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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 11:00:22
January 10 2013 10:59 GMT
#1
There seems to be a lull over the new-year period, so this time not much has changed. Zerg is still leading (a bit more than before), and Protoss is lagging (also more than before).

Note that some older games were added, so ratings will have changed in previous lists too.

In the top 10, DongRaeGu passes BaBy in the rankings. VortiX makes an appearance after gaining 118 points, and Jaedong sneaks in on 10th place after gaining 151. HerO and EffOrt fall out.
  1. Life 2860
  2. PartinG 2622
  3. Sniper 2569
  4. Bomber 2504
  5. HyuN 2491
  6. DongRaeGu 2472
  7. BaBy 2402
  8. VortiX 2391
  9. viOLet 2389
  10. Jaedong 2372
In the top 10 foreigner list, Welmu and LiveZerg appear after solid ZOTAC performances. They replace MacSed and Kas.
  1. VortiX 2391
  2. Scarlett 2246
  3. Sen 2240
  4. Snute 2181
  5. Welmu 2115
  6. Stephano 2113
  7. LucifroN 2087
  8. LiveZerg 2008
  9. TLO 2006
  10. XlorD 1986

New this week is the team ranking, at the moment displayed in percentages, but I will turn them into rating points soon when I figure out how to do it. Here's the allkill rank, which rewards topped teams:
  1. StarTale
  2. MVP
  3. SK Telecom T1
  4. Team Liquid
  5. FXOpen e-Sports Korea
  6. STX SouL
  7. Incredible Miracle
  8. KT Rolster
  9. Evil Geniuses
  10. Woongjin Stars
And the proleague-style rank, which rewards deep rosters (AZUBU in, Woongjin out):
  1. StarTale
  2. MVP
  3. SK Telecom T1
  4. STX SouL
  5. Team Liquid
  6. Incredible Miracle
  7. AZUBU
  8. Evil Geniuses
  9. FXOpen e-Sports Korea
  10. KT Rolster

New features from last week:
  • You can see all the recorded games for a player by going to the player page and clicking the "Match history" link. Example.
  • The records are now only counted once per player.
  • You can now sort the list by any of the four reported ratings.
  • We have a new Hall of Fame that attempts to assess performance over time. I failed a bit trying to put it into words, so here's an example. If Life is #1 on the list three times consecutively, with a rating gap of 10, 40 and 80 points, his PP for this period is 130. If he drops to number 2 but back to number 1 again (-10 and 20) his PP will be 140 over those five lists. The system will find the range for each player that gives them the maximal PP. Currently Bomber is demolishing this ranking due to his powerful run for four months in the spring and summer of 2011. Life is second, and he's piling up points as we speak. His run is nearly as long, but he hasn't been as far ahead of his peers as Bomber was.
  • As mentioned, the teams. I have been adding historical rosters, but they are incomplete still, and due to spotty record-keeping I'm not sure if I can ever provide historical team ratings . Still, the current rosters should be mostly correct.
  • The prediction interface has changed a bit, in anticipation of supporting prediction for groups and brackets.
In addition to this, the site should now be fully zoomable (try it, it's pretty sweet).

This time I would like some feedback from you guys, on two points. First, the HotS release is coming up. What to do? I was originally planning to do nothing and just let the ratings modify themselves (which happens quite quickly). I don't think the games are that different. The other thing I could do is reset all ratings to 1000 and start from scratch. This would mean that the ratings would become quite unreliable for a fairly long period of time (several months) until they readjust. The third option is that I keep the rating, but I reset the uncertainty. This would be akin to marking the WoL ratings as "less trusted", putting a far heavier weight on new results in HotS.

Poll: What strategy would you favour?

Reset uncertainties. (44)
 
54%

Reset ratings and uncertainties. (25)
 
30%

Do nothing. (13)
 
16%

82 total votes

Your vote: What strategy would you favour?

(Vote): Reset ratings and uncertainties.
(Vote): Reset uncertainties.
(Vote): Do nothing.


Secondly, fonts. I'm a sucker for serifs, but are you? All the tabular data keep the old sans-serif font, but the more textual things are now serif.

Poll: Font change?

Like it. (41)
 
89%

Hate it. (5)
 
11%

46 total votes

Your vote: Font change?

(Vote): Like it.
(Vote): Hate it.



To round off this post, I would like to thank my ever hardworking team of helpers. They are: KristofferAG, PhoenixVoid, Grovbolle, Conti (who was a great help with the team rosters), and new guy kiekaboe (who has been adding results like crazy).

