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Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 18:22:02
January 11 2013 18:18 GMT
#161
Because there is a large number of Korean Terrans you cant' use that to discuss the balance. Pointless and whining thread imo

edit: Oh and in other thread we got another numbers of Terran ( 1 or 2 lol )

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392537
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My_Fake_Plastic_Luv
Profile Joined March 2010
United States257 Posts
January 11 2013 19:41 GMT
#162
Quit being so cute... word you are looking for is "majority" not "plurality." Dictionary definitions do indeed say majority refers to more than half, but in a societal context it is appropriate to use when one thing has the greatest representation. Plurality refers to the amount by which the one (T for example) group is greater than the other (Z for example)... Also for this to be realistic study of balance, then you should be looking a proportions.
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S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
January 11 2013 19:44 GMT
#163
So if there was only 1 pro Zerg in the world, and he had a 100% win rate in every matchup vT and vP, Zerg would still be underpowered since they are at most 1/32 in every round of 32?
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
January 11 2013 19:47 GMT
#164
Yes, because more people play Terran.

CASE CLOSED
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
January 11 2013 19:50 GMT
#165
On January 12 2013 04:47 Jinsho wrote:
Yes, because more people play Terran.

CASE CLOSED


Definitely doesn't feel like it.

Maybe because most people don't.
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derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 19:53:10
January 11 2013 19:52 GMT
#166
The best players in Korea (aka The game) are Terrans, thats all there is to it.
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Swift118
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom335 Posts
January 11 2013 19:58 GMT
#167
Terran seems to be the most popular race with Koreans, I suppose Nada, Boxer and Flash have all drawn in a lot of fans over the years. Add to that the fact that Terran was the strongest race for a long period of sc2's history and we got a shit ton of T's in GSL. Despite T's still slightly ahead in numbers there can be no mistake to what is the strongest race right now, at all levels, take last gsl season as a good clue to how a lot of results have been looking the last few months;

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_5/Code_S_Statistics
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 20:00:16
January 11 2013 19:58 GMT
#168
On January 12 2013 04:52 derpface wrote:
The best players in Korea (aka The game) are Terrans, thats all there is to it.



hahahaha I dont even...

These threads, no matter how well-writted they might be, always evolve into balance-wining / flaming threads.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 20:02:49
January 11 2013 20:00 GMT
#169
On January 11 2013 23:09 exog wrote:
Haha so fun to se the terrans squirming trying to undermine the objective numbers to support their view... Cheers with your tears.

So you think it's reliable to refer to stats from 1 or 2 years ago, with a total different patch situation and total different maps, to discuss the current balance? Is that what you want to tell us?

either way, the thread is totally obsolete, since we now have the first season in GSL history, where terran is not the most dominant race in Code S
NKexquisite
Profile Joined January 2009
United States911 Posts
January 11 2013 20:01 GMT
#170
If there's more Terran in Round of 32 shouldn't a Terrain aside from MVP be winning GSLs? Or at least getting to the finals? Is it more telling to look at Round of 32 or Round of 8 onwards?
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DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 20:10:01
January 11 2013 20:05 GMT
#171
On January 12 2013 04:47 Jinsho wrote:
Yes, because more people play Terran.

CASE CLOSED

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/User:DiMano You can count how much korean players of every race.
Total number ~250
~76 in GSL 19
~84 in GSL 13
~79 in GSL 15
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
January 11 2013 20:10 GMT
#172
Yep. It prooves that terran is OP despite them winning nothing and zergs dominating the sc2 scene. Legit.
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 20:13:01
January 11 2013 20:12 GMT
#173
On January 12 2013 05:10 Huragius wrote:
Yep. It prooves that terran is OP despite them winning nothing and zergs dominating the sc2 scene. Legit.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists/Race
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D_K_night
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada615 Posts
January 11 2013 20:12 GMT
#174
Specifically with regards to the statistics talk - there's a common thing we're seeing here. "the sample size is too small" - we've been seeing this statement made for the past few years now, whether it be true or false(in the context used).

