EPTOn March 28 2014 11:57 FaCE_1 wrote:
Wel we won so
Habs cup !
Wel we won so
Habs cup !
Montreal's 4th goal was off side.
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16445 Posts
Montreal's 4th goal was off side. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32028 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ht8jybP.jpg) Hasek owned. It's so silly that the best goalie debate almost always centers around Roy/Brodeur. Roy played part of his career in the 80s and was elite at his position three different decades. He's better of those two pretty easily imo, and neither had anywhere close to the dominance that Hasek had. they just had longevity and cups | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16445 Posts
ok, great, if u remove longevity then Bernie Parent is the GOAT. he had a GAA of 2 in a high scoring time on a team that was short handed half the game. Parent gets injured and the Flyers are never the same. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Had Hasek won in '99 you might have a point. the 1986 and 1993 Canadiens had no business winning a stanley cup. especially the 1986 canadiens. and in the 1980s there was a lot more goal scoring. Hasek played right in the heart of the "duck puck era" with scoring very low. Hasek had his opportunities in the 80s playing in stuff like the 1987 Canada Cup... he got lit up and was ignored when the iron curtain fell because of his poor play in that and other international events. regarding this save % silliness: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-goalies-better-with-high-shot-volumes/ as a result, a guy like Mike Palmateer "appears to be" better than Ken Dryden. Hasek was a really good goalie. and made to appear better than he was precisely because he was on some bad teams. Roy and Parent were better and have the hardware to prove it. | ||
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KelianQatar
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The Flyers had about 2000 minutes in penalties.... all the other team's penalties hovered around 1000 minutes making Bernie Parent's Vezina and Conn Smythe awards a miracle from God. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 29 2014 02:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote: regarding this save % silliness: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-goalies-better-with-high-shot-volumes/ as a result, a guy like Mike Palmateer "appears to be" better than Ken Dryden. Hasek was a really good goalie. and made to appear better than he was precisely because he was on some bad teams. Roy actually faced more shots per game on average than Hasek over their careers. Hasek is also the only player to ever face the most shots and have the highest SV % in the same season. Additionally, you're going to have an incredibly hard time convincing anyone that his superior GAA was enhanced by playing on bad teams. On March 29 2014 02:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Roy and Parent were better and have the hardware to prove it. Six Vezinas, two Harts, three Jennings, two Cups (though he saw limited playing time in '08) and an Olympic gold. He certainly has the hardware as well. If you're going to punish him for playing on bad teams, you can't criticize him for not winning more championships. Plus, he earns style points for his crazy approach in net. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16445 Posts
i didn't bring up the longevity thing ... a different poster did that... Parent's 2 years stretch is the best any goalie ever had. 2 Vezina's 2 Conn Smythes 2 Stanley Cups in 2 years. in net on the most penalized team in the NHL by a huge margin. after he got injured the Flyers never were the same. Parent could not play in the Olympics because back then "pros were not allowed". for Hasek's 2nd Cup "win" ... he lost his job half way through the opening round when they were playing the worst team to make hte playoffs that year. he looked great sitting on the bench... no one can open a door on line changes better than the dominator eh? | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
Aso, this is Hasek. Love that guy. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16445 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_peaceful_gatherings_in_history only 1 other Stanley Cup parade is listed. and we know who won the Vezina and Conn Smythe for a team with 70% more penalties than the next most penalized team in the NHL. 47 Wins held for 33 years and only was eclipsed after the NHL eliminated the tie game. The entire "broad street bully" concept of play would've been abandoned in its infancy if it didn't have Parent to back the whole thing up. He is the one who made the repercussions from all those penalties just disappear. | ||
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Sub40APM
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On March 29 2014 13:01 Sub40APM wrote: Toronto, lol. Because I've been dejected about the Leafs for 1.5 weeks already, this loss isn't as painful! :D Hell hath no disappointment like that of a Leafs fan. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
