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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
March 03 2014 21:37 GMT
#3421
On March 04 2014 06:35 Ghanburighan wrote:
I had already forgotten how boring multilateral meetings actually were... Good thing there's no Cuba.

Oh, Fidel's speechs...
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 03 2014 21:37 GMT
#3422
Nigeria even commends the transitional govt. on its steps to become more inclusive.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
March 03 2014 21:38 GMT
#3423
On March 04 2014 06:35 Ghanburighan wrote:
I had already forgotten how boring multilateral meetings actually were... Good thing there's no Cuba.

We need more 10h speech from comrade Castro though.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 03 2014 21:38 GMT
#3424
On March 04 2014 06:37 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 06:36 r.Evo wrote:
On March 04 2014 06:35 Ghanburighan wrote:
I had already forgotten how boring multilateral meetings actually were... Good thing there's no Cuba.

It always stroke me as slightly awkward that they're basically going in a circle issuing statements... which aren't exactly responding to each other.

No Gadafi, no fun.


At least he would brighten it up a bit, like the iraqi infominister. This is pretty dry of a fart, and no real surprises.
On track to MA1950A.
Eisregen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany967 Posts
March 03 2014 21:39 GMT
#3425
the need to solve this piss.....fully. They nearly got me there!

I actually like those meetings. To hear all the statements, their reasoning, who is with who etc. Kinda never can get enough of this
Photo-Noob@ http://www.flickr.com/photos/eisregen1983/
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
March 03 2014 21:39 GMT
#3426
i thought that south korea would have announced thay they will send flash, i'm disappointed
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 03 2014 21:41 GMT
#3427
On March 04 2014 06:39 Makro wrote:
i thought that south korea would have announced thay they will send flash, i'm disappointed

God is everywhere.

P.S. This stream is killing my PC :/
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
March 03 2014 21:41 GMT
#3428
Australia and Nigeria being a bit more specific in their critique than other non-involved states. Was a bit surprised. Is there any indirect interest from Nigeria?
Repeat before me
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
March 03 2014 21:41 GMT
#3429
On March 04 2014 06:41 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 06:39 Makro wrote:
i thought that south korea would have announced thay they will send flash, i'm disappointed

God is everywhere.

P.S. This stream is killing my PC :/

The screen flashes ?
It's subliminal western propaganda.
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
March 03 2014 21:42 GMT
#3430
This whole topic is really formal politics vs real politics. Most treaties are not the paper worth they are printed at. Also this "memorandum".

The behaviour of Russia is not really surprising. It would never just watch Ukraine becoming a NATO or even EU state, as most Russians and many Ukraines see themselves as "brother states", and just recently became two different states, having a common origin. In fact the origin of Russian culture lies in today's Ukraine.

So all the western politicians are not really honest if they act as they would be surprised by Russia's actions. It was really foreseeable.

And honestly, I don't think Ukraine in its current form has any future. The pro-western and anti-western groups just won't find any compromise to live in one state.
The only reasonable solution in my opinion is for eastern Ukraine to separate itself and become associated or part of Russia, and for western and mid Ukraine to become part of EU and NATO. So everyone is happy.

It is also important to notice that borders are nothing that God gave to us (if there is any ), borders are results of actual politics and history. Borders can and will change in the future, if there is motivation to do so. And the two interest groups in Ukraine will not be able to live in one state, I'm pretty sure of this.

Btw, I have a M.A. in politics.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 03 2014 21:45 GMT
#3431
On March 04 2014 06:42 Caladan wrote:
This whole topic is really formal politics vs real politics. Most treaties are not the paper worth they are printed at. Also this "memorandum".

The behaviour of Russia is not really surprising. It would never just watch Ukraine becoming a NATO or even EU state, as most Russians and many Ukraines see themselves as "brother states", and just recently became two different states, having a common origin. In fact the origin of Russian culture lies in today's Ukraine.

So all the western politicians are not really honest if they act as they would be surprised by Russia's actions. It was really foreseeable.

And honestly, I don't think Ukraine in its current form has any future. The pro-western and anti-western groups just won't find any compromise to live in one state.
The only reasonable solution in my opinion is for eastern Ukraine to separate itself and become associated or part of Russia, and for western and mid Ukraine to become part of EU and NATO. So everyone is happy.

