AM/EU, so would they really allow for the possibility of Kespa making up five new tournaments tomorrow just because Azubu came into a couple of new millions? I don't mean to start any conspiracy theories, but if I were in Blizzard's shoes I'd definitely consider implementing a hard cap. Is there not enough money in Korean SC2 to fuel more tournaments? I have no idea, I'd love to hear from people who do. Proleague is bigger than ever, so I doubt they're in financial straits. It's an interesting point. However I honestly don't think KeSPA players going to foreign events means free cash for them (remember Snute getting out of that group in IEM Shanghai while Stork and TRUE didn't? Remember herO and sOs getting eliminated from IEM Toronto by Snute? Remember Cure getting destroyed by Bomber in RB Washington? Zest getting 3-0'd by TaeJa? etc etc) because the real KeSPA effect imo is in the preparation and the team organization that allows for a lot of studying of your opponent, which is almost useless in foreign tournament context. But yeah I do agree that sometimes they seem to act a bit "insular". And yes I do think that money is lacking in the KR scene right now. PL is doing alright, but they're really the only ones, since GSL is not even doing the GSL Finals in a real venue. And there are so much players in KR that I don't see why additionnal tournaments would be badly received.
I think we're actually seeing the KR scene slowly reviving after being in super bad shape. PL attendance has been way up this year compared to last year. Olimoleague is providing regular online content (kinda like the old ESV weekly did). It's not much, but it's something. We're definitely not at big weekend tournaments yet, but who knows what the future holds...
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On October 20 2014 19:40 LoneYoShi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2014 18:50 OtherWorld wrote:On October 20 2014 18:39 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 20 2014 17:56 OtherWorld wrote:On October 20 2014 17:54 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 20 2014 17:24 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:18 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 20 2014 17:16 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:12 OtherWorld wrote:On October 20 2014 17:10 Sakat wrote:
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I would say that Zest deserves the finals. hero... semis, at most. But he's the best player in PL this year. And everyone complained how PL players had no chance of being represented at Blizzcon D: As far as WCS, PL doesn't count. If we only include Premier events, he had 1 win and 2 runner-ups. For comparison, Bomber had 3 wins and 1 runner-up. That way, Bomber deserves it more (I was only looking at the top side of the bracket) He knows PL doesn't count, he's saying that lots of people think PL should count, and if it did, herO would be legitimized more than any other player. I don't know about that. I find it difficult to se how you could implement WCS point into PL. Maybe just have more individual tournamnets in Korea. herOs GSL run was pretty bad this year, and I know that PL could be the reason behind this. But, he did really well in the Kespa cup. I think that it would be better for players on Kespa teams to have more tournaments giving out WCS points in Korea, so they can compete. Or more GSL seasons. Three does seem like a pretty small number I can't tell if you're still disagreeing with the idea of herO deserving to make it to the finals (I don't think he does, but OtherWorld's argument is interesting), or if you've moved on completely to WCS/PL. I agree that there need to be tons more KR events. Tons, tons more. Looking them up by Aligulac, Zest attended something like 7 Premier tournaments in 2014 and Polt attended 18. I might be off by one or two in either case, it's way too early in the AM to be doing math, but the point is the AM/EU globe-trotters have almost double the opportunities to rack up points that Koreans do. That's absurd. It's not Blizzard's fault that Kespa chooses to prioritize PL over WCS, but Blizzard isn't falling over themselves trying to rectify this mess, that's for sure. Blizzcon is supposed to be legitimate in a way that individual tournaments never can by rewarding consistency over the course of a year and devaluing flukey results. Obviously it's got a long fucking way to go if soO is in tenth place and Jjakji and MMA are both ahead of Innovation. We desperately need more tournaments in KR, but who is going to organize them and with which money? It's not just about doing "more," it's about doing it "right" (in Kespa's eyes). Let's open this up further. I think it's safe to say that the main interest for Korean organizers/Kespa in SC2 is not money, but brand recognition. They've got the strongest players, if they just wanted to rake in the cash, it would be in their best interests to send those players out more frequently to gather up those Western dollars. We've seen what happens when they do - sOs takes first and herO takes second. Far more often, we get situations like players under-preparing for their Code S groups because of Proleague considerations, or CJ Entus players infamously not bothering to qualify at all. This is in stark contrast to the