Ukraine Crisis - Page 493

On May 05 2014 07:34 zeo wrote:
Heroic rescue operation by maidan supporters (don't know if its NSFW but if you don't like seeing people who fall from a burning building get hit with poles... don't watch)

Ukraine crisis: Rebels 'retreating' in Sloviansk
Pro-Russian militants just outside Sloviansk are retreating amid attacks by Ukrainian troops, reports say.

Government forces have taken a TV tower in the suburbs and rebels were pulling back deeper into the city, the Russian Interfax news agency said.

Heavy gunfire could be heard, apparently closer to the centre than in recent days, a Reuters reporter said.

However, a number of Ukrainian troops have been killed in the fighting, the country's interior minister said.

Arsen Avakov could not give the exact death toll, but said up to eight Ukrainian troops had been wounded in an ambush.

Four ambulances were seen near the area and at least two separatist armoured vehicles and several rebels were seen in retreat, Reuters reported.

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Source

On May 05 2014 19:31 zeo wrote:

edit: Oh, and order is restored to Kiev. How do we know? Because right-sector and people setting fire to police for 3 months said so. Hilarious

On May 05 2014 20:06 Cheerio wrote:
I do know, I live here. Order was restored the moment Yanukovich got empeached. That same day the numbers of people on Euromaidan swelled by 5-10 times, people were no longer afraid to be shot. The difference in security in one day was just breathtaking: from a warzone the place turned to the pilgrimage place where entire families with children came to pay respects to the killed activists [there was no celebration of the empeachment].

On February 28 2014 00:26 zeo wrote:

Random lynchings of people by newly formed "militias" on the streets of Kiev:
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Proclaiming Stepan Bandera a hero of Ukraine:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

BRUSSELS - Germany has urged Russia and Ukraine to come back to negotiations in Geneva after a deadly fire in Odessa.

Its foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, told the ARD broadcaster on Sunday (4 May): “In the many discussions I've had in the last couple of hours, I've been campaigning ... to hold a second meeting in Geneva to follow up on the first one.”

He noted the meeting is needed “finally to make clear agreements on how we can put an end to this conflict and gradually move towards a political solution,” adding that “anything else would be irresponsible because it would only mean there are more victims.”

The EU, Russia, Ukraine and the US already held talks in Geneva in April.

But the Western allies and Ukraine accuse Russia of violating the April accord by continuing to foment unrest, while Russia accuses Ukraine of killing Russian-speaking Ukrainians.

In the worst incident since the insurgency began in February, 38 pro-Russian protesters died in a fire in a trade union building in Odessa, southern Ukraine, on Friday.

Ukrainian security services say the protesters caused their own death by throwing molotov cocktails, some of which backfired.

The EU has urged “an independent investigation".

On May 05 2014 20:14 zeo wrote:

Here you go, I'm sure it was safe for the ones doing the lynching

On May 05 2014 20:14 zeo wrote:

Here you go, I'm sure it was safe for the ones doing the lynching

During its mission, the OHCHR delegation was informed that there had been some cases where members of the Russian minority have been harassed or even attacked, such as in the case of the attack against a member of Parliament. While it seems that these violations are neither widespread nor systemic, the delegation endeavoured to collect information on cases of incitement to intolerance or hatred and related violence against all minorities. It noted the following instances:

- Ukrainian businessman and politician who on 4 March was reportedly detained and beaten by the Crimean police and who allegedly called on the crowds in Independence Square, to “shoot at the heads of Russian citizens who are in Crimea… using snipers”;

- On 10 March, in Luhansk, Mr Oleh Lyashko, Leader of the Radical Party of Ukraine and a member of the Ukrainian Parliament, who is supportive of the new coalition Government, together with a group of armed men, allegedly detained Mr Arsen Klinchaev, member of the Luhansk Regional Council and activist of the Young Guard believed to be a pro-Russian organization. The detention was allegedly accompanied with violence and threats;

- In another alleged incident in early March, Mr. Dmytro Yarosh, leader of the Right Sector, who declared his intention to run for presidency during the upcoming elections on 25 May, posted a call on a Russian-language social network vkontakte.com. He allegedly wrote: “Ukrainians have always supported the liberation struggle of the Chechen and other Caucasian peoples. Now it’s the time for you to support Ukraine… As the Right Sector leader, I urge you to step up the fight. Russia is not as strong as it seems”. The Right Sector later denied that its leader made such statements, explaining that his website had been hacked. According to other reports, Mr. Yarosh also allegedly stated that “non-Ukrainians” should be treated according to principles set forth by Ukrainian nationalist leader Stepan Bandera, although such statements were publicly refuted by Mr Yarosh himself.

