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Terran:  Flash, Maru, INnoVation, Bomber, MMA, Bunny
Protoss: sOs, Zest, Rain, herO, NaNiwa
Zerg:  Jaedong, soO, Life, Soulkey, Snute
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Now I'm really curious. There will be some huge changes in WCS next year, what is your opinion on it?
If WCS was region locked from the very beginning, would anyone have raised concerns about Koreans being unable to play in other regions? No. I personally never understood why it wasn't region locked to begin with, and then transitioning into 2014 the half-measures of seperated qualifiers into regional and wild card made no difference. In the end, WCS needed to be region locked from the very beginning, but it took 2 years to get there. And now the half measures just hurt overall because the Koreans who established themselves elsewhere have to head home, or be so established that they have the proper papers. Changes were too slow in my opinion, or shouldn't have been needed in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I loved casting the Koreans we had, I loved watching their games and the effect they had on the region as a whole (I can only speak for EU in this regard, as their practice here DID make a difference to the EU players). US on the other hand, mmmm, didn't seem so healthy.
http://www.aceresport.com/en/btsw_kaelaris.htm
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Looks like it leaked. I don't know if people who are aware can talk now.
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On October 30 2014 23:49 AWalker9 wrote:Show nested quote +Now I'm really curious. There will be some huge changes in WCS next year, what is your opinion on it?
If WCS was region locked from the very beginning, would anyone have raised concerns about Koreans being unable to play in other regions? No. I personally never understood why it wasn't region locked to begin with, and then transitioning into 2014 the half-measures of seperated qualifiers into regional and wild card made no difference. In the end, WCS needed to be region locked from the very beginning, but it took 2 years to get there. And now the half measures just hurt overall because the Koreans who established themselves elsewhere have to head home, or be so established that they have the proper papers. Changes were too slow in my opinion, or shouldn't have been needed in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I loved casting the Koreans we had, I loved watching their games and the effect they had on the region as a whole (I can only speak for EU in this regard, as their practice here DID make a difference to the EU players). US on the other hand, mmmm, didn't seem so healthy. http://www.aceresport.com/en/btsw_kaelaris.htm
Region locking will be the death of WCS NA. The people who still watch starcraft care about good games, not personalities and only watching foreigners. Those people switched to different games a long time ago. Too late, we can't switch back now. No one who watches starcraft wants to see Bails vs Intense or something like that in the Ro8.
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On October 30 2014 23:52 Aeromi wrote:
Looks like it leaked. I don't know if people who are aware can talk now.
It? What does that mean?
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On October 30 2014 23:48 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 23:43 OtherWorld wrote:Well, might as well make mine too^^ Terrans : Flash, Maru, MMA, Bomber, Polt, BbyongProtosses : sOs, Zest, herO, Rain, TrapZergs : soO, Jaedong, Snute, Life, HyuNPlay that on a map pool of Habitation, Fruitland, Bel'shir, Frost, Kamala Park, Bridgehead and Overgrowth and I'm a happy man My map pool is Frost, Bridgehead, Emerald Plaza, The Path Not Taken, KTV Carozo, Orichalcum, and Color Crush.
You, sir, have good taste in maps :D Just not a fan of Color Crush, but the rest is pretty cool. I'd put in Ember Fortress, Passage to Paradise and Expedition Lost in it as well
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On October 30 2014 23:56 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 23:48 The_Templar wrote:On October 30 2014 23:43 OtherWorld wrote:Well, might as well make mine too^^ Terrans : Flash, Maru, MMA, Bomber, Polt, BbyongProtosses : sOs, Zest, herO, Rain, TrapZergs : soO, Jaedong, Snute, Life, HyuNPlay that on a map pool of Habitation, Fruitland, Bel'shir, Frost, Kamala Park, Bridgehead and Overgrowth and I'm a happy man My map pool is Frost, Bridgehead, Emerald Plaza, The Path Not Taken, KTV Carozo, Orichalcum, and Color Crush. You, sir, have good taste in maps :D Just not a fan of Color Crush, but the rest is pretty cool. I'd put in Ember Fortress, Passage to Paradise and Expedition Lost in it as well
Man, I need to browse the map forum more (or at all). I don't know any of these.