Feedback is always appreciated (particularly on the two points above), but if you have any other suggestions or questions, may I kindly request that you read the FAQ first, as your question may have already been answered there.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
January 10 2013 11:03 GMT
#2
love you forever bro
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 10 2013 11:11 GMT
#3
I really like these keep it up.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 11:14:05
January 10 2013 11:13 GMT
#4
Just to clarify, these rankings represent who's dominant in a short period of time correct? Shorter than the ELO ranking of TL at least?

Anyways, you're doing an awesome job! Personally I'm not a serif fan+ Show Spoiler +
Helvetica forever :3
but I think the site looks great regardless.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 10 2013 11:16 GMT
#5
On January 10 2013 20:13 Targe wrote:
Just to clarify, these rankings represent who's dominant in a short period of time correct? Shorter than the ELO ranking of TL at least?

I think the word you're looking for is volatile, and the answer is that yeah, these ratings react quite quickly to apparent changes in skill.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Toxi78
Profile Joined May 2010
966 Posts
January 10 2013 11:16 GMT
#6
to be taken with a "grain of salt", considering MVP (surely the most dominant T we've seen in wol, don't think you can argue with that) appears ONCE in the terran hall of fame (http://aligulac.com/records/?race=T)
Bullet
Profile Joined June 2010
United States280 Posts
January 10 2013 11:20 GMT
#7
dang that's a whole lot of zerg!
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
January 10 2013 11:28 GMT
#8
Whoops, voted for the wrong thing. I'm all for just resetting uncertainties, but I voted for resetting uncertainties and ratings.

Great work, as always! It's fun to tinker with teams and the like and see small parts of the site change because you seem to be constantly working on it. :D
Ero-Sennin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States756 Posts
January 10 2013 11:38 GMT
#9
This is really cool!
Luck makes talent look like genius.
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
January 10 2013 11:39 GMT
#10
So yeah... Practically a zerg list.
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
January 10 2013 11:41 GMT
#11
holy zerg dominance

Can't wait for HOTS.

Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10135 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 11:43:36
January 10 2013 11:42 GMT
#12
Thank you theBB, even if there are some weird stuff (mostly with foreigners vs people who only play on korea, hehe you can see it with Vortix right now) most are really really accurate i would say. I had been comparing the results on up&downs with your prediction tool, and it's amazingly accurate for the most part.

Thanks again and keep up the awesome work you are doing.
Mattumsfox
Profile Joined April 2012
United States233 Posts
January 10 2013 11:43 GMT
#13
Can we get a list of the best protoss and terran?
Like 10 best protoss and 10 best terran?
Something without zerg? lol
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 10 2013 11:44 GMT
#14
On January 10 2013 20:16 Toxi78 wrote:
to be taken with a "grain of salt", considering MVP (surely the most dominant T we've seen in wol, don't think you can argue with that) appears ONCE in the terran hall of fame (http://aligulac.com/records/?race=T)

Mvp is good at winning tournaments. I don't think he was as far ahead of his peers as the paychecks indicated. Also this ranking tends to value very high performance over short periods of time over "quite" high performance over long periods of time. That's why I made the Hall of Fame (where Mvp is third).
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
kiekaboe
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands503 Posts
January 10 2013 11:44 GMT
#15
amazing work
not only with the list and the big changes like teampages, but also with the small changes.
http://aligulac.com check it out for stats :)
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
January 10 2013 11:48 GMT
#16
+ Show Spoiler +
7/10 Overall list is Zergs
8/10 Foreigner list is Zergs
Exactly how balance is now


Thanks for hard works, so interested
@taefoxy
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 10 2013 11:51 GMT
#17
On January 10 2013 20:43 Mattumsfox wrote:
Can we get a list of the best protoss and terran?
Like 10 best protoss and 10 best terran?
Something without zerg? lol

Haha, sure.

  1. PartinG 2622
  2. HerO 2303
  3. Rain 2292
  4. Creator 2238
  5. Tear 2219
  6. First 2210
  7. MC 2140
  8. Brown 2126
  9. Squirtle 2124
  10. sOs 2117

  1. Bomber 2504
  2. BaBy 2402
  3. Flash 2363
  4. Polt 2337
  5. Last 2337
  6. TaeJa 2314
  7. GuMiho 2274
  8. SuperNoVa 2262
  9. ForGG 2226
  10. MarineKing 2199
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
January 10 2013 11:51 GMT
#18
Sad Zealot. =(

Happy Startale!
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
January 10 2013 11:56 GMT
#19
Oh Brown. Almost there!
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 10 2013 12:01 GMT
#20
Cool to see Tear and First on the protoss list - they don't get nearly as much hype as other players like Yongwha.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
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