I like Eakins though. The team is playing well, we have outplayed the opposing team in all but one game this season. We just been getting the worst goaltending. Tonight wasn't as bad, two of those goals were on the power play, but we need a save when it counts.

That game was absolutely all oilers until labarbera scored on their only scoring chance. It wasn't even a good one, was like weak back hands short side on the ice. Bench just got absolutely deflated after that goal. Just brutal.

We've scored first every game this season, then shortly after the other team gets a weak pizza to tie it up.

StarStruck

25339 Posts

October 15 2013 01:50 GMT

#669

Going back to shots on goal and the Leafs with Ron Wilson, Paul Maurice, Pat Quinn I remember the Leafs getting out shot more often than not and you know what? My memory might be a little jotted but going back through all those years. I remember us having a pretty darn good record when we got out shot versus those times we controlled the play and had more shots. Sort of funny how that works out, no? We got out shot more often than I can remember even with Pat Quinn and when we were a 100+ point club.

I'd say your tandem is Raycroft-ing pretty hard (heck even his numbers were better then again it's not even ten games).

iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

October 15 2013 02:07 GMT

#670

I dunno, how do you pin that on the defence? We only allowed twenty shots...

sharkeyanti

United States1273 Posts

October 15 2013 02:55 GMT

#671

Trading Yakupov for a goalie is silly at this point. The potential superstar is more valuable than either Miller or Lehner.

@Starstruck
I'd be interested to see if that were the case. But there is no data for shot attempts before the lockout. 1999-2003 certainly presented a time that defensive hockey could win, as it was easier to defend players who tried taking possession into the zone.

StarStruck

25339 Posts

October 15 2013 03:46 GMT

#672

On October 15 2013 11:07 iCanada wrote:
I dunno, how do you pin that on the defence? We only allowed twenty shots...

Oh I was talking in general and yeah shark it's quite something else I wish I could pull those stat pages myself. Ron Wilson was the guy who actually got the Leafs to shoot a lot more compared to Paul Maurice and Pat Quinn even though Pat Quinn was telling guys like Tomas Kaberle to shoot the puck more often because his shot was pretty good, but you know how some players are. :V Our puck possession has never been worse, but in those days we still lacked shots on the net and even then when we did out shoot other teams we would be more prone to losing.

QuanticHawk

United States32157 Posts

October 15 2013 03:55 GMT

#673

edmonton needs more competent defensemen first yo

Sub40APM

6336 Posts

October 15 2013 03:59 GMT

#674

Vignoult just waived Biron because ?? Its not like he was brilliant but the rest of his team blows too, even Lundquist looks kind of awful..

StarStruck

25339 Posts

October 15 2013 04:12 GMT

#675

On October 15 2013 12:59 Sub40APM wrote:
Vignoult just waived Biron because ?? Its not like he was brilliant but the rest of his team blows too, even Lundquist looks kind of awful..

It takes some time to ween off of Torte's style I guess. >_< I don't expect the NYR to have a big turn around by February. ;/

QuanticHawk

United States32157 Posts

October 15 2013 04:20 GMT

#676

dont get that much at all. he was a solid backup.

StarStruck

25339 Posts

October 15 2013 04:27 GMT

#677

On October 15 2013 13:20 QuanticHawk wrote:
dont get that much at all. he was a solid backup.

Just because of a few disastrous games I guess. -_-;;

xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

October 15 2013 04:40 GMT

#678

Why exactly do Oilers fans feel like their team needs to do something as drastic as trade for Ryan Miller? I'd think that they'd be able to snag at least a decent alternative for a second round pick. Miller will cost a lot more, and I'm not sure that sinking so many assets into him is the right move at this point. They're still a really young, inexperienced team.

iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

October 15 2013 05:04 GMT

#679

On October 15 2013 13:40 xDaunt wrote:
Why exactly do Oilers fans feel like their team needs to do something as drastic as trade for Ryan Miller? I'd think that they'd be able to snag at least a decent alternative for a second round pick. Miller will cost a lot more, and I'm not sure that sinking so many assets into him is the right move at this point. They're still a really young, inexperienced team.

Its simple really, we dont want a mediocre guy.

A mediocre guy would be nice, but I think that trade right now is also harder to make, especially when you factor in we at 50 contracts.

If you are going to make a trade and give up assets you better be damn sure that you are getting a legit 'Tender. Why gamble when you can trade futures for a sure thing?

sharkeyanti

United States1273 Posts

October 15 2013 06:15 GMT

#680

Okay let's entertain thought of EDM trading for Miller. He has a career .915 save percentage, which is a tick above the league average for the past 6-7 years. His career even strength save percentage is around the .923 range. Luongo's is somewhere in the .929 area at even strength. He had one fantastic year in 2009-2010, and has largely ridden that to be called "elite." He's 33. Goalies age pretty well, but he has had some worrying injuries. He is definitely an above average goalie. This analysis from a few years is pretty in-depth, and points out that he has that enviable quality of bailing out his team. Article

So I do believe he'd be a significant upgrade for EDM for at least 2 or 3 years. His skills could well deteriorate by then. Mactavish has a lot of assets to work with, and BUF is in a rebuild. Let's say EDM will be a mid level team this year. Cory Schneider went to NJD for a #9 pick and is better and younger than Miller, but most thought that NJD got a total steal for a franchise goalie. Miller is in a contract year, and has no reason to stay in EDM at this point. Why give BUF any more than a 2nd and 3rd round pick in addition to a #6-10 prospect? EDM could very well be terrible this year, and would not want to sacrifice a first rounder. If it's available, maybe trade a 1st rounder from 2015 for Miller. EDM should definitely not trade its young talent for a guy who will potentially leave after the year is done.

Most of the teams that have goalie issues of some kind are close to the cap and couldn't take Miller on, so they are unlikely to be in a bidding war. Except, of course, the Islanders! It makes so much sense for them to try to get him, but BUF may be wary to deal him in the conference. So if Miller does go to EDM, they have little incentive to overpay for one year of his services. I don't buy that he's "motivated" because of the Olympics. He's an incredible professional athlete who goes through ups and downs, and is proven to be at the very least better than most goaltenders.