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On October 30 2014 23:56 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 23:48 The_Templar wrote:On October 30 2014 23:43 OtherWorld wrote:Well, might as well make mine too^^ Terrans : Flash, Maru, MMA, Bomber, Polt, BbyongProtosses : sOs, Zest, herO, Rain, TrapZergs : soO, Jaedong, Snute, Life, HyuNPlay that on a map pool of Habitation, Fruitland, Bel'shir, Frost, Kamala Park, Bridgehead and Overgrowth and I'm a happy man My map pool is Frost, Bridgehead, Emerald Plaza, The Path Not Taken, KTV Carozo, Orichalcum, and Color Crush. You, sir, have good taste in maps :D Just not a fan of Color Crush, but the rest is pretty cool. I'd put in Ember Fortress, Passage to Paradise and Expedition Lost in it as well
Yeah, those are pretty cool too. I probably would replace Frost with Expedition Lost, except there needs to be a large macro map besides Color Crush.
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On October 30 2014 23:49 AWalker9 wrote:Show nested quote +Now I'm really curious. There will be some huge changes in WCS next year, what is your opinion on it?
If WCS was region locked from the very beginning, would anyone have raised concerns about Koreans being unable to play in other regions? No. I personally never understood why it wasn't region locked to begin with, and then transitioning into 2014 the half-measures of seperated qualifiers into regional and wild card made no difference. In the end, WCS needed to be region locked from the very beginning, but it took 2 years to get there. And now the half measures just hurt overall because the Koreans who established themselves elsewhere have to head home, or be so established that they have the proper papers. Changes were too slow in my opinion, or shouldn't have been needed in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I loved casting the Koreans we had, I loved watching their games and the effect they had on the region as a whole (I can only speak for EU in this regard, as their practice here DID make a difference to the EU players). US on the other hand, mmmm, didn't seem so healthy. http://www.aceresport.com/en/btsw_kaelaris.htm
Uh oh. I'm starting to feel bad for all the Koreans who emigrated to EU
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On October 30 2014 23:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 23:49 AWalker9 wrote:Now I'm really curious. There will be some huge changes in WCS next year, what is your opinion on it?
If WCS was region locked from the very beginning, would anyone have raised concerns about Koreans being unable to play in other regions? No. I personally never understood why it wasn't region locked to begin with, and then transitioning into 2014 the half-measures of seperated qualifiers into regional and wild card made no difference. In the end, WCS needed to be region locked from the very beginning, but it took 2 years to get there. And now the half measures just hurt overall because the Koreans who established themselves elsewhere have to head home, or be so established that they have the proper papers. Changes were too slow in my opinion, or shouldn't have been needed in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I loved casting the Koreans we had, I loved watching their games and the effect they had on the region as a whole (I can only speak for EU in this regard, as their practice here DID make a difference to the EU players). US on the other hand, mmmm, didn't seem so healthy. http://www.aceresport.com/en/btsw_kaelaris.htm Region locking will be the death of WCS NA. The people who still watch starcraft care about good games, not personalities and only watching foreigners. Those people switched to different games a long time ago. Too late, we can't switch back now. No one who watches starcraft wants to see Bails vs Intense or something like that in the Ro8.
I don't agree at all.
There are people who prefer the highest lvl of play (on TL this group might even be the largest), but there are also fans of Huk, Major, Scarlett, Puck, Snute, etc who will watch the shit out of region locked WCS tournaments.
I don't think that the numbers will drop at all tbh.
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On October 31 2014 00:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 23:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 30 2014 23:49 AWalker9 wrote:Now I'm really curious. There will be some huge changes in WCS next year, what is your opinion on it?
