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On May 06 2014 02:37 LocalPredictor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 01:27 marigoldran wrote:
Why exactly do these fools want to join with Russia? Close proximity to Russia is correlated with higher levels of corruption, and economic failure. Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. etc. The exceptions are China, Finland, and Turkey, but those countries have their own very distinct cultures and ethnicity independent of Slavic culture and Russian imperialism.
Outside of sentimentality, there's really no good reason why any group of people would want to be part of Russia. There is probably no better way of ruining your country's long term political and economic prospects than to attach it to Russia. I'm not going to argue about corruption and stuff instead i'll tell you one thing. Those people want to be part of Russia because they feel inextricable connection with it and they are ready to build our common happy future sharing all the hardships with us. Happiness is not measured by money in the Russian lands. That's why we are invincible. Empire shall rise.
Is this supposed to be sarcastic? I honestly can't tell
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Don't know whether to laugh or cry.... ended up laughing:
In an embarrassment for the Ukrainian Army, separatists tricked five soldiers at a checkpoint outside the eastern city of Mariupol into eating food laced with a sleeping potion, then they returned half an hour later and captured the dazed men with their weapons, the Ukrainian military confirmed on Sunday, saying it had issued new regulations limiting what soldiers can accept from apparently friendly civilians. The soldiers were released after negotiations Saturday.
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@LocalPredictor
disregarding your silly rhetoric, I agree with you. A major reason for wanting to defect is that Russians minorities in other countries feel a strong connection to Matiushka Rosija (fuck, even I am 'attracted' to Russian culture even though I am vehemently anti-Putin and I find Russians tend to be aggressive/nihilistic).
The affection for Rosija is compounded by ridiculous Russian anti-Ukrainian propaganda, general dissatisfaction (grass is greener on the other side), and post-Soviet blues.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On May 06 2014 02:37 LocalPredictor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 01:27 marigoldran wrote:
Why exactly do these fools want to join with Russia? Close proximity to Russia is correlated with higher levels of corruption, and economic failure. Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. etc. The exceptions are China, Finland, and Turkey, but those countries have their own very distinct cultures and ethnicity independent of Slavic culture and Russian imperialism.
Outside of sentimentality, there's really no good reason why any group of people would want to be part of Russia. There is probably no better way of ruining your country's long term political and economic prospects than to attach it to Russia. I'm not going to argue about corruption and stuff instead i'll tell you one thing. Those people want to be part of Russia because they feel inextricable connection with it and they are ready to build our common happy future sharing all the hardships with us. Happiness is not measured by money in the Russian lands. That's why we are invincible. Empire shall rise.
we need more quality content like this
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1. Ok, I forgot about the Czechs. I apologize. But on average, geographic proximity to Russia = more corruption and worse economies. Basically, any country that got caught on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain got screwed. Even Czech Republic and Poland- just compare their economy and corruption levels to West Germany or France. And in regards to the Polish- I don't think Poland wants to identify themselves as Slavs for the simple reason that Poland tends to get raped by Russia on multiple and frequent occasions. I could be wrong, but....
2. Russia doesn't have any money to heavily invest anywhere, especially if sanctions grow. Look at their own economy. How are they supposed to support the even worse economies of Crimea and East Ukraine?
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On May 06 2014 02:37 LocalPredictor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 01:27 marigoldran wrote:
Why exactly do these fools want to join with Russia? Close proximity to Russia is correlated with higher levels of corruption, and economic failure. Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. etc. The exceptions are China, Finland, and Turkey, but those countries have their own very distinct cultures and ethnicity independent of Slavic culture and Russian imperialism.
Outside of sentimentality, there's really no good reason why any group of people would want to be part of Russia. There is probably no better way of ruining your country's long term political and economic prospects than to attach it to Russia. I'm not going to argue about corruption and stuff instead i'll tell you one thing. Those people want to be part of Russia because they feel inextricable connection with it and they are ready to build our common happy future sharing all the hardships with us. Happiness is not measured by money in the Russian lands. That's why we are invincible. Empire shall rise.
My point exactly. Outside of sentimentality, or being conquered by a Russian army, why the hell would anyone want to join Russia, of all countries?
