Every GSL event has had Ro32 terran plurality - Page 3

On December 02 2012 09:33 Inquisitor1323 wrote:
wow cool story bro. Guess what, a lot of Koreans play terran. If a lot more people play one race than the other races, they are going to have more representation in the ro32. Why don't you stop presenting bullshit irrelevant counter points for an argument you know is true.

On December 02 2012 09:25 Krychek wrote:
I want to point a basic flaw about the op.

The fact that T was for long time unbalanced, or their partial dominance months/years ago, has nothing to do with race/unit imbalance right now.

If a race or unit was op or up in the past, have nothing to do with the patch going right now.

And for the record, in the T dominance, watching foreigner T's beating korean non-Ts was NOT common.

Now watching foreigners Zs winning vs top non-z koreans it is indeed very common.

On December 02 2012 09:33 Inquisitor1323 wrote:
wow cool story bro. Guess what, a lot of Koreans play terran. If a lot more people play one race than the other races, they are going to have more representation in the ro32. Why don't you stop presenting bullshit irrelevant counter points for an argument you know is true.

On December 02 2012 09:40 Lunares wrote:


The point is that regardless of "balance changes", the terran representation (and zerg and protoss) pretty much hasn't changed. If there really had been such a massive balance change so that zerg op was true (as people are crying so hard about right now) then we would expect the zerg representation in the Ro32 to go up. And it hasn't. It just goes to show how balanced the game really is and that we shouldn't be crying imba imba just because of a ZvZ finals.



Unless more koreans started playing terran in the last 5 months than at the start of the game, why would their representation stay the same if it really was "zerg op"? My point is that the game is mostly balanced. Any shifts are extremely minor and people need to stop whining about them.

On December 02 2012 09:53 Inquisitor1323 wrote:

Where have you been for the last 8 months? Look at the most recent IPL statistics, zerg winrate in ZvT was around 70%. Go watch some late-game TvZ or PvZ and then tell us about how the game is "mostly balanced."

On December 02 2012 10:12 Lunares wrote:


You are confirming my point. People are looking at single tournaments, or a single player on a hotstreak. One player tearing through a tournament can singlehandedly raise their races winrate for that tourny by quite a bit. I see players on both races winning in both late game TvZ and PvZ when I look objectively. Most people just focus on the games where their races lose. Talking about the WAY they lose is very different from being balanced, e.g. Z wins really easily late game when they get there with no pressure, whereas all the T/P wins are hard fought after keeping Z economy down. Even if that happens at 50/50 (e.g. balanced) it LOOKS unbalanced.

When you look at the only consistent, continual tournament the race distribution hasn't changed. The tournament with the best of the best playing each other all the time. This despite all sorts of things, such as map pool changes, kespa players, patches, etc. It just goes to show how balanced the game is and how resilient balance is to being changed. Blizzard does need to alter the game to shake things up and make sure the metagame doesn't become stale/boring. But in terms of actual balance? It's fine. The fact that more terrans haven't dropped out of code S after 2 years of Code S shows that.

On December 02 2012 07:35 arcane1129 wrote:


EU ladder: http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/eu/1/all

KR: (zerg is lowest % in gm and masters actually) http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/fea/1/all

Global: http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all

Who are you trying to fool?

On December 02 2012 09:25 Krychek wrote:
I want to point a basic flaw about the op.

The fact that T was for long time unbalanced, or their partial dominance months/years ago, has nothing to do with race/unit imbalance right now.

If a race or unit was op or up in the past, have nothing to do with the patch going right now.

And for the record, in the T dominance, watching foreigner T's beating korean non-Ts was NOT common.

Now watching foreigners Zs winning vs top non-z koreans it is indeed very common.

On December 02 2012 11:36 Fuzer wrote:

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what the heck are you talking about?
http://starcraft2.fi/suomiladder_gm.php
theres % of every ladder in world.

On December 02 2012 11:58 arcane1129 wrote:


Did you just try to say that the links I posted to sc2ranks are wrong by linking to an obscure site that contains the same stats, only with less overall information (and not in English)?

On December 02 2012 12:01 Fuzer wrote:


No, I posted a link which has top 100 top 50, which is not same as GM. Its not hard to get to GM but its hard to stay on top, and zerg dominance in the TOP is huge.

On December 02 2012 12:05 arcane1129 wrote:


If you want to use a smaller sample size to represent only the very top players, why don't we just use code S?

On December 02 2012 12:06 Shiori wrote:

8 of 9 Zergs advanced from the first round. Your move.

On December 02 2012 07:44 Lunares wrote:
I feel like people are missing the point. The point is that throughout all the balance changes, metagame shifts, map changes, player changes, etc Terran has maintained it's status as the most players in the highest competitive league.

As people have stated this is most likely due to more terran players. And that's my point. The game is NOT imbalanced. All the shifts have served to change the way the game is played. But it's not like all of a sudden the game is crazy imbalanced towards zerg. Even with the patch the overall race representation hasn't changed that much. Players adapt. This is just a reminder of how slowly player representation changes, even when massive changes (e.g. patch 1.4.3) occur. Just give the game time, enjoy what you watch, and wait for HotS if you are unhappy since there just isn't enough time to change the game by then (unless you just want to imbalance it completely, that's easy).