Ukraine Crisis - Page 495

On May 05 2014 22:26 PaleMan wrote:
either is Ghan is trolling hard or he is really propaganda-bot so he doesn't understand that all his post are pro-west propaganda

On May 05 2014 22:31 Ghanburighan wrote:
On a related note, Zatic, if you're still reading this thread, could we have a policy against making wild accusations such as "UN report was handed to him before he left for Ukraine" - they are basically flamebaiting and nothing else.

On May 05 2014 22:37 Mc wrote:
Although the kyivpost article was probably slightly biased, I don't see any false claims it made. Most posters (besides nunez/paleman) would probably agree that it isn't perfect, but it does a decent job summarizing what happened in Odessa.

Ukrainian MP attacks TV station chief for 'pro-Russian' stance | Boss assaulted and forced to resign

Ukrainian TV boss assaulted and forced to resign by far-right Svoboda MPs.
The head of Ukraine's state TV company has been attacked by at least three MPs from the far-right Svoboda party and forced to resign.

Members of Svoboda barged their way into the offices of Aleksandr Panteleymonov, the acting president of the National Television Company of Ukraine on Tuesday night.

They were angry that public broadcaster, First National Channel, had broadcast the Russian Parliament signing a treaty with Crimea on Tuesday.

Yelling and beating Panteleymonov around the head, the men accused him of serving Putin, while there were Ukrainians "dying at the hands of Russian occupiers" and called him "Moscow trash."

They then forced him to sign a letter of resignation.

Ironically, one of the men involved in the assault was the deputy head of Ukraine's committee on freedom of speech.

Members of the Svoboda party filmed the attack and then posted it online.

On May 05 2014 22:42 zatic wrote:

I wish, but to be honest I don't see much hope for this thread. It goes at hundreds of post per day and 90% of it is people from diagonally opposed ends calling the other side out on lies and propaganda. It is near impossible to verify all claims for journalists whose job that is - much less for a volunteer mod staff.

On May 05 2014 22:01 Mc wrote:

2 of the first 3 links on the website's front page seem to be anti-Ukraine and saying more or less what the Kremlin is saying.

I admit I had to run google translate because my Russian isn't very good.
http://www.president-sovet.ru/news/6079/
http://www.president-sovet.ru/news/6078/

So from what I see the council seems to be actually partially pro-kremlin.

From reading the first paragraph of the report in question, you can figure out who worked on the report.


Neither of the names you referred to are mentioned. It appears to me that you failed to do your research properly.

Regardless, do you know what this councils purpose is? For now my assumption is this was a report prepared for the Putin government in order to establish actual facts on the ground, but as I said it's all murky for me due to me only knowing a little bit of Russian.

On May 06 2014 00:36 Mc wrote:
@Nyxisto

The translation (and Paleman implicitly) confirms the veracity of the article (though paleman says it's written by super anti-Kremlin/pro-Western people). The question now is what exactly does this council do.

See my post below (you can see the discussion between Paleman and I in the nested quote, including a not too bad google.translate of the relevant section).

On May 06 2014 00:25 Nyxisto wrote:
So actually this came up in german media today:

http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2014-05/ukraine-putin-wahlfaelschung

The article states that a Russian council close to the Russian president states that the Crimean referendum was falsified and that the actual numbers were closer to 50-60% agreement and 30-50% vote turnout.
The article refers to :
(http://www.president-sovet.ru/structure/gruppa_po_migratsionnoy_politike/materialy/problemy_zhiteley_kryma.php?print=Y)
this document. Can anyone who can read Russian confirm this?

Donetsk Oblast: Militants shot down Mi-24 helicopter: no victims
Monday, May 5. SLAVYANSK – About 2.30 p.m. the Ukrainian Mi-24 helicopter was shot down while targeting and accomplishing task. The helicopter fell into the river. The pilots are undamaged. The operation team of the Anti-Terror Center evacuated them to the camp.

The wing aircraft is allegedly shot down by heavy machine gun.

Source

On May 06 2014 01:27 marigoldran wrote:
Why exactly do these fools want to join with Russia? Close proximity to Russia is correlated with higher levels of corruption, and economic failure. Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. etc. The exceptions are China, Finland, and Turkey, but those countries have their own very distinct cultures and ethnicity independent of Slavic culture and Russian imperialism.

Outside of sentimentality, there's really no good reason why any group of people would want to be part of Russia. There is probably no better way of ruining your country's long term political and economic prospects than to attach it to Russia.

On May 06 2014 01:27 marigoldran wrote:
Why exactly do these fools want to join with Russia? Close proximity to Russia is correlated with higher levels of corruption, and economic failure. Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. etc. The exceptions are China, Finland, and Turkey, but those countries have their own very distinct cultures and ethnicity independent of Slavic culture and Russian imperialism.

Outside of sentimentality, there's really no good reason why any group of people would want to be part of Russia. There is probably no better way of ruining your country's long term political and economic prospects than to attach it to Russia.