West. Here, there's no emphasis on teams at all and events like ATSC are basically grassroots efforts. It makes sense - SC doesn't naturally lend itself to being a team sport - but it's a pretty serious gap that must factor into the way Kespa perceive foreign events. If, for example, one DH or IEM per year did a 3-day team free-for-all instead of the standard individual league stuff, and there was a big hubbub about different teams, and the words "SKT T1" and "CJ Entus" were repeated fifty times an hour, I think that would cause Kespa to reevaluate their insular ways. Not that it'll ever happen. The other thing is we just don't know what sort of talks Blizzard and Kespa have had behind closed doors. It's conceivable that Blizzard set a hard cap on how many WCS points KR can give out total. Blizzard has a vested interest in seeing a roughly equal split of players from each region at BlizzCon, probably even skewed towards AM/EU, so would they really allow for the possibility of Kespa making up five new tournaments tomorrow just because Azubu came into a couple of new millions? I don't mean to start any conspiracy theories, but if I were in Blizzard's shoes I'd definitely consider implementing a hard cap. Is there not enough money in Korean SC2 to fuel more tournaments? I have no idea, I'd love to hear from people who do. Proleague is bigger than ever, so I doubt they're in financial straits. It's an interesting point. However I honestly don't think KeSPA players going to foreign events means free cash for them (remember Snute getting out of that group in IEM Shanghai while Stork and TRUE didn't? Remember herO and sOs getting eliminated from IEM Toronto by Snute? Remember Cure getting destroyed by Bomber in RB Washington? Zest getting 3-0'd by TaeJa? etc etc) because the real KeSPA effect imo is in the preparation and the team organization that allows for a lot of studying of your opponent, which is almost useless in foreign tournament context. But yeah I do agree that sometimes they seem to act a bit "insular". And yes I do think that money is lacking in the KR scene right now. PL is doing alright, but they're really the only ones, since GSL is not even doing the GSL Finals in a real venue. And there are so much players in KR that I don't see why additionnal tournaments would be badly received. I think we're actually seeing the KR scene slowly reviving after being in super bad shape. PL attendance has been way up this year compared to last year. Olimoleague is providing regular online content (kinda like the old ESV weekly did). It's not much, but it's something. We're definitely not at big weekend tournaments yet, but who knows what the future holds...
Yes, that's true. Wasn't there a rumor of PL organizing a GSL-style single player tournament too?
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Who can vote for JD as most handsome player ?!
MMA obviously is, and hero (CJ) right next.
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On October 20 2014 19:55 hfsrj wrote:
Who can vote for JD as most handsome player ?!
MMA obviously is, and hero (CJ) right next.
I know a few Zest fans who would disagree... :-)
(and they probably will, very loudly, in this thread, very soon)
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On October 20 2014 19:43 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2014 19:40 LoneYoShi wrote:On October 20 2014 18:50 OtherWorld wrote:On October 20 2014 18:39 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 20 2014 17:56 OtherWorld wrote:On October 20 2014 17:54 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 20 2014 17:24 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:18 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 20 2014 17:16 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:12 OtherWorld wrote:
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But he's the best player in PL this year. And everyone complained how PL players had no chance of being represented at Blizzcon D: As far as WCS, PL doesn't count. If we only include Premier events, he had 1 win and 2 runner-ups. For comparison, Bomber had 3 wins and 1 runner-up. That way, Bomber deserves it more (I was only looking at the top side of the bracket) He knows PL doesn't count, he's saying that lots of people think PL should count, and if it did, herO would be legitimized more than any other player. I don't know about that. I find it difficult to se how you could implement WCS point into PL. Maybe just have more individual tournamnets in Korea. herOs GSL run was pretty bad this year, and I know that PL could be the reason behind this. But, he did really well in the Kespa cup. I think that it would be better for players on Kespa teams to have more tournaments giving out WCS points in Korea, so they can compete. Or more GSL seasons. Three does seem like a pretty small number I can't tell if you're still disagreeing with the idea of herO deserving to make it to the finals (I don't think he does, but OtherWorld's argument is interesting), or if you've moved on completely to WCS/PL. I agree that there need to be tons more KR events. Tons, tons more. Looking them up by Aligulac, Zest attended something like 7 Premier tournaments in 2014 and Polt attended 18. I might be off by one or two in either case, it's way too early in the AM to be doing