If WCS was region locked from the very beginning, would anyone have raised concerns about Koreans being unable to play in other regions? No. I personally never understood why it wasn't region locked to begin with, and then transitioning into 2014 the half-measures of seperated qualifiers into regional and wild card made no difference. In the end, WCS needed to be region locked from the very beginning, but it took 2 years to get there. And now the half measures just hurt overall because the Koreans who established themselves elsewhere have to head home, or be so established that they have the proper papers. Changes were too slow in my opinion, or shouldn't have been needed in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I loved casting the Koreans we had, I loved watching their games and the effect they had on the region as a whole (I can only speak for EU in this regard, as their practice here DID make a difference to the EU players). US on the other hand, mmmm, didn't seem so healthy. http://www.aceresport.com/en/btsw_kaelaris.htm Region locking will be the death of WCS NA. The people who still watch starcraft care about good games, not personalities and only watching foreigners. Those people switched to different games a long time ago. Too late, we can't switch back now. No one who watches starcraft wants to see Bails vs Intense or something like that in the Ro8. I don't agree at all. There are people who prefer the highest lvl of play (on TL this group might even be the largest), but there are also fans of Huk, Major, Scarlett, Puck, Snute, etc who will watch the shit out of region locked WCS tournaments. I don't think that the numbers will drop at all tbh.
But those players are gonna be in regardless. Of course the best foreigners are popular and people wanna watch them. I'm talking about the rest of the tournament which is now gonna be filled with a bunch of nobodies instead of better and more deserving koreans.
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On October 31 2014 00:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 23:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 30 2014 23:49 AWalker9 wrote:Now I'm really curious. There will be some huge changes in WCS next year, what is your opinion on it?
If WCS was region locked from the very beginning, would anyone have raised concerns about Koreans being unable to play in other regions? No. I personally never understood why it wasn't region locked to begin with, and then transitioning into 2014 the half-measures of seperated qualifiers into regional and wild card made no difference. In the end, WCS needed to be region locked from the very beginning, but it took 2 years to get there. And now the half measures just hurt overall because the Koreans who established themselves elsewhere have to head home, or be so established that they have the proper papers. Changes were too slow in my opinion, or shouldn't have been needed in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I loved casting the Koreans we had, I loved watching their games and the effect they had on the region as a whole (I can only speak for EU in this regard, as their practice here DID make a difference to the EU players). US on the other hand, mmmm, didn't seem so healthy. http://www.aceresport.com/en/btsw_kaelaris.htm Region locking will be the death of WCS NA. The people who still watch starcraft care about good games, not personalities and only watching foreigners. Those people switched to different games a long time ago. Too late, we can't switch back now. No one who watches starcraft wants to see Bails vs Intense or something like that in the Ro8. I don't agree at all. There are people who prefer the highest lvl of play (on TL this group might even be the largest), but there are also fans of Huk, Major, Scarlett, Puck, Snute, etc who will watch the shit out of region locked WCS tournaments. I don't think that the numbers will drop at all tbh.
I'm a Snute fan and I want to see him play against the likes of Flash, herO, or even MMA and Stardust, not against Miniraiser or Sjaak
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Watch gsl for the korean slugfest
blizzcon is for global competition
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On October 31 2014 00:08 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 00:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 30 2014 23:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 30 2014 23:49 AWalker9 wrote:Now I'm really curious. There will be some huge changes in WCS next year, what is your opinion on it?
If WCS was region locked from the very beginning, would anyone have raised concerns about Koreans being unable to play in other regions? No. I personally never understood why it wasn't region locked to begin with, and then transitioning into 2014 the half-measures of seperated qualifiers into regional and wild card made no difference. In the end, WCS needed to be region locked from the very beginning, but it took 2 years to get there. And now the half measures just hurt overall because the Koreans who established themselves elsewhere have to head home, or be so established that they have the proper papers. Changes were too slow in my opinion, or shouldn't have been needed in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I loved casting the Koreans we had, I loved watching their games and the effect they had on the region as a whole (I can only speak for EU in this regard, as their practice here DID make a difference to the EU players). US on the other hand, mmmm, didn't seem so healthy. http://www.aceresport.com/en/btsw_kaelaris.htm Region locking will be the death of WCS NA. The people who still watch starcraft care about good games, not personalities and only watching foreigners. Those people switched to different games a long time ago. Too late, we can't switch back now. No one who watches starcraft wants to see Bails vs Intense or something like that in the Ro8. I don't agree at all. There are people who prefer the highest lvl of play (on TL this group might even be the largest), but there are also fans of Huk, Major, Scarlett, Puck, Snute, etc who will watch the shit out of region locked WCS tournaments. I don't think that the numbers will drop at all tbh. I'm a Snute fan and I want to see him play against the likes of Flash, herO, or even MMA and Stardust, not against Miniraiser or Sjaak
Sure, but that wasn't going to happen anyway, and if it did, he'd mostly get smashed anyway
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On October 31 2014 00:08 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 00:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 30 2014 23:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 30 2014 23:49 AWalker9 wrote:Now I'm really curious. There will be some huge changes in WCS next year, what is your opinion on it?
