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On May 06 2014 03:24 LocalPredictor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 02:39 Nyxisto wrote:On May 06 2014 02:37 LocalPredictor wrote:On May 06 2014 01:27 marigoldran wrote:
Why exactly do these fools want to join with Russia? Close proximity to Russia is correlated with higher levels of corruption, and economic failure. Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. etc. The exceptions are China, Finland, and Turkey, but those countries have their own very distinct cultures and ethnicity independent of Slavic culture and Russian imperialism.
Outside of sentimentality, there's really no good reason why any group of people would want to be part of Russia. There is probably no better way of ruining your country's long term political and economic prospects than to attach it to Russia. I'm not going to argue about corruption and stuff instead i'll tell you one thing. Those people want to be part of Russia because they feel inextricable connection with it and they are ready to build our common happy future sharing all the hardships with us. Happiness is not measured by money in the Russian lands. That's why we are invincible. Empire shall rise. Is this supposed to be sarcastic? I honestly can't tell No, I'm being serious.
Exactly how do you make an empire if your economy and political system crashes every 30 years or so?
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On May 06 2014 03:00 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 02:51 marigoldran wrote:On May 06 2014 02:37 LocalPredictor wrote:On May 06 2014 01:27 marigoldran wrote:
Why exactly do these fools want to join with Russia? Close proximity to Russia is correlated with higher levels of corruption, and economic failure. Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. etc. The exceptions are China, Finland, and Turkey, but those countries have their own very distinct cultures and ethnicity independent of Slavic culture and Russian imperialism.
Outside of sentimentality, there's really no good reason why any group of people would want to be part of Russia. There is probably no better way of ruining your country's long term political and economic prospects than to attach it to Russia. I'm not going to argue about corruption and stuff instead i'll tell you one thing. Those people want to be part of Russia because they feel inextricable connection with it and they are ready to build our common happy future sharing all the hardships with us. Happiness is not measured by money in the Russian lands. That's why we are invincible. Empire shall rise. My point exactly. Outside of sentimentality, or being conquered by a Russian army, why the hell would anyone want to join Russia, of all countries? The East Ukrainian protesters are like: "our country isn't screwed up enough! Let's join Russia so we can screw up our country even more!" This sentiment is simply weird. In fact, I'll take it as proof that the FSB and Spec Ops forces are involved. Why would any country in their right minds, and uninfluenced by spec op soldiers, want to become like Russia? Nobody wants to be a part of Russia, certain people from Lviv and Kiev have it in their heads that they are the only Ukrainians in the country and the only ones 'Ukrainian' enough to rule. These people in eastern Ukraine just want their rights back and to not have to fear catastrophic revolutions every time someone from the east or south of the country wins an election.
Are you aware of the fact that Yanukovych stole enormous amounts of money from the people, used snipers on protestors and fled to Russia? He is a criminal and should be arrested. He stole from east as much as from west so he is no good for anybody. And what are these rights eastern ukraine want back?
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On May 06 2014 03:23 Mc wrote:
@Zeo, paleman, nunez
could we form an temporary alliance against marigoldran (a la Molotov-Ribbentrop)? We won't bash each other a while and focus on marigoldran. Once things settle down, we'll go back to bashing each other.
why should we bash him
he is so brainwashed - i have a lot of fun reading his silly posts
Edit: added FSB and Spec Ops to this message (fck yeah!)
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On May 06 2014 03:30 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 03:23 Mc wrote:
@Zeo, paleman, nunez
could we form an temporary alliance against marigoldran (a la Molotov-Ribbentrop)? We won't bash each other a while and focus on marigoldran. Once things settle down, we'll go back to bashing each other. why should we bash him he is so brainwashed - i have a lot of fun reading his silly posts Warning: this message cointans FSB and Spec Ops (fck yeah!)
LOL. EVERYONE is brainwashed. If you can't understand this, then you're a fool.
But back to the topic: If the East Ukrainians reject West Ukraine, and by extension Western Europe, to whom can they turn to in order to revive their doomed economy?
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West Ukraine is a dead horse - they can't work and they don't want to
so they are doomed without East - that's why they don't want East go
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On May 06 2014 03:33 PaleMan wrote:
West Ukraine is a dead horse - they can't work and they don't want to
so they are doomed without East - that's why they don't want East go
Once again: If the East Ukrainians reject West Ukraine, and by extension Western Europe, to whom can they turn to in order to revive their doomed economy?