The East Ukrainian protesters are like: "our country isn't screwed up enough! Let's join Russia so we can screw up our country even more!"
This sentiment is simply weird. In fact, I'll take it as proof that the FSB and Spec Ops forces are involved. Why would any country in their right minds, and uninfluenced by spec op soldiers, want to become like Russia?
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Russian Federation1953 Posts
average ukrainian lives waaaay worse than average russian
so your point is invalid
oh wait - in my version there is no FSB and Spec Ops, boooooooring
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On May 06 2014 02:58 PaleMan wrote:
average ukrainian lives waaaay worse than average russian
so your point is invalid
oh wait - in my version there is no FSB and Spec Ops, boooooooring
Average Russian life waaaay worse than average European or American.
Also, I did point out that Ukraine's economy is even worse than Russia's, because Ukrainian economy IS basically a Russian economy except without oil.
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On May 06 2014 02:51 marigoldran wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 02:37 LocalPredictor wrote:On May 06 2014 01:27 marigoldran wrote:
Why exactly do these fools want to join with Russia? Close proximity to Russia is correlated with higher levels of corruption, and economic failure. Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. etc. The exceptions are China, Finland, and Turkey, but those countries have their own very distinct cultures and ethnicity independent of Slavic culture and Russian imperialism.
Outside of sentimentality, there's really no good reason why any group of people would want to be part of Russia. There is probably no better way of ruining your country's long term political and economic prospects than to attach it to Russia. I'm not going to argue about corruption and stuff instead i'll tell you one thing. Those people want to be part of Russia because they feel inextricable connection with it and they are ready to build our common happy future sharing all the hardships with us. Happiness is not measured by money in the Russian lands. That's why we are invincible. Empire shall rise. My point exactly. Outside of sentimentality, or being conquered by a Russian army, why the hell would anyone want to join Russia, of all countries? The East Ukrainian protesters are like: "our country isn't screwed up enough! Let's join Russia so we can screw up our country even more!" This sentiment is simply weird. In fact, I'll take it as proof that the FSB and Spec Ops forces are involved. Why would any country in their right minds, and uninfluenced by spec op soldiers, want to become like Russia?
Nobody wants to be a part of Russia, certain people from Lviv and Kiev have it in their heads that they are the only Ukrainians in the country and the only ones 'Ukrainian' enough to rule. These people in eastern Ukraine just want their rights back and to not have to fear catastrophic revolutions every time someone from the east or south of the country wins an election.
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@Marigold
1.) Poles are Slavs, they don't deny it. Denying it won't protect you from Russia... You also forgot about Croatia, Slovakia, Slovenia, who definitely have functioning democracies. I'm pretty sure a few other Slavic countries have had fair elections recently, but their democracies aren't as strong. Do some research... democracy index
2.)Even though Russia's economy sucks they can easily invest money where they care to (*cough* Sochi). Even if Russia doesn't invest in the annexed area, people might believe it will or Russia will invest in projects that look good, but don't really help (*cough* Sochi)
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On May 06 2014 02:51 marigoldran wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 02:37 LocalPredictor wrote:On May 06 2014 01:27 marigoldran wrote:
Why exactly do these fools want to join with Russia? Close proximity to Russia is correlated with higher levels of corruption, and economic failure. Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. etc. The exceptions are China, Finland, and Turkey, but those countries have their own very distinct cultures and ethnicity independent of Slavic culture and Russian imperialism.
Outside of sentimentality, there's really no good reason why any group of people would want to be part of Russia. There is probably no better way of ruining your country's long term political and economic prospects than to attach it to Russia. I'm not going to argue about corruption and stuff instead i'll tell you one thing. Those people want to be part of Russia because they feel inextricable connection with it and they are ready to build our common happy future sharing all the hardships with us. Happiness is not measured by money in the Russian lands. That's why we are invincible. Empire shall rise. My point exactly. Outside of sentimentality, or being conquered by a Russian army, why the hell would anyone want to join Russia, of all countries? The East Ukrainian protesters are like: "our country isn't screwed up enough! Let's join Russia so we can screw up our country even more!" This sentiment is simply weird. In fact, I'll take it as proof that the FSB and Spec Ops forces are involved. Why would any country in their right minds, and uninfluenced by spec op soldiers, want to become like Russia?
because they're nationalistic nutjobs. With their support for Putin the Russian people have made pretty clear that they value nationalistic ambitions over economic prosperity. In the end it's going to collapse, then Russia is going to rebuild their economy and then it's going to happen again.
