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On January 12 2013 05:25 Greenei wrote:hahahahahahaa. are you seriously quoting 2 year old data right now? :D:D:D
Well I think he is right. I guess I should just learn how to play, because Terrans were doing pretty good in WoL Beta. Thanks man.
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On January 12 2013 05:45 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:25 Greenei wrote:hahahahahahaa. are you seriously quoting 2 year old data right now? :D:D:D Well I think he is right. I guess I should just learn how to play, because Terrans were doing pretty good in WoL Beta. Thanks man. Watch Code A and Up and Down and l2p bro.
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On January 12 2013 05:46 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:45 Huragius wrote:On January 12 2013 05:25 Greenei wrote:hahahahahahaa. are you seriously quoting 2 year old data right now? :D:D:D Well I think he is right. I guess I should just learn how to play, because Terrans were doing pretty good in WoL Beta. Thanks man. Watch Code A and Up and Down and l2p bro.
Ok bro. You found one tournament (which is GSL) and you try to manipulate it's statistics as much as possible to prove your false statements.Yay. Bro.
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On January 12 2013 05:47 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:46 DiMano wrote:On January 12 2013 05:45 Huragius wrote:On January 12 2013 05:25 Greenei wrote:hahahahahahaa. are you seriously quoting 2 year old data right now? :D:D:D Well I think he is right. I guess I should just learn how to play, because Terrans were doing pretty good in WoL Beta. Thanks man. Watch Code A and Up and Down and l2p bro. Ok bro. You found one tournament (which is GSL) and you try to manipulate it's statistics as much as possible to prove your false statements.Yay. Bro. No man I watch every game of GSL and SPL and I see that terrans have good results.
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On January 12 2013 05:49 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:47 Huragius wrote:On January 12 2013 05:46 DiMano wrote:On January 12 2013 05:45 Huragius wrote:On January 12 2013 05:25 Greenei wrote:hahahahahahaa. are you seriously quoting 2 year old data right now? :D:D:D Well I think he is right. I guess I should just learn how to play, because Terrans were doing pretty good in WoL Beta. Thanks man. Watch Code A and Up and Down and l2p bro. Ok bro. You found one tournament (which is GSL) and you try to manipulate it's statistics as much as possible to prove your false statements.Yay. Bro. No man I watch every game of GSL and SPL and I see that terrans have good results.
Cool. How about other tournaments ?
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On January 12 2013 05:56 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:49 DiMano wrote:On January 12 2013 05:47 Huragius wrote:On January 12 2013 05:46 DiMano wrote:On January 12 2013 05:45 Huragius wrote:On January 12 2013 05:25 Greenei wrote:hahahahahahaa. are you seriously quoting 2 year old data right now? :D:D:D Well I think he is right. I guess I should just learn how to play, because Terrans were doing pretty good in WoL Beta. Thanks man. Watch Code A and Up and Down and l2p bro. Ok bro. You found one tournament (which is GSL) and you try to manipulate it's statistics as much as possible to prove your false statements.Yay. Bro. No man I watch every game of GSL and SPL and I see that terrans have good results. Cool. How about other tournaments ? Other tournaments have weaker player competition and are worth less. If you were not trying to falsely prove your point you would remember that during the time Toss were doing "bad" they were only doing bad in GSL but were more then competitive in these other tournaments but that didn't prevent every toss out there from screaming murder.
And anyone claiming Terran are doing bad in GSL is crazy. Winning GSL does not determine balance, only determines which player plays best at that moment. Top 32 players on the other hand (ro32) does say well about racial balance (or top 64 or even top 100.
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gsl you say? refer to my signature. International tournaments you say?Refer to tlpd .
GSL has had lots of terrans for various reasons, but not anything even slightly close to what the sneaky op is trying to imply.
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Watching the actual games is more important then raw statistics. Zerg won the first 2 or 3? GSLs while being undeniably the weakest race. Watching the games revealed that Terran and Protoss players just didn't know what to do or played..bad.
At present, Zerg is to safe in early game and has to strong of an end game due to IMBA Infestors. This two things make Zerg games ugly to watch and give "average" Zerg players decent odds at beating superior Terran and Protoss players.
Whether Zerg is flat out IMBA or is a case of having strong units that are "to" easy to use is debatable. What is clear is that not so good Zerg players are wining way to much against better players. It's very hard to "out play" a Zerg.
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scarlett 3hatch before pool, ryung 11/11 rax... gets the floor wiped with himself when it mattered. my only question is... who was scarlett prior to the queen buff? who was ryung? one was code s level, the other...? not so much
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On January 12 2013 06:01 IshinShishi wrote: gsl you say? refer to my signature. International tournaments you say?Refer to tlpd .
GSL has had lots of terrans for various reasons, but not anything even slightly close to what the sneaky op is trying to imply.
