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http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/russia-ukraine-protests-websites-internet-104171.html?ml=po_r
Russia's Internet monitoring agency has blocked 13 Internet pages linked to the Ukraine protest movement that helped oust the country's Russia-leaning president last week.
Roskomnadzor said in a statement published online Monday that it had been ordered by the general prosecutor's office to shut down the pages on Russia's leading social media website, VKontakte. The agency said the groups "propagandized the activity of Ukrainian nationalist groups," and accused them of encouraging "terrorist activity" and "participation in unsanctioned mass actions."
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Now they are protecting the Ukraine from becoming a Dictatorship? =D
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If the translator is accurate the russian ambassador just had a stroke.
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i will be honest it's like the russian guy is going mixing everything i find hard to follow with a broken french traduction
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"whatever" - dunno if that's the translator or...
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On March 04 2014 07:04 Derez wrote:
If the translator is accurate the russian ambassador just had a stroke.
To be fair, it must be pretty hard to translate on the fly, especially if your mind tells you "thats bs anyway".
He made me giggle a couple of times, i'm happy. ^^
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On March 04 2014 06:59 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 06:56 Caladan wrote:On March 04 2014 06:50 m4ini wrote:On March 04 2014 06:42 Caladan wrote:This whole topic is really formal politics vs real politics. Most treaties are not the paper worth they are printed at. Also this "memorandum". The behaviour of Russia is not really surprising. It would never just watch Ukraine becoming a NATO or even EU state, as most Russians and many Ukraines see themselves as "brother states", and just recently became two different states, having a common origin. In fact the origin of Russian culture lies in today's Ukraine. So all the western politicians are not really honest if they act as they would be surprised by Russia's actions. It was really foreseeable. And honestly, I don't think Ukraine in its current form has any future. The pro-western and anti-western groups just won't find any compromise to live in one state. The only reasonable solution in my opinion is for eastern Ukraine to separate itself and become associated or part of Russia, and for western and mid Ukraine to become part of EU and NATO. So everyone is happy. It is also important to notice that borders are nothing that God gave to us (if there is any  ), borders are results of actual politics and history. Borders can and will change in the future, if there is motivation to do so. And the two interest groups in Ukraine will not be able to live in one state, I'm pretty sure of this. Btw, I have a M.A. in politics. If you have a M.A. in politics you should know that the only way the ukraine splits is a democratic way, if anything. There's examples in the real world that show what happens otherwise. History shows that border shifts happen only very rare in a democratic way. That's what I ment to say: Formal politics vs real politics. Formally Ukraine is (somewhat) democratic, has souvereign borders, etc. What is really happening is something very different though. The elected president is not even in office anymore. We more or less have a de-facto government (regime) in Ukraine at the moment. Also de-facto Crimea is separating itself (with help/pressure from Russia). In a perfect world things would be different, but this is politics, this is not perfect, not formal. It is a battle of powers and incentives. More so international politics as there is no real superior power/legislation/court. International politics are anarchy and public international law is just obligatory. Show nested quote +The only reasonable solution in my opinion is for eastern Ukraine to separate itself and become associated or part of Russia, and for western and mid Ukraine to become part of EU and NATO. So everyone is happy. That's your point that i was commenting on. It would be only reasonable if you get them to vote for it. By force, you set the stage for another country spawning terrorists.
Yeah, I'm not saying this is a just solution, but it is the only non-war solution I can see.
Another question for you then: Was the current de-facto government of Ukraine elected by the majority in Ukraine in general elections? Or was it set into force by the ones on Maidan, being loud, setting things on fire?
It's the same now. At the moment, people in east Ukraine are occupying government facilities.
Politics is mostly made by those who are being loud and acting up, not the ones being silent and waiting in their houses to be asked for elections. That's why direct democracy is a very rare thing.
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the translator who translates for Russian Federation is an imbecile
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On March 04 2014 07:04 Derez wrote:
If the translator is accurate the russian ambassador just had a stroke.
I think the translator is fucking up, he just had the same issue with the Ukrainian ambassador speaking Russian.
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Im not a nationalist myself, actually I dislike nationalist movements and rhetoric in politics, but I find it amusing that russia is telling Ukraine that they are not allowed to have nationalists in goverenment. I mean, look at Putin and Russia, they are very much nationalists and support and created lots of nationalist movements and youth groups etc.