It is also important to notice that borders are nothing that God gave to us (if there is any ), borders are results of actual politics and history. Borders can and will change in the future, if there is motivation to do so. And the two interest groups in Ukraine will not be able to live in one state, I'm pretty sure of this.

Btw, I have a M.A. in politics.

case closed!
Saumure
Profile Joined February 2012
France404 Posts
March 03 2014 21:45 GMT
#3432
On March 04 2014 06:37 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 06:35 Ghanburighan wrote:
I had already forgotten how boring multilateral meetings actually were... Good thing there's no Cuba.

Oh, Fidel's speechs...

Mahmoud would have been nice too :D
Eisregen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany967 Posts
March 03 2014 21:45 GMT
#3433
Now it is getting really interesting
Photo-Noob@ http://www.flickr.com/photos/eisregen1983/
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
March 03 2014 21:45 GMT
#3434
On March 04 2014 06:21 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 06:19 xDaunt wrote:
On March 04 2014 06:13 Sub40APM wrote:

Atis Lejins, a member of the Latvian parliament’s foreign-affairs committee, said increasing the number of NATO aircraft patrolling Baltic airspace could be one way to beef up NATO’s presence.

Currently a small, rotating contingent of fighter aircraft from NATO countries operates from a base in Lithuania. Mr. Lejins, a former U.S. Marine, said one example of a heightened presence was the U.S. Air Force Aviation Detachment (AV Det) program in Poland, which rotates fighter and transport units to bases in Poland.

Critics of an increased NATO presence say that costs to both Latvia and NATO could be a hurdle to expanding air patrols. Increased air patrols would upgrade the NATO presence in all three countries because aircraft cover the airspace of all three Baltic countries.

Mr. Kalnins spoke after a joint meeting of the Saeima’ s Foreign Affairs and European Affairs committees that condemned Russia’s incursion into Crimea and called for European Union and Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) observers to be sent to the Ukraine.

He spoke on Monday at the same time as the Lithuanian Parliament’s Foreign Affairs and National Security and Defence Committee passed a resolution condemning Russia’s military aggression against Ukraine and the occupation of the territory of Ukraine. The Lithuanian resolution also called on the North Atlantic Council to temporarily redeploy NATO military forces to its “eastern part, including the Baltic states.”

I'd send a few squadrons of F22s over there as a gigantic middle finger to Russia and threaten to impose a no-fly zone if Russia starts shooting Ukranians.

the bigger middle finger would be to pressure the UK to close the City and London to the Russian elite. Putin doesnt care about sending his soldiers to their deaths, but his precious money? Thats a whole other matter.

Makes me remember Cyprus, the depositor bail-in and "har, har, they're mainly rich Russians anyways..." sentiment.
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
March 03 2014 21:47 GMT
#3435
Russian UN envoy says Ukraine's ousted President Yanukovych sent letter to President Putin asking him to use Russian military force in Ukraine - @Reuters
Yes im
Saumure
Profile Joined February 2012
France404 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 21:48:09
March 03 2014 21:47 GMT
#3436
Is there a bug or does the ukrainian guy speak french?
Eisregen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany967 Posts
March 03 2014 21:48 GMT
#3437
On March 04 2014 06:47 Saumure wrote:
Is there a bug or does the ukrainian guy speaking french?

He actually speaks english.
Photo-Noob@ http://www.flickr.com/photos/eisregen1983/
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
March 03 2014 21:48 GMT
#3438
On March 04 2014 06:47 Saumure wrote:
Is there a bug or does the ukrainian guy speak french?


he did at the beginning
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
March 03 2014 21:48 GMT
#3439
On March 04 2014 06:47 Saumure wrote:
Is there a bug or does the ukrainian guy speak french?

I think he actually started with French and is now speaking English.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
March 03 2014 21:48 GMT
#3440
On March 04 2014 06:47 Saumure wrote:
Is there a bug or does the ukrainian guy speaking french?


The translating service is really good, photoshopping his lips in real time so the deaf French people can understand.
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