EDIT: In other words, perhaps it's time that East Ukrainian insurgents think very, very carefully about what they want? If they reject the Kiev government, and the West, to whom can they turn to for help?
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of course they turn to Russia - we buy a lot of things from them, some military stuff, food, etc.
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On May 06 2014 03:36 PaleMan wrote:
of course they turn to Russia - we buy a lot of things from them, some military stuff, food, etc.
Exactly. Russia's little bitc-es.
Once again: do East Ukrainians want to be ruled by the Kiev government, or by Putin?
EDIT: I have to go. Talk to all of you later. Good times!
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the funny shit is that as a russian citizen i would not want to have Donetsk and Co as part of my country. Then again nobody asked me, if i wanted to have Crimea too ... Good times!
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On May 06 2014 03:37 marigoldran wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 03:36 PaleMan wrote:
of course they turn to Russia - we buy a lot of things from them, some military stuff, food, etc.
Exactly. Russia's little bitc-es. Once again: do East Ukrainians want to be ruled by the Kiev government, or by Putin?
of course by Putin, he is not a puppet at least and doesn't like Bandera too
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On May 06 2014 03:29 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 03:00 zeo wrote:On May 06 2014 02:51 marigoldran wrote:On May 06 2014 02:37 LocalPredictor wrote:On May 06 2014 01:27 marigoldran wrote:
Why exactly do these fools want to join with Russia? Close proximity to Russia is correlated with higher levels of corruption, and economic failure. Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. etc. The exceptions are China, Finland, and Turkey, but those countries have their own very distinct cultures and ethnicity independent of Slavic culture and Russian imperialism.
Outside of sentimentality, there's really no good reason why any group of people would want to be part of Russia. There is probably no better way of ruining your country's long term political and economic prospects than to attach it to Russia. I'm not going to argue about corruption and stuff instead i'll tell you one thing. Those people want to be part of Russia because they feel inextricable connection with it and they are ready to build our common happy future sharing all the hardships with us. Happiness is not measured by money in the Russian lands. That's why we are invincible. Empire shall rise. My point exactly. Outside of sentimentality, or being conquered by a Russian army, why the hell would anyone want to join Russia, of all countries? The East Ukrainian protesters are like: "our country isn't screwed up enough! Let's join Russia so we can screw up our country even more!" This sentiment is simply weird. In fact, I'll take it as proof that the FSB and Spec Ops forces are involved. Why would any country in their right minds, and uninfluenced by spec op soldiers, want to become like Russia? Nobody wants to be a part of Russia, certain people from Lviv and Kiev have it in their heads that they are the only Ukrainians in the country and the only ones 'Ukrainian' enough to rule. These people in eastern Ukraine just want their rights back and to not have to fear catastrophic revolutions every time someone from the east or south of the country wins an election. Are you aware of the fact that Yanukovych stole enormous amounts of money from the people, used snipers on protestors and fled to Russia? He is a criminal and should be arrested. He stole from east as much as from west so he is no good for anybody. And what are these rights eastern ukraine want back?
So the Yanukovych boogieman excuse still being used eh? It's not like an agreement was reached that would end the instability peacefully and ensure the country doesn't descend into chaos?
I'm sure Yanukovych was the reason that the moment they seized power, Maidan formed their own personal military paid for with the people's money. it's his fault that they stopped sending money to the real Ukrainian military and the actual soldiers started starving so they could pump more funds into their private military. It's not like that same military is killing Ukrainian citizens as we speak in eastern Ukraine.
That 17 billion IMF money that has to be paid back is really useful.
B-b-but armed people in eastern Ukraine! When protesters in Libya and Syria started blowing up buildings and murdering police some people on this site proclaimed them saints of democracy, like the founding fathers, except nicer. The government in Kiev is about as legitimate as a bunch of Southerners storming the White House and raising a Confederate flag because 'people in the south wanted it'.
On May 06 2014 03:23 Mc wrote:
@Zeo, paleman, nunez
could we form an temporary alliance against marigoldran (a la Molotov-Ribbentrop)? We won't bash each other a while and focus on marigoldran. Once things settle down, we'll go back to bashing each other.
I don't really bash on people on this site, I can keep debunking his theories and 'facts' though, don't know how much it will do, they keep coming back.
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On May 06 2014 03:37 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
the funny shit is that as a russian citizen i would not want to have Donetsk and Co as part of my country. Then again nobody asked me, if i wanted to have Crimea too ... Good times!
