Ukraine Crisis - Page 494

On May 05 2014 21:41 zeo wrote:
Unconfirmed reports say 20 people killed in total during battle around Slavyansk

Women murdered by Kiev snipers while on her balcony.

On May 05 2014 21:41 zeo wrote:
Unconfirmed reports say 20 people killed in total during battle around Slavyansk
https://twitter.com/PaulaSlier_RT/statuses/463281649065951233
Women murdered by Kiev snipers while on her balcony.


Disgusting

On May 05 2014 21:45 Ghanburighan wrote:
At least provide sources for those numbers...

It's basically pointless to post numbers at the moment as there's way too much variance. The same sources upgrade and downgrade numbers constantly. Here's an example:

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/463292817884725248

Previously the number was 8 killed... Just hold off with the number posting, it's not sufficiently accurate at the moment for it to do any good. All we really know is that there's some fighting going on.

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Regarding @PaulaSlier_RT, she's probably making all of that up, after all, she works for RT. There's no reason to think after all we've seen that any of their reporting is based on facts. Please post independent sources.

Howard Amos

Talking to Right Sector leader who says 4 of his guys were killed on Friday. 3 are in a critical condition in hospital.

On May 05 2014 21:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

2 things:
By Hammurabi's beard, how did you figure UKR snipers killed her?

Do you remove kebab from the premises?

On May 05 2014 21:23 PaleMan wrote:


"Putin's" website - good to know you know nothing about that structure
this council consists mostly of opposition who are very pro-western
i will give you just 2 names from the list of its staff:
http://www.president-sovet.ru/composition/3080/
http://www.president-sovet.ru/composition/25/

those 2 are the biggest rusophobes and west worshippers i ever knew
whatever USA does - they applause (even Iraq invasion), if Russia does something that USA is not happy with - they start to critisize russian position

so i'm a little surprized their "polls" didn't show that all crimeans wanted to be with Ukraine forever and ever

Проблемы жителей Крыма
Настоящий обзор подготовлен членом Совета Бобровым Е.А., руководителем сети «Миграция и право» ПЦ «Мемориал» С.А. Ганнушкиной и адвокатом Сети Цейтлиной О.П. по результатам посещения городов Симферополь и Севастополь в период с 15 по 18 апреля 2014 г., встреч с должностными лицами органов государственной власти, духовенства, журналистами, общественными деятелями, адвокатами, правозащитниками и гражданами.

Kyiv Post is Ukraine’s leading English-language newspaper. The Kyiv Post played a vital role as one of the few independent media outlets under former President Leonid Kuchma. Over the years, the weekly newspaper has led the charge for a free press in Ukraine, and has played roles in the Georgiy Gongadze scandal, the Orange Revolution and other significant Ukrainian events. It is produced by a team of Western and Ukrainian journalists. Launched in 1995, the newspaper's circulation is 25,000 copies.

On May 05 2014 22:02 Ghanburighan wrote:
Edit: Please stop posting propaganda in this thread. The Kremlin isn't a reliable source of human rights reporting. See the UN report on human rights on the previous page.

On May 05 2014 22:07 zatic wrote:

The point is that even the Kremlin's human rights group calls the Crimea referendum doctored. According to them, where the referendum reported 97% in favor, it was more like 60% with less than 50% turnout.

On May 05 2014 21:53 zeo wrote:

I've only eaten kebab twice in my life, don't like it, burgers much better.

They arn't UKR snipers. They are a militia loyal to Kiev killing Ukrainian citizens.

Violation of human rights and law in Ukraine, must read.
http://eng.news.kremlin.ru/media/events/eng/files/41d4d9d308e6f2ed8a7b.pdf

On May 05 2014 22:02 Ghanburighan wrote:
Hah, Zeo and Nunez (of all people) have finally noticed that we (rightly) say that RT.com and their other sources are biased and now try to label actual free press as biased. Unfortunately, there's no proof for their outlandish claims.

How about we look at what sources that Nunez likes say about Kyiv Post, here's an excerpt from Wikileaks:



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Edit: Please stop posting propaganda in this thread. The Kremlin isn't a reliable source of human rights reporting. See the UN report on human rights on the previous page.

On May 05 2014 22:12 Ghanburighan wrote:


I know, I posted it in the thread..

I meant this post:
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On May 05 2014 22:01 Mc wrote:

2 of the first 3 links on the website's front page seem to be anti-Ukraine and saying more or less what the Kremlin is saying.

I admit I had to run google translate because my Russian isn't very good.
http://www.president-sovet.ru/news/6079/
http://www.president-sovet.ru/news/6078/

So from what I see the council seems to be actually partially pro-kremlin.

From reading the first paragraph of the report in question, you can figure out who worked on the report.


Neither of the names you referred to are mentioned. It appears to me that you failed to do your research properly.

Regardless, do you know what this councils purpose is? For now my assumption is this was a report prepared for the Putin government in order to establish actual facts on the ground, but as I said it's all murky for me due to me only knowing a little bit of Russian.

On May 05 2014 22:02 Ghanburighan wrote:
Edit: Please stop posting propaganda in this thread. The Kremlin isn't a reliable source of human rights reporting. See the UN report on human rights on the previous page.

On May 05 2014 22:18 nunez wrote:
kyivpost not trash? you can't be serious!

On May 05 2014 22:24 zeo wrote:

You mean Ivan Šimonović's report? You mean the guy who was a part of Tuđman's government during the 90's? I can't believe someone actually took that report seriously. Horrible piece of bias that was probably given to him before he left for Ukraine.

Ivan Šimonović assumed his functions as Assistant Secretary-General for Human Rights on 17 July 2010, heading OHCHR’s New York Office.

Before joining the United Nations, from 2008 he held the position of Minister of Justice of Croatia. Previously Mr. Šimonović was Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Permanent Representative to the United Nations in New York, where he served as Senior Vice-President and President of the Economic and Social Council from 2001 to 2003.

A Croatian national, Mr. Šimonović worked as a professor at the Faculty of Law at the University of Zagreb, where he served as Head of the Legal Theory Department, Vice-Dean and Vice-Rector for international cooperation. He has experience and has published extensively in the fields of international relations, law, human rights, and development of national institutions. In an expert capacity, he has been a member of the Council of Europe’s Commission for Democracy through Law (i.e. the Venice Commission) and the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI), as well as the Agent of the Republic of Croatia before the United Nations International Court of Justice (ICJ).

Mr. Šimonović has a graduate degree in law, a master’s degree in public administration and politics, and a Ph.D. from the University of Zagreb and was a visiting scholar at the Universities of Graz and Yale. Mr. Šimonović was born in 1959 in Zagreb, Croatia. He is married with two children.