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And the average West Ukrainian doesn't want anyone like Yanukovych in power again. You have to admit: they have a point.
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On May 06 2014 03:02 marigoldran wrote:
And the average West Ukrainian doesn't want anyone like Yanukovych in power again. You have to admit: they have a point.
So screw what the other half of the country thinks? Because hell, what can go wrong?
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On May 06 2014 03:01 Mc wrote:@Marigold 1.) Poles are Slavs, they don't deny it. Denying it won't protect you from Russia... You also forgot about Croatia, Slovakia, Slovenia, who definitely have functioning democracies. I'm pretty sure a few other Slavic countries have had fair elections recently, but their democracies aren't as strong. Do some research... democracy index2.)Even though Russia's economy sucks they can easily invest money where they care to (*cough* Sochi). Even if Russia doesn't invest in the annexed area, people might believe it will or Russia will invest in projects that look good, but don't really help (*cough* Sochi)
Exceptions to the general rule.
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On May 06 2014 03:04 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 03:02 marigoldran wrote:
And the average West Ukrainian doesn't want anyone like Yanukovych in power again. You have to admit: they have a point. So screw what the other half of the country thinks? Because hell, what can go wrong?
A civil war? East Ukraine becoming part of Russia and therefore becoming permanently screwed? NATO expansion?
I can think of lots of things that can go wrong.
EDIT: Also, when East Ukrainian insurgents say "we want a federated state," what they're actually saying is "we want to be screwed by Russia." Because that's effectively what's going to happen if they get their way.
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Sure, the Kiev government is incompetent. But would you rather be ruled by the current incompetent government, by Yanukyovich, or by Putin?
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On May 06 2014 03:14 marigoldran wrote:
Sure, the Kiev government is incompetent. But would you rather be ruled by an incompetent government, or by Putin?
They are sending tanks and blocking off food/supply routes to their own cities, would you like it if your government did that to you? And they wouldn't be ruled by Putin, they would finally be able to have a say over the future of Ukraine. I'm not sure you are getting this. There are people in Ukraine who really don't like this self-proclaimed government, people are terrified. How about you ask the people in these parts of the country what they want? They are Ukrainians too.
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So if the East Ukrainians reject West Ukraine, and by extension Western Europe, to whom can they turn to in order to revive their doomed economy?
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@Zeo, paleman, nunez
could we form an temporary alliance against marigoldran (a la Molotov-Ribbentrop)? We won't bash each other a while and focus on marigoldran. Once things settle down, we'll go back to bashing each other.
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Russian Federation17 Posts
On May 06 2014 02:39 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 02:37 LocalPredictor wrote:On May 06 2014 01:27 marigoldran wrote:
Why exactly do these fools want to join with Russia? Close proximity to Russia is correlated with higher levels of corruption, and economic failure. Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. etc. The exceptions are China, Finland, and Turkey, but those countries have their own very distinct cultures and ethnicity independent of Slavic culture and Russian imperialism.
Outside of sentimentality, there's really no good reason why any group of people would want to be part of Russia. There is probably no better way of ruining your country's long term political and economic prospects than to attach it to Russia. I'm not going to argue about corruption and stuff instead i'll tell you one thing. Those people want to be part of Russia because they feel inextricable connection with it and they are ready to build our common happy future sharing all the hardships with us. Happiness is not measured by money in the Russian lands. That's why we are invincible. Empire shall rise. Is this supposed to be sarcastic? I honestly can't tell
No, I'm being serious.
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On May 06 2014 03:23 Mc wrote:
@Zeo, paleman, nunez
could we form an temporary alliance against marigoldran (a la Molotov-Ribbentrop)? We won't bash each other a while and focus on marigoldran. Once things settle down, we'll go back to bashing each other.
LOL. I'm all for this. Let's do it.
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EPT