math, but the point is the AM/EU globe-trotters have almost double the opportunities to rack up points that Koreans do. That's absurd. It's not Blizzard's fault that Kespa chooses to prioritize PL over WCS, but Blizzard isn't falling over themselves trying to rectify this mess, that's for sure. Blizzcon is supposed to be legitimate in a way that individual tournaments never can by rewarding consistency over the course of a year and devaluing flukey results. Obviously it's got a long fucking way to go if soO is in tenth place and Jjakji and MMA are both ahead of Innovation. We desperately need more tournaments in KR, but who is going to organize them and with which money? It's not just about doing "more," it's about doing it "right" (in Kespa's eyes). Let's open this up further. I think it's safe to say that the main interest for Korean organizers/Kespa in SC2 is not money, but brand recognition. They've got the strongest players, if they just wanted to rake in the cash, it would be in their best interests to send those players out more frequently to gather up those Western dollars. We've seen what happens when they do - sOs takes first and herO takes second. Far more often, we get situations like players under-preparing for their Code S groups because of Proleague considerations, or CJ Entus players infamously not bothering to qualify at all. This is in stark contrast to the West. Here, there's no emphasis on teams at all and events like ATSC are basically grassroots efforts. It makes sense - SC doesn't naturally lend itself to being a team sport - but it's a pretty serious gap that must factor into the way Kespa perceive foreign events. If, for example, one DH or IEM per year did a 3-day team free-for-all instead of the standard individual league stuff, and there was a big hubbub about different teams, and the words "SKT T1" and "CJ Entus" were repeated fifty times an hour, I think that would cause Kespa to reevaluate their insular ways. Not that it'll ever happen. The other thing is we just don't know what sort of talks Blizzard and Kespa have had behind closed doors. It's conceivable that Blizzard set a hard cap on how many WCS points KR can give out total. Blizzard has a vested interest in seeing a roughly equal split of players from each region at BlizzCon, probably even skewed towards AM/EU, so would they really allow for the possibility of Kespa making up five new tournaments tomorrow just because Azubu came into a couple of new millions? I don't mean to start any conspiracy theories, but if I were in Blizzard's shoes I'd definitely consider implementing a hard cap. Is there not enough money in Korean SC2 to fuel more tournaments? I have no idea, I'd love to hear from people who do. Proleague is bigger than ever, so I doubt they're in financial straits. It's an interesting point. However I honestly don't think KeSPA players going to foreign events means free cash for them (remember Snute getting out of that group in IEM Shanghai while Stork and TRUE didn't? Remember herO and sOs getting eliminated from IEM Toronto by Snute? Remember Cure getting destroyed by Bomber in RB Washington? Zest getting 3-0'd by TaeJa? etc etc) because the real KeSPA effect imo is in the preparation and the team organization that allows for a lot of studying of your opponent, which is almost useless in foreign tournament context. But yeah I do agree that sometimes they seem to act a bit "insular". And yes I do think that money is lacking in the KR scene right now. PL is doing alright, but they're really the only ones, since GSL is not even doing the GSL Finals in a real venue. And there are so much players in KR that I don't see why additionnal tournaments would be badly received. I think we're actually seeing the KR scene slowly reviving after being in super bad shape. PL attendance has been way up this year compared to last year. Olimoleague is providing regular online content (kinda like the old ESV weekly did). It's not much, but it's something. We're definitely not at big weekend tournaments yet, but who knows what the future holds... Yes, that's true. Wasn't there a rumor of PL organizing a GSL-style single player tournament too?
Yeah, I vaguely remember something like that. Would be nice to have more big individual tournaments in Korea for sure.
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On October 20 2014 17:52 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2014 17:44 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:43 LoneYoShi wrote:On October 20 2014 17:32 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:32 LoneYoShi wrote:
Do we have a date for more details about the next season of WCS ? I suppose Blizz's gonna tell us through the "What's next panel" at Blizzcon ? I hope that's LOTV news to be honest I sure hope so as well, but it could "only" be their plans for the oncoming season of WCS of which we still don't know anything not much about... I fear Legacy could go the way of Starcraft ghost  And I think it won't be, because they have a separate panel for SC multiplayer WHAT? I don't see any reason why they would cancel it (especially after just cancelling Titan). There were clear reasons for those (titan, ghost, wc adventures) to be cancelled but why would they cancel an expansion (especially when the story is still there for single player)?