Honestly, the annexation of Crimea does not seem rational to me, and Putin still did it. I feel there is a lot of nationalistic rhetoric behind this and not a lot of common sense.
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On May 06 2014 03:48 zeo wrote:
B-b-but armed people in eastern Ukraine! When protesters in Libya and Syria started blowing up buildings and murdering police some people on this site proclaimed them saints of democracy, like the founding fathers, except nicer. The government in Kiev is about as legitimate as a bunch of Southerners storming the White House and raising a Confederate flag because 'people in the south wanted it'.
The interim government of Ukraine was elected by the previous government of Ukraine, which everyone accepted as legitimate. How is that like 'people storming the White house'?
On May 06 2014 03:24 LocalPredictor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 02:39 Nyxisto wrote:On May 06 2014 02:37 LocalPredictor wrote:On May 06 2014 01:27 marigoldran wrote:
Why exactly do these fools want to join with Russia? Close proximity to Russia is correlated with higher levels of corruption, and economic failure. Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. etc. The exceptions are China, Finland, and Turkey, but those countries have their own very distinct cultures and ethnicity independent of Slavic culture and Russian imperialism.
Outside of sentimentality, there's really no good reason why any group of people would want to be part of Russia. There is probably no better way of ruining your country's long term political and economic prospects than to attach it to Russia. I'm not going to argue about corruption and stuff instead i'll tell you one thing. Those people want to be part of Russia because they feel inextricable connection with it and they are ready to build our common happy future sharing all the hardships with us. Happiness is not measured by money in the Russian lands. That's why we are invincible. Empire shall rise. Is this supposed to be sarcastic? I honestly can't tell No, I'm being serious.
So you basically admit that you don't care for the economic well-being of the Russian population as long as you're living in a giant empire? (pro tip: a few very unpleasant historical figures had similar visions)
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On May 06 2014 03:48 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 03:29 Fjodorov wrote:On May 06 2014 03:00 zeo wrote:On May 06 2014 02:51 marigoldran wrote:On May 06 2014 02:37 LocalPredictor wrote:On May 06 2014 01:27 marigoldran wrote:
Why exactly do these fools want to join with Russia? Close proximity to Russia is correlated with higher levels of corruption, and economic failure. Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. etc. The exceptions are China, Finland, and Turkey, but those countries have their own very distinct cultures and ethnicity independent of Slavic culture and Russian imperialism.
Outside of sentimentality, there's really no good reason why any group of people would want to be part of Russia. There is probably no better way of ruining your country's long term political and economic prospects than to attach it to Russia. I'm not going to argue about corruption and stuff instead i'll tell you one thing. Those people want to be part of Russia because they feel inextricable connection with it and they are ready to build our common happy future sharing all the hardships with us. Happiness is not measured by money in the Russian lands. That's why we are invincible. Empire shall rise. My point exactly. Outside of sentimentality, or being conquered by a Russian army, why the hell would anyone want to join Russia, of all countries? The East Ukrainian protesters are like: "our country isn't screwed up enough! Let's join Russia so we can screw up our country even more!" This sentiment is simply weird. In fact, I'll take it as proof that the FSB and Spec Ops forces are involved. Why would any country in their right minds, and uninfluenced by spec op soldiers, want to become like Russia? Nobody wants to be a part of Russia, certain people from Lviv and Kiev have it in their heads that they are the only Ukrainians in the country and the only ones 'Ukrainian' enough to rule. These people in eastern Ukraine just want their rights back and to not have to fear catastrophic revolutions every time someone from the east or south of the country wins an election. Are you aware of the fact that Yanukovych stole enormous amounts of money from the people, used snipers on protestors and fled to Russia? He is a criminal and should be arrested. He stole from east as much as from west so he is no good for anybody. And what are these rights eastern ukraine want back? So the Yanukovych boogieman excuse still being used eh? It's not like an agreement was reached that would end the instability peacefully and ensure the country doesn't descend into chaos? I'm sure Yanukovych was the reason that the moment they seized power, Maidan formed their own personal military paid for with the people's money. it's his fault that they stopped sending money to the real Ukrainian military and the actual soldiers started starving so they could pump more funds into their private military. It's not like that same military is killing Ukrainian citizens as we speak in eastern Ukraine. That 17 billion IMF money that has to be paid back is really useful. B-b-but armed people in eastern Ukraine! When protesters in Libya and Syria started blowing up buildings and murdering police some people on this site proclaimed them saints of democracy, like the founding fathers, except nicer. The government in Kiev is about as legitimate as a bunch of Southerners storming the White House and raising a Confederate flag because 'people in the south wanted it'. Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 03:23 Mc wrote:
@Zeo, paleman, nunez
could we form an temporary alliance against marigoldran (a la Molotov-Ribbentrop)? We won't bash each other a while and focus on marigoldran. Once things settle down, we'll go back to bashing each other. I don't really bash on people on this site, I can keep debunking his theories and 'facts' though, don't know how much it will do, they keep coming back.