And hey, Ferance scored the OT winner to beat the Ducks. Bomb from the point | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32028 Posts
On March 29 2014 03:27 kitaman27 wrote: Roy actually faced more shots per game on average than Hasek over their careers. Hasek is also the only player to ever face the most shots and have the highest SV % in the same season. Additionally, you're going to have an incredibly hard time convincing anyone that his superior GAA was enhanced by playing on bad teams. Six Vezinas, two Harts, three Jennings, two Cups (though he saw limited playing time in '08) and an Olympic gold. He certainly has the hardware as well. If you're going to punish him for playing on bad teams, you can't criticize him for not winning more championships. Plus, he earns style points for his crazy approach in net. Exactly. He had a sky high sv%, and he had a great gaa during his time there. That's a sign of a dude who was absolutely dominant, not someone whose stats were padded by facing a lot of shots. And he still piled up shutouts despite facing a lot of shots in a few of those seasons. His stats during the dead puck era from 93 to about 99 were better than Roy or Brodeur almost every year, and those two played on far better teams which is why they're constantly brought up. That and he does not have the totals because he had 13 years as a starter vs 17 for Roy vs nearly 20 (depending whatever you consider this year as) for Marty In other news, fuckin Leafs lol. Lucky for them, CBJ lost again, but they've still got two more games played than pretty much anyone else in the wc hunt there. The Detroit game is pretty much a must win | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
On March 29 2014 13:09 Blisse wrote: Because I've been dejected about the Leafs for 1.5 weeks already, this loss isn't as painful! :D Hell hath no disappointment like that of a Leafs fan. My apathy kicked in after the blues game. It was bad enough being down 4-1, but the worst part was getting to 4-3 and then seeing them score the empty netter and crushing my hopes for the second time in one game... at this point, I don't mind seeing the leafs plummet so we get a better draft and hopefully see carlyle canned. I just need a team to bandwaggon on for the playoffs that isn't mtl. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On March 29 2014 23:01 QuanticHawk wrote: In other news, fuckin Leafs lol. Lucky for them, CBJ lost again, but they've still got two more games played than pretty much anyone else in the wc hunt there. The Detroit game is pretty much a must win looks like all the teams in the wild card race are busy tripping themselves up. CBJ, the Caps today, the Wings against Montreal Thursday. The two wildcard winners seems like its going to go down to the least incompetent teams. | ||
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nikj
Canada669 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32028 Posts
On March 30 2014 06:15 Sub40APM wrote: looks like all the teams in the wild card race are busy tripping themselves up. CBJ, the Caps today, the Wings against Montreal Thursday. The two wildcard winners seems like its going to go down to the least incompetent teams. Seriously. Washington and Toronto are fuckedi n similar ways. Oates has no fucking idea what he is doing, and both gms are puttng together some flawed teams. On March 30 2014 07:07 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: for me Roy is the best. He revolutionized his position and won lots of hardware. What stands out to me though is his winning attitude. He was able to convince himself, his teammates and even the other team that he was the shit, then hed activate the forcefield and you would lose. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaiN8HjEy74 I can obviously see an argument for him. I just dont' see one for Marty. Roy and Hasek were about the same age, but Hasek didn't break into the NHL until about the same time as Marty. But Hasek was just much, much better during his peak years. Marty had several outstanding years, but he pretty much got his Vezinas due Hasek finally dropping off and his rep. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On March 30 2014 07:39 QuanticHawk wrote: Seriously. Washington and Toronto are fuckedi n similar ways. Oates has no fucking idea what he is doing, and both gms are puttng together some flawed teams. I dont really understand how the GM of the Capitals still has a job. Anyway, the Wings are in their own way fucked up. Holland clearly had no plan to replace the total destruction of his blue line. Rafalski, Lidstrom and Stuart were replaced in depth with Erickson, Kronwall and Quincey and they arent half the players they are supposed to replace. The worst part is, its not like the forward depth where Tatar and Nyquist are clearly emerging as the new second line while Dats/Zet are there and then upgrade to a first line when they finally move but who is there to step up on defense? Maybe DeKayser can be a 2nd pairing D guy in 2-3 years but otherwise they all look completely and utterly lost. Even if they had gotten Sutter the defense would have been a disaster. | ||
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