Because they are acting as if it doesn't exist...
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On October 20 2014 20:14 LoneYoShi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2014 19:55 hfsrj wrote:
Who can vote for JD as most handsome player ?!
MMA obviously is, and hero (CJ) right next. I know a few Zest fans who would disagree... :-) (and they probably will, very loudly, in this thread, very soon)
If you're asking for it...
How can you not include Zest?
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On October 20 2014 19:55 hfsrj wrote:
Who can vote for JD as most handsome player ?!
MMA obviously is, and hero (CJ) right next.
You got it wrong. JD, Zest and then the others 
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On October 20 2014 17:54 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2014 17:24 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:18 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 20 2014 17:16 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:12 OtherWorld wrote:On October 20 2014 17:10 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:09 OtherWorld wrote:On October 20 2014 17:07 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:04 OtherWorld wrote:I looked back at last year's BlizzCon, and at the seedings in particular, and it made me realize a few things : -There are the same number of regional representatives in 2013 and 2014 (6 from KR, 5 from AM and 5 from EU), but while last year KR players were in the top half of the rankings (5 of them being in the top8), this year they are clearly towards the bottom half (only one of them being in the top8). EU, Which had no players in the top8 last year, now has 3 ; AM had 3 last year and has 4 this year. -We had even less Zergs last year than this year (2 compared to 4), I forgot that was the case. -Since we're talking about race repartition, Terrans went from 8 to 6 and Protoss still has 6 players. -Surprisingly enough given the disparition of the Season Finals (but I guess Premier Events as well as regional WCS gave more points this year), both  Bomber and  HyuN (#1 and 2 seeds) have more points than Soulkey (#1 Seed) last year. The sum of all players' points is also slightly higher this year (73425, while it was 73125 last year). However, the last seeds -  NaNiwa and Jaedong - have the same amount of points, 3200. - duckdeok was so close to taking out Maru and going all the way. Dammit duckdeok D: - INnoVation, Jaedong, Polt, MC, MMA, Bomber, TaeJa are the only players who went to BlizzCon last year and will this year. Also, Polt and MMA have the same seed as last year (#4 and #9). -Here's a fun bracket based on last year's results (based on the seeds) : + Show Spoiler +Which honestly looks like a pretty cool bracket Too much P in the finals Yeah but they're P that deserve it considering the year they had (well except SD maybe, but Zest and herO definitely deserve it) I would say that Zest deserves the finals. hero... semis, at most. But he's the best player in PL this year. And everyone complained how PL players had no chance of being represented at Blizzcon D: As far as WCS, PL doesn't count. If we only include Premier events, he had 1 win and 2 runner-ups. For comparison, Bomber had 3 wins and 1 runner-up. That way, Bomber deserves it more (I was only looking at the top side of the bracket) He knows PL doesn't count, he's saying that lots of people think PL should count, and if it did, herO would be legitimized more than any other player. I don't know about that. I find it difficult to se how you could implement WCS point into PL. Maybe just have more individual tournamnets in Korea. herOs GSL run was pretty bad this year, and I know that PL could be the reason behind this. But, he did really well in the Kespa cup. I think that it would be better for players on Kespa teams to have more tournaments giving out WCS points in Korea, so they can compete. Or more GSL seasons. Three does seem like a pretty small number I can't tell if you're still disagreeing with the idea of herO deserving to make it to the finals (I don't think he does, but OtherWorld's argument is interesting), or if you've moved on completely to WCS/PL. I agree that there need to be tons more KR events. Tons, tons more. Looking them up by Aligulac, Zest attended something like 7 Premier tournaments in 2014 and Polt attended 18. I might be off by one or two in either case, it's way too early in the AM to be doing math, but the point is the AM/EU globe-trotters have almost double the opportunities to rack up points that Koreans do. That's absurd. It's not Blizzard's fault that Kespa chooses to prioritize PL over WCS, but Blizzard isn't falling over themselves trying to rectify this mess, that's for sure. Blizzcon is supposed to be legitimate in a way that individual tournaments never can by rewarding consistency over the course of a year and devaluing flukey results. Obviously it's got a long fucking way to go if soO is in tenth place and Jjakji and MMA are both ahead of Innovation.
That's basicly what I'm saying.
It's absurd for those players to be ranked higher than soO or Innovation. Last year was good, with the season finals. It balanced out in a way. But, if we aren't going to have season finals any more, than we need more tournamnets in Korea.