If we really can't go by the stats presented here - there's no true authority to state where and when the sample size would be deemed "large enough" without accusations of cherry-picking the data to suit a dark agenda.

The data can be interpreted in just about any way possible. Let's look at this current GSL season, where T and Z both have healthy representation, with some new and old faces representing each sides. We have P with the lowest representation.

No matter what happens this season - people will come to conclusions which line up against what they already pre-condition themselves to believe, which leads to angry balance talk. If we end up with a PvP finals...what does that mean?
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DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 20:17:57
January 11 2013 20:16 GMT
#175
On January 12 2013 05:12 D_K_night wrote:
Specifically with regards to the statistics talk - there's a common thing we're seeing here. "the sample size is too small" - we've been seeing this statement made for the past few years now, whether it be true or false(in the context used).

If we really can't go by the stats presented here - there's no true authority to state where and when the sample size would be deemed "large enough" without accusations of cherry-picking the data to suit a dark agenda.

The data can be interpreted in just about any way possible. Let's look at this current GSL season, where T and Z both have healthy representation, with some new and old faces representing each sides. We have P with the lowest representation.

No matter what happens this season - people will come to conclusions which line up against what they already pre-condition themselves to believe, which leads to angry balance talk. If we end up with a PvP finals...what does that mean?

That it will be 2nd PvP final while we had 2 ZvZ and 5 TvT.''The sample size is too small'' buit it is formed by qualifciatons (Code A and Up and Down) where always dominates.
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
January 11 2013 20:25 GMT
#176
On January 12 2013 05:12 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 05:10 Huragius wrote:
Yep. It prooves that terran is OP despite them winning nothing and zergs dominating the sc2 scene. Legit.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists/Race
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hahahahahahaa. are you seriously quoting 2 year old data right now? :D:D:D
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DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 20:32:30
January 11 2013 20:32 GMT
#177
Are you actually watching the games or you just using statistics just because statistics is a best argument? If you really do, I hope you will reconsider the whole post.

People figured out that you can force zergs to do anything besides 1a with BL/winfestors. As statistics show, not every zerg player can do anything besides that.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
January 11 2013 20:36 GMT
#178
On December 02 2012 07:12 peia wrote:
this is because earlier, terran WAS the strongest race, ´but until mid 2012 terran has got the weakest (imao)
and because earlier there were so many terrans because it was the strongest race, there still is this big MASS of korean terrans, who are still pretty good at the game, they belong into code S, and if you look at EU ladder 10 % terran, 30 % toss 60 % zerg, and also at IPL the race distribution is a big big joke


I would say Terran was the strongest race early on only because of the small maps...
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DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
January 11 2013 20:38 GMT
#179
On January 12 2013 05:36 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:12 peia wrote:
this is because earlier, terran WAS the strongest race, ´but until mid 2012 terran has got the weakest (imao)
and because earlier there were so many terrans because it was the strongest race, there still is this big MASS of korean terrans, who are still pretty good at the game, they belong into code S, and if you look at EU ladder 10 % terran, 30 % toss 60 % zerg, and also at IPL the race distribution is a big big joke


I would say Terran was the strongest race early on only because of the small maps...

So they nerfed early game and made maps bigger.
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 20:41:12
January 11 2013 20:39 GMT
#180
On January 12 2013 05:36 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:12 peia wrote:
this is because earlier, terran WAS the strongest race, ´but until mid 2012 terran has got the weakest (imao)
and because earlier there were so many terrans because it was the strongest race, there still is this big MASS of korean terrans, who are still pretty good at the game, they belong into code S, and if you look at EU ladder 10 % terran, 30 % toss 60 % zerg, and also at IPL the race distribution is a big big joke


I would say Terran was the strongest race early on only because of the small maps...

I wonder do you guys watch GSL or only finals? In Code A and Up and Downs always have better results. For example this season PvT:18-30.
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