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I switched to french and the russian ambassador sounds just as incoherent. As in, all over the place.
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On March 04 2014 07:07 Derez wrote:
I switched to french and the russian ambassador sounds just as incoherent.
i'm not alone so
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On March 04 2014 07:05 Caladan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 06:59 m4ini wrote:On March 04 2014 06:56 Caladan wrote:On March 04 2014 06:50 m4ini wrote:On March 04 2014 06:42 Caladan wrote:This whole topic is really formal politics vs real politics. Most treaties are not the paper worth they are printed at. Also this "memorandum". The behaviour of Russia is not really surprising. It would never just watch Ukraine becoming a NATO or even EU state, as most Russians and many Ukraines see themselves as "brother states", and just recently became two different states, having a common origin. In fact the origin of Russian culture lies in today's Ukraine. So all the western politicians are not really honest if they act as they would be surprised by Russia's actions. It was really foreseeable. And honestly, I don't think Ukraine in its current form has any future. The pro-western and anti-western groups just won't find any compromise to live in one state. The only reasonable solution in my opinion is for eastern Ukraine to separate itself and become associated or part of Russia, and for western and mid Ukraine to become part of EU and NATO. So everyone is happy. It is also important to notice that borders are nothing that God gave to us (if there is any ), borders are results of actual politics and history. Borders can and will change in the future, if there is motivation to do so. And the two interest groups in Ukraine will not be able to live in one state, I'm pretty sure of this. Btw, I have a M.A. in politics. If you have a M.A. in politics you should know that the only way the ukraine splits is a democratic way, if anything. There's examples in the real world that show what happens otherwise. History shows that border shifts happen only very rare in a democratic way. That's what I ment to say: Formal politics vs real politics. Formally Ukraine is (somewhat) democratic, has souvereign borders, etc. What is really happening is something very different though. The elected president is not even in office anymore. We more or less have a de-facto government (regime) in Ukraine at the moment. Also de-facto Crimea is separating itself (with help/pressure from Russia). In a perfect world things would be different, but this is politics, this is not perfect, not formal. It is a battle of powers and incentives. More so international politics as there is no real superior power/legislation/court. International politics are anarchy and public international law is just obligatory. The only reasonable solution in my opinion is for eastern Ukraine to separate itself and become associated or part of Russia, and for western and mid Ukraine to become part of EU and NATO. So everyone is happy. That's your point that i was commenting on. It would be only reasonable if you get them to vote for it. By force, you set the stage for another country spawning terrorists. Yeah, I'm not saying this is a just solution, but it is the only non-war solution I can see. Another question for you then: Was the current de-facto government of Ukraine elected by the majority in Ukraine in general elections? Or was it set into force by the ones on Maidan, being loud, setting things on fire? It's the same now. At the moment, people in east Ukraine are occupying government facilities. Politics is mostly made by those who are being loud and acting up, not the ones being silent and waiting in their houses to be asked for elections. That's why direct democracy is a very rare thing. Well one way to find out would be for elections in May.
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there's this squiggly sound too. sounds like someone writing on a whiteboard...
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Accusing the US ambassador (who called him delusional earlier) of getting her info from American TV is pretty fucking badass, I gotta admit.