I still disagree with herO deserving the finals, because he wasn't consistent enough in individual leagues, and I feel that's the point of the WCS system.
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On October 20 2014 20:17 Sakat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2014 17:52 y0su wrote:On October 20 2014 17:44 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:43 LoneYoShi wrote:On October 20 2014 17:32 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:32 LoneYoShi wrote:
Do we have a date for more details about the next season of WCS ? I suppose Blizz's gonna tell us through the "What's next panel" at Blizzcon ? I hope that's LOTV news to be honest I sure hope so as well, but it could "only" be their plans for the oncoming season of WCS of which we still don't know anything not much about... I fear Legacy could go the way of Starcraft ghost And I think it won't be, because they have a separate panel for SC multiplayer WHAT? I don't see any reason why they would cancel it (especially after just cancelling Titan). There were clear reasons for those (titan, ghost, wc adventures) to be cancelled but why would they cancel an expansion (especially when the story is still there for single player)? Because they are acting as if it doesn't exist...
It hasn't been announced officially yet, so technically, it doesn't exist (even tho they said SC2 was going to be cut into 3 pieces, so they kinda announced it in a way, but they didn't reveal anything yet). It was the same for HotS if my memory is correct (no info at all before the big reveal), so I wouldn't worry about a cancellation tbh.
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On October 20 2014 20:23 LoneYoShi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2014 20:17 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:52 y0su wrote:On October 20 2014 17:44 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:43 LoneYoShi wrote:On October 20 2014 17:32 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:32 LoneYoShi wrote:
Do we have a date for more details about the next season of WCS ? I suppose Blizz's gonna tell us through the "What's next panel" at Blizzcon ? I hope that's LOTV news to be honest I sure hope so as well, but it could "only" be their plans for the oncoming season of WCS of which we still don't know anything not much about... I fear Legacy could go the way of Starcraft ghost And I think it won't be, because they have a separate panel for SC multiplayer WHAT? I don't see any reason why they would cancel it (especially after just cancelling Titan). There were clear reasons for those (titan, ghost, wc adventures) to be cancelled but why would they cancel an expansion (especially when the story is still there for single player)? Because they are acting as if it doesn't exist... It hasn't been announced officially yet. So technically, it doesn't exist. It was the same for HotS if my memory is correct, I wouldn't worry about a cancellation tbh.
well, I got SC2 with HotS, so I don't know how it was then...
But I know that Blizzard have a reputation for cancelling projects
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On October 20 2014 20:26 Sakat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2014 20:23 LoneYoShi wrote:On October 20 2014 20:17 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:52 y0su wrote:On October 20 2014 17:44 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:43 LoneYoShi wrote:On October 20 2014 17:32 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:32 LoneYoShi wrote:
Do we have a date for more details about the next season of WCS ? I suppose Blizz's gonna tell us through the "What's next panel" at Blizzcon ? I hope that's LOTV news to be honest I sure hope so as well, but it could "only" be their plans for the oncoming season of WCS of which we still don't know anything not much about... I fear Legacy could go the way of Starcraft ghost And I think it won't be, because they have a separate panel for SC multiplayer WHAT? I don't see any reason why they would cancel it (especially after just cancelling Titan). There were clear reasons for those (titan, ghost, wc adventures) to be cancelled but why would they cancel an expansion (especially when the story is still there for single player)? Because they are acting as if it doesn't exist... It hasn't been announced officially yet. So technically, it doesn't exist. It was the same for HotS if my memory is correct, I wouldn't worry about a cancellation tbh. well, I got SC2 with HotS, so I don't know how it was then... But I know that Blizzard have a reputation for cancelling projects
There is no way they would cancel LotV. Don't worry, we will hear a lot about it at Blizzcon.
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On October 20 2014 19:55 hfsrj wrote:
Who can vote for JD as most handsome player ?!
MMA obviously is, and hero (CJ) right next.
JD is pretty handsome, that's why.
A lot more understandable than Polt imo.