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Recent developments in the eastern part of Ukraine and in Crimea are likely to have an impact on radical groups with possible signs of nationalistic sentiments and rhetoric and therefore need to be closely monitored. The OHCHR delegation heard from various sides about concerns with regard to the “Right Sector”, a right-wing group that expresses paramilitary ambitions and is known for statements which could be considered extremist. Their active participation in the defence of Maidan and suggested increasing popularity are causing concerns for the Russian-speaking minority. While there has been no confirmed evidence of attacks by the “Right Sector”, including any physical harassment, against minorities, there were numerous reports of their violent acts against political opponents, representatives of the former ruling party and their elected officials. The role of the group during the Maidan protests was prominent; they were often in the first line of defence or allegedly leading the attacks against the law enforcement units. Their alleged involvement in violence and killings of some of the law enforcement members should be also investigated. However, according to all accounts heard by the OHCHR delegation, the fear against the “Right Sector” is disproportionate, although parallels have been drawn by some between this group and past right wing nationalistic movements at the time of the Second World War. On 1 April, the Ukrainian Parliament adopted a decision by which all armed groups, including the Right Sector, must disarm.
Source.

On May 05 2014 19:28 Mc wrote:
@judicatorHammurabi

Unless the website "http://www.president-sovet.ru" is fake (it seems legit), then the report is true- just paleman doesn't know how to use the internet to check sources:

source for kyivpost article

google-translate of the relevant part of the report.

Референдум

По мнению практически всех опрошенных специалистов и граждан:

- подавляющее большинство жителей Севастополя проголосовали на референдуме за присоединение к России (явка 50-80 %), в Крыму по разным данным за присоединение к России проголосовали 50-60 % избирателей при общей явке в 30-50 %;

- жители Крыма голосовали не столько за присоединение к России, сколько за прекращение, по их словам, «коррупционного беспредела и воровского засилья донецких ставленников». Жители же Севастополя голосовали именно за присоединение к России. Опасения перед незаконными вооруженными формированиями в Севастополе были больше, чем в других районах Крыма.

Предложения:

1. Продлить срок принятия жителями Крыма решения о сохранении гражданства Украины, по крайней мере, до 31 декабря 2014 г.

referendum

According to almost all survey participants and citizens :

- The vast majority of inhabitants of Sevastopol voted in a referendum to join Russia ( 50-80 % turnout ) , in Crimea on different data for joining Russia voted 50-60% voter turnout with a total of 30-50 % ;

- Inhabitants of Crimea voted not so much for joining Russia , as for the termination, in their words, " corruption and lawlessness thieves dominance Donetsk henchmen ." Inhabitants of Sevastopol to vote for annexation to Russia . Fears illegal armed groups in Sevastopol were higher than in other regions of the Crimea .

suggestions:

1. Extend Deadline for residents of the Crimea decision to retain the citizenship of Ukraine , at least until December 31, 2014

On May 05 2014 21:05 Mc wrote:
at least you are curious enough to ask. Compare the numbers and tell me that it was a statistical error what Russia was reporting.... I honestly am surprised by what the report claims

I'll use a website that I assume you follow:
http://rt.com/news/crimea-referendum-results-official-250/

and the quote from Putin's website : link


translation:

On May 05 2014 21:05 Mc wrote:
at least you are curious enough to ask. Compare the numbers and tell me that it was a statistical error what Russia was reporting.... I honestly am surprised by what the report claims

I'll use a website that I assume you follow:
http://rt.com/news/crimea-referendum-results-official-250/

and the quote from Putin's website : link


translation:

On May 05 2014 21:19 nunez wrote:
you don't think the fascist, ultranationalist, violent and armed militia was participating in the bloodbath? i think that seems like an easy bet.

‏@howardamos 18h

Here's one Right Sector unit: pic.twitter.com/oWURF3Rwm3
These Right Sector guys leading the way: pic.twitter.com/TNVk6SEyzX