If WCS was region locked from the very beginning, would anyone have raised concerns about Koreans being unable to play in other regions? No. I personally never understood why it wasn't region locked to begin with, and then transitioning into 2014 the half-measures of seperated qualifiers into regional and wild card made no difference. In the end, WCS needed to be region locked from the very beginning, but it took 2 years to get there. And now the half measures just hurt overall because the Koreans who established themselves elsewhere have to head home, or be so established that they have the proper papers. Changes were too slow in my opinion, or shouldn't have been needed in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I loved casting the Koreans we had, I loved watching their games and the effect they had on the region as a whole (I can only speak for EU in this regard, as their practice here DID make a difference to the EU players). US on the other hand, mmmm, didn't seem so healthy. http://www.aceresport.com/en/btsw_kaelaris.htm Region locking will be the death of WCS NA. The people who still watch starcraft care about good games, not personalities and only watching foreigners. Those people switched to different games a long time ago. Too late, we can't switch back now. No one who watches starcraft wants to see Bails vs Intense or something like that in the Ro8. I don't agree at all. There are people who prefer the highest lvl of play (on TL this group might even be the largest), but there are also fans of Huk, Major, Scarlett, Puck, Snute, etc who will watch the shit out of region locked WCS tournaments. I don't think that the numbers will drop at all tbh. I'm a Snute fan and I want to see him play against the likes of Flash, herO, or even MMA and Stardust, not against Miniraiser or Sjaak
Yes and you are a hardcore sc2 fan.
There are probably other people who will be excited to see a wcs finals of Scarlett vs Polt.
Also "scrappy" foreigner games can be a lot more enjoyable than a nearly perfect game from the best koreans.
I just don't think the whole region lock will affect the viewer numbers negatively at all
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On October 31 2014 00:08 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 00:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 30 2014 23:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 30 2014 23:49 AWalker9 wrote:Now I'm really curious. There will be some huge changes in WCS next year, what is your opinion on it?
If WCS was region locked from the very beginning, would anyone have raised concerns about Koreans being unable to play in other regions? No. I personally never understood why it wasn't region locked to begin with, and then transitioning into 2014 the half-measures of seperated qualifiers into regional and wild card made no difference. In the end, WCS needed to be region locked from the very beginning, but it took 2 years to get there. And now the half measures just hurt overall because the Koreans who established themselves elsewhere have to head home, or be so established that they have the proper papers. Changes were too slow in my opinion, or shouldn't have been needed in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I loved casting the Koreans we had, I loved watching their games and the effect they had on the region as a whole (I can only speak for EU in this regard, as their practice here DID make a difference to the EU players). US on the other hand, mmmm, didn't seem so healthy. http://www.aceresport.com/en/btsw_kaelaris.htm Region locking will be the death of WCS NA. The people who still watch starcraft care about good games, not personalities and only watching foreigners. Those people switched to different games a long time ago. Too late, we can't switch back now. No one who watches starcraft wants to see Bails vs Intense or something like that in the Ro8. I don't agree at all. There are people who prefer the highest lvl of play (on TL this group might even be the largest), but there are also fans of Huk, Major, Scarlett, Puck, Snute, etc who will watch the shit out of region locked WCS tournaments. I don't think that the numbers will drop at all tbh. I'm a Snute fan and I want to see him play against the likes of Flash, herO, or even MMA and Stardust, not against Miniraiser or Sjaak
You just don't wanna see him get smashed by Miniraser again 
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On October 31 2014 00:10 Sakat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 00:08 OtherWorld wrote:On October 31 2014 00:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 30 2014 23:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 30 2014 23:49 AWalker9 wrote:Now I'm really curious. There will be some huge changes in WCS next year, what is your opinion on it?
