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Subban is a great example of the disagreements that can exist over a player between the "saw-him-goods" and the numbers people. The truth, as always, will lie somewhere in the middle.
Sure, Subban makes mistakes in a game. And he is the type of player where those mistakes are going to be spectacular. So that one moment in a game is going to colour a person's entire assessment of him as a player. "He did something dumb, therefore he is overrated/a bum/cocky/french/whatever."
But people who instead focus on the underlying numbers of Subban's play will see nothing but an absolutely dominant defenseman. Easily one of the most dominant in the game.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OBEFs6Q.png)
I'm sure people can guess which bubble represents Subban. It's the big-ass blue one. As usual, Subban doesn't get an easy ride and totally kills it.
So he makes some mistakes. But that's part of his game. For every mistake he makes, he does two or three things that have a positive impact. He's an incredibly exciting player to watch and I love seeing defensemen take those kinds of risks when the end result is typically reward. As a fan, it makes the game much more entertaining than dump and chase, dump and chase, dump and chase.
I wonder how many average, young defensemen are going to be making a lot of money they don't really deserve now thanks to Subban. Given his last few seasons, he might have scared a lot of GMs away from those 'bridge contracts', such as the one he received. In his case, he is going to cost the Habs a lot more money now than he would have had they purchased some free-agent years in his previous contract. I guess that's the risk you take - but anyone who follows Subban would say there was no risk in signing him long term a few years back.
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Babcock , Yzerman et al had PK in the press box for most of the Olympics for good reasons.
the guy is caught out of position way too much to be considered the #1 defenseman in the NHL. More often than not though his positioning errors are more subtle than a blatant "caught out of position".
Subban is entertaining.
regarding his bridge contract. with some players its good to have them on a short leash. that's a judgement call on the part of management. currently, Montreal is getting the most out of Subban.
is he playing for the Cup and love of the game... or is he playing for his next contract?
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Canada8157 Posts
On May 07 2014 09:28 Orcasgt24 wrote:
I have never heard a post hit harder and more clearly than what Iginla just did. I have seen Chara shots go off the post and not ring that loud.
Price is dialed in. Boston is not beating him tonight with anything less then a crazy deflection off 2 guys
DIIIIIIIING at 1:50
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On May 08 2014 00:42 Flaccid wrote:Subban is a great example of the disagreements that can exist over a player between the "saw-him-goods" and the numbers people. The truth, as always, will lie somewhere in the middle. Sure, Subban makes mistakes in a game. And he is the type of player where those mistakes are going to be spectacular. So that one moment in a game is going to colour a person's entire assessment of him as a player. "He did something dumb, therefore he is overrated/a bum/cocky/french/whatever." But people who instead focus on the underlying numbers of Subban's play will see nothing but an absolutely dominant defenseman. Easily one of the most dominant in the game. I'm sure people can guess which bubble represents Subban. It's the big-ass blue one. As usual, Subban doesn't get an easy ride and totally kills it. So he makes some mistakes. But that's part of his game. For every mistake he makes, he does two or three things that have a positive impact. He's an incredibly exciting player to watch and I love seeing defensemen take those kinds of risks when the end result is typically reward. As a fan, it makes the game much more entertaining than dump and chase, dump and chase, dump and chase. I wonder how many average, young defensemen are going to be making a lot of money they don't really deserve now thanks to Subban. Given his last few seasons, he might have scared a lot of GMs away from those 'bridge contracts', such as the one he received. In his case, he is going to cost the Habs a lot more money now than he would have had they purchased some free-agent years in his previous contract. I guess that's the risk you take - but anyone who follows Subban would say there was no risk in signing him long term a few years back.
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but how man 'cup winz' does he have???
real talk: worth noting that the ozs for Montreal is shitty across the board because Therrien's stupid system kills their possession. But yeah, PK kills it with some hard minutes.
Dog Murray's the big red dot sitting on 46.5 isn't he? Christ he sucks. He used to be pretty decent years ago until his speed completely went in the tank.
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On May 08 2014 02:37 Jer99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 09:28 Orcasgt24 wrote:
I have never heard a post hit harder and more clearly than what Iginla just did. I have seen Chara shots go off the post and not ring that loud.
Price is dialed in. Boston is not beating him tonight with anything less then a crazy deflection off 2 guys DIIIIIIIING at 1:50
Haha yeah. Good ringing! And not much farther into that video is the first goal for Boston, a double deflection off a face off win :p
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Ok, obviously Subban isn't actually the smartest hockey player in the world. It was a joke directed at JJR.
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As we are talking about Slewban, I love him off the ice, but fuck that guy with the wide end of a rake when hes playing.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
well fuck this. rip rangers
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christ the pp SUCKSSSSSSSSSSS
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DAMNIT.
This offense is just brutal this series wtf.
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That is one silent arena.
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Canada8157 Posts
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The Rangers completely shit away that game. MAF MAF'ed on the 2nd goal... which was just their 2nd shot of the 3rd more than 10 min in. That's fucking awful. The penguins are not that good defensively to be only putting 17 on net wtf
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Thats so fucking hardcore the guy on the blackhawks who can't speak for a few weeks but can still play hockey due to a puck to the face.
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The Penguins outplayed The Rangers. No whining or moaning required.
It looks like Orpik is hurt again.
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On May 08 2014 11:28 Sermokala wrote:
Thats so fucking hardcore the guy on the blackhawks who can't speak for a few weeks but can still play hockey due to a puck to the face.
Swedish vikings, bro. Fuck speaking, as long as you can play motherfucking hockey!
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On May 08 2014 00:42 Flaccid wrote:Subban is a great example of the disagreements that can exist over a player between the "saw-him-goods" and the numbers people. The truth, as always, will lie somewhere in the middle. Sure, Subban makes mistakes in a game. And he is the type of player where those mistakes are going to be spectacular. So that one moment in a game is going to colour a person's entire assessment of him as a player. "He did something dumb, therefore he is overrated/a bum/cocky/french/whatever." But people who instead focus on the underlying numbers of Subban's play will see nothing but an absolutely dominant defenseman. Easily one of the most dominant in the game. I'm sure people can guess which bubble represents Subban. It's the big-ass blue one. As usual, Subban doesn't get an easy ride and totally kills it. So he makes some mistakes. But that's part of his game. For every mistake he makes, he does two or three things that have a positive impact. He's an incredibly exciting player to watch and I love seeing defensemen take those kinds of risks when the end result is typically reward. As a fan, it makes the game much more entertaining than dump and chase, dump and chase, dump and chase. I wonder how many average, young defensemen are going to be making a lot of money they don't really deserve now thanks to Subban. Given his last few seasons, he might have scared a lot of GMs away from those 'bridge contracts', such as the one he received. In his case, he is going to cost the Habs a lot more money now than he would have had they purchased some free-agent years in his previous contract. I guess that's the risk you take - but anyone who follows Subban would say there was no risk in signing him long term a few years back.
Sorry to rain on the Subban parade here, but I wouldn't call a corsi at 51% while not being top 2 in matchups on the team "not an easy ride and killing it." Norris trophy competing defensemen should see the toughest matchups and still do well (Like a Suter, Pietrangelo, Doughty, Karlsson, Weber), or do outstanding away from them (Duncan Kieth, although his matchups are a big knock against his case this year). Subban is obviously not an average defenseman, but his performance doesn't measure up with the top guys in the league.
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