Set win ratio for T in TvZ: 46.7%... Its not THAT bad.
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On January 12 2013 06:29 MyNameIsAlex wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 06:01 IshinShishi wrote: gsl you say? refer to my signature. International tournaments you say?Refer to tlpd .
GSL has had lots of terrans for various reasons, but not anything even slightly close to what the sneaky op is trying to imply. Set win ratio for T in TvZ: 46.7%... Not bad at all. Yeah. it's near 50%!
if you round up a lot!
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Just how the metagame developed. Terran had the best cheeses and the most survivability on one base (2010's year of one base all ins), had the best defense capabilities and could hold two base all ins (2011), and now that we're in the year of macro fests Zerg has gotten a stake in things from how the race is oriented around macro
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On January 12 2013 06:30 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 06:29 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On January 12 2013 06:01 IshinShishi wrote: gsl you say? refer to my signature. International tournaments you say?Refer to tlpd .
GSL has had lots of terrans for various reasons, but not anything even slightly close to what the sneaky op is trying to imply. Set win ratio for T in TvZ: 46.7%... Not bad at all. Yeah. it's near 50%! if you round up a lot!
Up until +-5% is considered "balanced" since a metagame shift can push it both sides. Thing is Ts have not created a new strat except MVP who stopped playing due to his wrists.
TvP is 52%... Should P cry?
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very good Lunares.
If we consider all the GSL tournaments, protoss race is the weakest.
This is the 3rd season with only 5 protoss.
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On January 12 2013 06:28 RaMBO2 wrote: scarlett 3hatch before pool, ryung 11/11 rax... gets the floor wiped with himself when it mattered. my only question is... who was scarlett prior to the queen buff? who was ryung? one was code s level, the other...? not so much who was Life before queen patch? Also a developing player. Sometimes it takes a while for someone good to come up.
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On January 12 2013 05:59 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:56 Huragius wrote:On January 12 2013 05:49 DiMano wrote:On January 12 2013 05:47 Huragius wrote:On January 12 2013 05:46 DiMano wrote:On January 12 2013 05:45 Huragius wrote:On January 12 2013 05:25 Greenei wrote:hahahahahahaa. are you seriously quoting 2 year old data right now? :D:D:D Well I think he is right. I guess I should just learn how to play, because Terrans were doing pretty good in WoL Beta. Thanks man. Watch Code A and Up and Down and l2p bro. Ok bro. You found one tournament (which is GSL) and you try to manipulate it's statistics as much as possible to prove your false statements.Yay. Bro. No man I watch every game of GSL and SPL and I see that terrans have good results. Cool. How about other tournaments ? Other tournaments have weaker player competition and are worth less. If you were not trying to falsely prove your point you would remember that during the time Toss were doing "bad" they were only doing bad in GSL but were more then competitive in these other tournaments but that didn't prevent every toss out there from screaming murder. And anyone claiming Terran are doing bad in GSL is crazy. Winning GSL does not determine balance, only determines which player plays best at that moment. Top 32 players on the other hand (ro32) does say well about racial balance (or top 64 or even top 100.
So you are very successfully manipulating one tournament statistics in order to prove 'balance' by discrediting other tournaments just because they are 'weaker'. Firstly, you compare different types of tournaments (GSL is a long preparation tournament, while tournaments like MLG are fast-paced ones) like they are the same. Then, you use incredibly small sample size of one tournament and act as it is proper balance proving argument just because it's 'highest' level. Then you take a statistic that would prove your 'truths' such as Rounds of X distributions. You don't take title wins because terrans have just as much as zergs do and you don't want to make zerg look strong, right ? Like it's not even enough, then even make a false statement like " If you were not trying to falsely prove your point" without actually proving that I'm proving my point 'falsely'. And then in the end, you put your words in my mouth like if I said them and even exaggerate them "And anyone claiming Terran are doing bad in GSL is crazy.". Did I say that Terrans are doing poorly in GSL ? No. I was implying that that are doing bad OVERALL. So please, don't be full of shit and don't try to prove your 'point' with fallacies.
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GSL is the most important tournament and where the best players play.
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United States5162 Posts
Just like the other thread about Protoss this thread has run it's course with balance debate.
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On January 12 2013 06:33 MyNameIsAlex wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 06:30 zhurai wrote:On January 12 2013 06:29 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On January 12 2013 06:01 IshinShishi wrote: gsl you say? refer to my signature. International tournaments you say?Refer to tlpd .
GSL has had lots of terrans for various reasons, but not anything even slightly close to what the sneaky op is trying to imply. Set win ratio for T in TvZ: 46.7%... Not bad at all. Yeah. it's near 50%! if you round up a lot! Up until +-5% is considered "balanced" since a metagame shift can push it both sides. Thing is Ts have not created a new strat except MVP who stopped playing due to his wrists. TvP is 52%... Should P cry? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm ~_~
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