If WCS was region locked from the very beginning, would anyone have raised concerns about Koreans being unable to play in other regions? No. I personally never understood why it wasn't region locked to begin with, and then transitioning into 2014 the half-measures of seperated qualifiers into regional and wild card made no difference. In the end, WCS needed to be region locked from the very beginning, but it took 2 years to get there. And now the half measures just hurt overall because the Koreans who established themselves elsewhere have to head home, or be so established that they have the proper papers. Changes were too slow in my opinion, or shouldn't have been needed in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I loved casting the Koreans we had, I loved watching their games and the effect they had on the region as a whole (I can only speak for EU in this regard, as their practice here DID make a difference to the EU players). US on the other hand, mmmm, didn't seem so healthy. http://www.aceresport.com/en/btsw_kaelaris.htm Region locking will be the death of WCS NA. The people who still watch starcraft care about good games, not personalities and only watching foreigners. Those people switched to different games a long time ago. Too late, we can't switch back now. No one who watches starcraft wants to see Bails vs Intense or something like that in the Ro8. I don't agree at all. There are people who prefer the highest lvl of play (on TL this group might even be the largest), but there are also fans of Huk, Major, Scarlett, Puck, Snute, etc who will watch the shit out of region locked WCS tournaments. I don't think that the numbers will drop at all tbh. I'm a Snute fan and I want to see him play against the likes of Flash, herO, or even MMA and Stardust, not against Miniraiser or Sjaak Sure, but that wasn't going to happen anyway, and if it did, he'd mostly get smashed anyway
Nah but I was talking about the region lock thing. I mean today Snute can compete against Flash and herO. What allowed him to reach this level of skill is probably more playing against players like MMA or jjakji than against your average mid-tier foreigner. With region lock that would have never happened. Also I'm excited to see Snute play against good Koreans, not against these mid-tier foreigners
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On October 31 2014 00:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 00:08 OtherWorld wrote:On October 31 2014 00:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 30 2014 23:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 30 2014 23:49 AWalker9 wrote:Now I'm really curious. There will be some huge changes in WCS next year, what is your opinion on it?
If WCS was region locked from the very beginning, would anyone have raised concerns about Koreans being unable to play in other regions? No. I personally never understood why it wasn't region locked to begin with, and then transitioning into 2014 the half-measures of seperated qualifiers into regional and wild card made no difference. In the end, WCS needed to be region locked from the very beginning, but it took 2 years to get there. And now the half measures just hurt overall because the Koreans who established themselves elsewhere have to head home, or be so established that they have the proper papers. Changes were too slow in my opinion, or shouldn't have been needed in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I loved casting the Koreans we had, I loved watching their games and the effect they had on the region as a whole (I can only speak for EU in this regard, as their practice here DID make a difference to the EU players). US on the other hand, mmmm, didn't seem so healthy. http://www.aceresport.com/en/btsw_kaelaris.htm Region locking will be the death of WCS NA. The people who still watch starcraft care about good games, not personalities and only watching foreigners. Those people switched to different games a long time ago. Too late, we can't switch back now. No one who watches starcraft wants to see Bails vs Intense or something like that in the Ro8. I don't agree at all. There are people who prefer the highest lvl of play (on TL this group might even be the largest), but there are also fans of Huk, Major, Scarlett, Puck, Snute, etc who will watch the shit out of region locked WCS tournaments. I don't think that the numbers will drop at all tbh. I'm a Snute fan and I want to see him play against the likes of Flash, herO, or even MMA and Stardust, not against Miniraiser or Sjaak Yes and you are a hardcore sc2 fan. There are probably other people who will be excited to see a wcs finals of Scarlett vs Polt. Also "scrappy" foreigner games can be a lot more enjoyable than a nearly perfect game from the best koreans. I just don't think the whole region lock will affect the viewer numbers negatively at all
No see, I'm fine with a Scarlett vs Polt finals, it's lesser than what we have now but still acceptable. It's the tournament leading up to that finals that suffers to most, and is gonna be full of a bunch of crappy NA foreigners that no one knows or cares about.
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