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On March 04 2014 07:05 Caladan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 06:59 m4ini wrote:On March 04 2014 06:56 Caladan wrote:On March 04 2014 06:50 m4ini wrote:On March 04 2014 06:42 Caladan wrote:This whole topic is really formal politics vs real politics. Most treaties are not the paper worth they are printed at. Also this "memorandum". The behaviour of Russia is not really surprising. It would never just watch Ukraine becoming a NATO or even EU state, as most Russians and many Ukraines see themselves as "brother states", and just recently became two different states, having a common origin. In fact the origin of Russian culture lies in today's Ukraine. So all the western politicians are not really honest if they act as they would be surprised by Russia's actions. It was really foreseeable. And honestly, I don't think Ukraine in its current form has any future. The pro-western and anti-western groups just won't find any compromise to live in one state. The only reasonable solution in my opinion is for eastern Ukraine to separate itself and become associated or part of Russia, and for western and mid Ukraine to become part of EU and NATO. So everyone is happy. It is also important to notice that borders are nothing that God gave to us (if there is any ), borders are results of actual politics and history. Borders can and will change in the future, if there is motivation to do so. And the two interest groups in Ukraine will not be able to live in one state, I'm pretty sure of this. Btw, I have a M.A. in politics. If you have a M.A. in politics you should know that the only way the ukraine splits is a democratic way, if anything. There's examples in the real world that show what happens otherwise. History shows that border shifts happen only very rare in a democratic way. That's what I ment to say: Formal politics vs real politics. Formally Ukraine is (somewhat) democratic, has souvereign borders, etc. What is really happening is something very different though. The elected president is not even in office anymore. We more or less have a de-facto government (regime) in Ukraine at the moment. Also de-facto Crimea is separating itself (with help/pressure from Russia). In a perfect world things would be different, but this is politics, this is not perfect, not formal. It is a battle of powers and incentives. More so international politics as there is no real superior power/legislation/court. International politics are anarchy and public international law is just obligatory. The only reasonable solution in my opinion is for eastern Ukraine to separate itself and become associated or part of Russia, and for western and mid Ukraine to become part of EU and NATO. So everyone is happy. That's your point that i was commenting on. It would be only reasonable if you get them to vote for it. By force, you set the stage for another country spawning terrorists. Yeah, I'm not saying this is a just solution, but it is the only non-war solution I can see. Another question for you then: Was the current de-facto government of Ukraine elected by the majority in Ukraine in general elections? Or was it set into force by the ones on Maidan, being loud, setting things on fire? It's the same now. At the moment, people in east Ukraine are occupying government facilities. Politics is mostly made by those who are being loud and acting up, not the ones being silent and waiting in their houses to be asked for elections. That's why direct democracy is a very rare thing.
That's where "we" could put the lever though. In my mind, that's the only "good" option for all parties - having a western peacekeeping-mission, and "vorgezogene Wahlen" (early elections?).
The one thing that russia has going for themselves (kinda) is the fact that they can call the government "bandits", and act based on that.
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This Russian ambassador should just unzip his pants and lay his dick on the table rather than waste everyone's time with this incoherent nonsense. The effect would be the same.
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On March 04 2014 06:56 Caladan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 06:50 m4ini wrote:On March 04 2014 06:42 Caladan wrote:This whole topic is really formal politics vs real politics. Most treaties are not the paper worth they are printed at. Also this "memorandum". The behaviour of Russia is not really surprising. It would never just watch Ukraine becoming a NATO or even EU state, as most Russians and many Ukraines see themselves as "brother states", and just recently became two different states, having a common origin. In fact the origin of Russian culture lies in today's Ukraine. So all the western politicians are not really honest if they act as they would be surprised by Russia's actions. It was really foreseeable. And honestly, I don't think Ukraine in its current form has any future. The pro-western and anti-western groups just won't find any compromise to live in one state. The only reasonable solution in my opinion is for eastern Ukraine to separate itself and become associated or part of Russia, and for western and mid Ukraine to become part of EU and NATO. So everyone is happy. It is also important to notice that borders are nothing that God gave to us (if there is any ), borders are results of actual politics and history. Borders can and will change in the future, if there is motivation to do so. And the two interest groups in Ukraine will not be able to live in one state, I'm pretty sure of this. Btw, I have a M.A. in politics. If you have a M.A. in politics you should know that the only way the ukraine splits is a democratic way, if anything. There's examples in the real world that show what happens otherwise. History shows that border shifts happen only very rare in a democratic way. That's what I ment to say: Formal politics vs real politics. Formally Ukraine is (somewhat) democratic, has souvereign borders, etc. What is really happening is something very different though. The elected president is not even in office anymore. We more or less have a de-facto government (regime) in Ukraine at the moment. Also de-facto Crimea is separating itself (with help/pressure from Russia). In a perfect world things would be different, but this is politics, this is not perfect, not formal. It is a battle of powers and incentives. More so international politics as there is no real superior power/legislation/court. International politics are anarchy and public international law is just obligatory.
I am not professional in this field but what you write seems a bit too cold war to me. Information dessimination is making public opinion far more important than in the old times and the internationalisation of trade is making economic sanctions more effective. I will give you, that these things are more important in some parts of the world compared to others, but it still doesnt change the power of the exact media we are communicating through.
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this translator is killing esports.
he's lucky this is not being streamed on twitch.
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On March 04 2014 07:08 nunez wrote:
there's this squiggly sound too. sounds like someone writing on a whiteboard...
stfu, i only heard it when you mentioned it, that will annoy the shit out of me now -,-
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