Zest the best obviously, but that is nothing new. (MMA first though, LOL)
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On October 20 2014 20:26 Sakat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2014 20:23 LoneYoShi wrote:On October 20 2014 20:17 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:52 y0su wrote:On October 20 2014 17:44 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:43 LoneYoShi wrote:On October 20 2014 17:32 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:32 LoneYoShi wrote:
Do we have a date for more details about the next season of WCS ? I suppose Blizz's gonna tell us through the "What's next panel" at Blizzcon ? I hope that's LOTV news to be honest I sure hope so as well, but it could "only" be their plans for the oncoming season of WCS of which we still don't know anything not much about... I fear Legacy could go the way of Starcraft ghost And I think it won't be, because they have a separate panel for SC multiplayer WHAT? I don't see any reason why they would cancel it (especially after just cancelling Titan). There were clear reasons for those (titan, ghost, wc adventures) to be cancelled but why would they cancel an expansion (especially when the story is still there for single player)? Because they are acting as if it doesn't exist... It hasn't been announced officially yet. So technically, it doesn't exist. It was the same for HotS if my memory is correct, I wouldn't worry about a cancellation tbh. well, I got SC2 with HotS, so I don't know how it was then... But I know that Blizzard have a reputation for cancelling projects
They only cancelled 3 "big" games that already had an important development process iirc (Titan, Ghost and a Warcraft game based around Thrall). They are/were mostly known for making good games and taking a lot of time to make them better. I really wouldn't worry about a cancellation, keep in mind that it's 60$ and a lot of people that will buy mainly for the campaign
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On October 20 2014 20:30 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2014 20:26 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 20:23 LoneYoShi wrote:On October 20 2014 20:17 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:52 y0su wrote:On October 20 2014 17:44 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:43 LoneYoShi wrote:On October 20 2014 17:32 Sakat wrote:On October 20 2014 17:32 LoneYoShi wrote:
Do we have a date for more details about the next season of WCS ? I suppose Blizz's gonna tell us through the "What's next panel" at Blizzcon ? I hope that's LOTV news to be honest I sure hope so as well, but it could "only" be their plans for the oncoming season of WCS of which we still don't know anything not much about... I fear Legacy could go the way of Starcraft ghost And I think it won't be, because they have a separate panel for SC multiplayer WHAT? I don't see any reason why they would cancel it (especially after just cancelling Titan). There were clear reasons for those (titan, ghost, wc adventures) to be cancelled but why would they cancel an expansion (especially when the story is still there for single player)? Because they are acting as if it doesn't exist... It hasn't been announced officially yet. So technically, it doesn't exist. It was the same for HotS if my memory is correct, I wouldn't worry about a cancellation tbh. well, I got SC2 with HotS, so I don't know how it was then... But I know that Blizzard have a reputation for cancelling projects They only cancelled 3 "big" games that already had an important development process iirc (Titan, Ghost and a Warcraft game based around Thrall). They are/were mostly known for making good games and taking a lot of time to make them better. I really wouldn't worry about a cancellation, keep in mind that it's 60$ and a lot of people that will buy mainly for the campaign
I definitely will
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Also EU guys we already beat the expectations of our fellow AM spammers, good job
On October 20 2014 12:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2014 12:36 The_Templar wrote:On October 20 2014 12:35 Cricketer12 wrote:fine imma sleep too, lets see how far this goes without us About 2 pages I'm guessing I'll give it maybe 1
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Yeah i know 3 pages is nothing to be proud of, but well d:
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Oh nice !! i'm still in the passion board :p
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On October 20 2014 20:40 OtherWorld wrote:Also EU guys we already beat the expectations of our fellow AM spammers, good job Show nested quote +On October 20 2014 12:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 20 2014 12:36 The_Templar wrote:On October 20 2014 12:35 Cricketer12 wrote:fine imma sleep too, lets see how far this goes without us About 2 pages I'm guessing I'll give it maybe 1 + Show Spoiler +
Yeah i know 3 pages is nothing to be proud of, but well d:
We make up our low post output with the higher quality of our posts. No spam, all hype ! ;-D
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On October 20 2014 20:40 OtherWorld wrote:Also EU guys we already beat the expectations of our fellow AM spammers, good job Show nested quote +On October 20 2014 12:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 20 2014 12:36 The_Templar wrote:On October 20 2014 12:35 Cricketer12 wrote:fine imma sleep too, lets see how far this goes without us About 2 pages I'm guessing I'll give it maybe 1 + Show Spoiler +
Yeah i know 3 pages is nothing to be proud of, but well d:
Congratulations to EU hype!!!
We're geting better at this!
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