You compare Khadaffi and Assad to this temporary ukrainian government. How can be discuss when you say stuff like that? Its offensive and outrageous that you would show such disrespect to the victims of Khadaffi and Assad. Read up and come and appologize
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On May 06 2014 03:30 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 03:23 Mc wrote:
@Zeo, paleman, nunez
could we form an temporary alliance against marigoldran (a la Molotov-Ribbentrop)? We won't bash each other a while and focus on marigoldran. Once things settle down, we'll go back to bashing each other. why should we bash him he is so brainwashed - i have a lot of fun reading his silly posts Edit: added FSB and Spec Ops to this message (fck yeah!)
Now you know how everyone sees you nunez and zeo lol.
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On May 06 2014 04:12 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 03:30 PaleMan wrote:On May 06 2014 03:23 Mc wrote:
@Zeo, paleman, nunez
could we form an temporary alliance against marigoldran (a la Molotov-Ribbentrop)? We won't bash each other a while and focus on marigoldran. Once things settle down, we'll go back to bashing each other. why should we bash him he is so brainwashed - i have a lot of fun reading his silly posts Edit: added FSB and Spec Ops to this message (fck yeah!) Now you know how everyone sees you nunez and zeo lol.
Its also part of the reason why I visit this thread less and less, and I would think many others are getting tired too. It just seems like a place for pro-Russian extremists to post their biased views. Everything presented is spinned to such a degree that its pointless to come here for any real information; its just non-stop responses to their posts which seem identical to what a troll would write. I don't think TL mods have the right to do anything by their own commandments, but I'm betting it would be way nicer and actually informative to visit this thread for 95% of the community if they were temp-banned.
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On May 06 2014 03:23 Mc wrote:
@Zeo, paleman, nunez
could we form an temporary alliance against marigoldran (a la Molotov-Ribbentrop)? We won't bash each other a while and focus on marigoldran. Once things settle down, we'll go back to bashing each other.
Aah, World War 2 - Ukrainans murdering Poles, Poles murdering Ukrainans, Russians and Germans just generally murdering anyone that they found (Germans were a bit more organized though). Good times, good times. Feels like it was just yesterdays doesn't it?
PS. Ukrainans and Poles got a bit unfairly brought out here probably - I'm sure everyone tried to get their murdering in at the time (was just reading about the Volhynia mess).
Edit: fixed probalby to probably.
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On May 06 2014 04:28 radscorpion9 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 04:12 hunts wrote:On May 06 2014 03:30 PaleMan wrote:On May 06 2014 03:23 Mc wrote:
@Zeo, paleman, nunez
could we form an temporary alliance against marigoldran (a la Molotov-Ribbentrop)? We won't bash each other a while and focus on marigoldran. Once things settle down, we'll go back to bashing each other. why should we bash him he is so brainwashed - i have a lot of fun reading his silly posts Edit: added FSB and Spec Ops to this message (fck yeah!) Now you know how everyone sees you nunez and zeo lol. Its also part of the reason why I visit this thread less and less, and I would think many others are getting tired too. It just seems like a place for pro-Russian extremists to post their biased views. Everything presented is spinned to such a degree that its pointless to come here for any real information; its just non-stop responses to their posts which seem identical to what a troll would write. I don't think TL mods have the right to do anything by their own commandments, but I'm betting it would be way nicer and actually informative to visit this thread for 95% of the community if they were temp-banned.
Yeah, kind of difficult to take a thread seriously when a regular poster was able to make claims 19th century France was a better place than today. Kind of given hope for this thread after that even though I still look at posts providing some media sources.
It's already pretty hard to get a clear/real picture of the current situation without people on TL adding confusion and stupidity.
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radscorpion9 - thats strange
Ghan spits outs "pro-western" posts like a machine gunner, so i don't know what your complaint is about
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