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Nice work! Keep up the good work. Likin these and nice to see top 10 toss and terran seperated out too
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Bomber #1 Terran! That's how you know TheBB's stats are LEGIT
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On January 12 2013 03:05 2muchSWAG wrote:
why is the top 10 foreigner so zerg heavy? you do know that good foreign terrans exist right? look at lucifron, major and thorzain. all examples of the many many good foreign terrans.
Because this is based off statistics and not personal opinion...
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On January 12 2013 03:14 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 03:05 2muchSWAG wrote:
why is the top 10 foreigner so zerg heavy? you do know that good foreign terrans exist right? look at lucifron, major and thorzain. all examples of the many many good foreign terrans. Because this is based off statistics and not personal opinion...
so what do the stats say about the zerg race compared to p and t?
User was warned for this post
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On January 12 2013 03:17 2muchSWAG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 03:14 Grovbolle wrote:On January 12 2013 03:05 2muchSWAG wrote:
why is the top 10 foreigner so zerg heavy? you do know that good foreign terrans exist right? look at lucifron, major and thorzain. all examples of the many many good foreign terrans. Because this is based off statistics and not personal opinion... so what do the stats say about the zerg race compared to p and t?
Why don't you take a look yourself 
http://aligulac.com/periods/
http://aligulac.com/periods/75/
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On January 12 2013 02:26 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 02:07 TheBB wrote:On January 12 2013 01:03 revel8 wrote:
I am curious as to why some tournaments matches are included but some are ignored. I noticed that Stephano's win in MSI Pro Cup 13 has been ignored. Also you include some qualifiers like the IEM Katowice qualifiers but ignore others such as the MLG Spring Arena qualifiers or the NASL 3 qualifiers. Why is that? What criteria did you use to inclue MSI Pro Cup #4 but not MSI Pro Cup #13? Just an oversight? It's actually a pretty monumental task, populating a database with "all" pro SC2 games ever played. We're only a handful of people doing this on a voluntary basis. If you notice something missing, as Grovbolle and Conti said, and just post a link to the results here in this thread. If you want I can get you a submitter account so you can push stuff yourself, too. I think it's pretty quick and painless. Pretty sure that we have the most complete database available anywhere at the time being, but as you have pointed out yourself, it's hardly perfect yet. Edit: Thanks a lot!! I don't want to be critical of your efforts, because it is alot of work and having looked through Stephano's match records it does seem pretty comprehensive (bar those 2012 results I noted above). I don't want to give the impression that I am whining or attempting to discredit your work. The opposite is true, I am impressed and pleased that such a sterling effort has been undertaken. I was just curious about some results that I had noticed were absent. It is perfectly understandable that some results were simply overlooked. 2012 had a ton of tournaments pretty much constantly and the games did not really ever stop. It is my limited understanding of your ranking system that means players get points based on the current rank of players they beat, so missing games can potentially significantly change the accuracy for numerous players. So adding in those results I have spotted were missing should lead to more complete and accurate rankings. Thanks for your efforts for the scene. I do appreciate it.
Finished adding the IPTL Season 1 Divisions. Both the Premier and the contender division. Should be updated with the next list I think
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On January 12 2013 04:25 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 02:26 revel8 wrote:On January 12 2013 02:07 TheBB wrote:On January 12 2013 01:03 revel8 wrote:
I am curious as to why some tournaments matches are included but some are ignored. I noticed that Stephano's win in MSI Pro Cup 13 has been ignored. Also you include some qualifiers like the IEM Katowice qualifiers but ignore others such as the MLG Spring Arena qualifiers or the NASL 3 qualifiers. Why is that? What criteria did you use to inclue MSI Pro Cup #4 but not MSI Pro Cup #13? Just an oversight? It's actually a pretty monumental task, populating a database with "all" pro SC2 games ever played. We're only a handful of people doing this on a voluntary basis. If you notice something missing, as Grovbolle and Conti said, and just post a link to the results here in this thread. If you want I can get you a submitter account so you can push stuff yourself, too. I think it's pretty quick and painless. Pretty sure that we have the most complete database available anywhere at the time being, but as you have pointed out yourself, it's hardly perfect yet. Edit: Thanks a lot!! I don't want to be critical of your efforts, because it is alot of work and having looked through Stephano's match records it does seem pretty comprehensive (bar those 2012 results I noted above). I don't want to give the impression that I am whining or attempting to discredit your work. The opposite is true, I am impressed and pleased that such a sterling effort has been undertaken. I was just curious about some results that I had noticed were absent. It is perfectly understandable that some results were simply overlooked. 2012 had a ton of tournaments pretty much constantly and the games did not really ever stop. It is my limited understanding of your ranking system that means players get points based on the current rank of players they beat, so missing games can potentially significantly change the accuracy for numerous players. So adding in those results I have spotted were missing should lead to more complete and accurate rankings. Thanks for your efforts for the scene. I do appreciate it. Finished adding the IPTL Season 1 Divisions. Both the Premier and the contender division. Should be updated with the next list I think
Thanks for the swift update! Appreciate it!
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On January 12 2013 04:36 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 04:25 Grovbolle wrote:On January 12 2013 02:26 revel8 wrote:On January 12 2013 02:07 TheBB wrote:On January 12 2013 01:03 revel8 wrote:
I am curious as to why some tournaments matches are included but some are ignored. I noticed that Stephano's win in MSI Pro Cup 13 has been ignored. Also you include some qualifiers like the IEM Katowice qualifiers but ignore others such as the MLG Spring Arena qualifiers or the NASL 3 qualifiers. Why is that? What criteria did you use to inclue MSI Pro Cup #4 but not MSI Pro Cup #13? Just an oversight? It's actually a pretty monumental task, populating a database with "all" pro SC2 games ever played. We're only a handful of people doing this on a voluntary basis. If you notice something missing, as Grovbolle and Conti said, and just post a link to the results here in this thread. If you want I can get you a submitter account so you can push stuff yourself, too. I think it's pretty quick and painless. Pretty sure that we have the most complete database available anywhere at the time being, but as you have pointed out yourself, it's hardly perfect yet. Edit: Thanks a lot!! I don't want to be critical of your efforts, because it is alot of work and having looked through Stephano's match records it does seem pretty comprehensive (bar those 2012 results I noted above). I don't want to give the impression that I am whining or attempting to discredit your work. The opposite is true, I am impressed and pleased that such a sterling effort has been undertaken. I was just curious about some results that I had noticed were absent. It is perfectly understandable that some results were simply overlooked. 2012 had a ton of tournaments pretty much constantly and the games did not really ever stop. It is my limited understanding of your ranking system that means players get points based on the current rank of players they beat, so missing games can potentially significantly change the accuracy for numerous players. So adding in those results I have spotted were missing should lead to more complete and accurate rankings. Thanks for your efforts for the scene. I do appreciate it. Finished adding the IPTL Season 1 Divisions. Both the Premier and the contender division. Should be updated with the next list I think Thanks for the swift update! Appreciate it!
The maps aren't "counted" yet though, so you won't see its effect before TheBB updates the entire thing.
No problem, it is pretty easy to add as long as there are complete records, courtesy of liquipedia <3
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On January 12 2013 04:39 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 04:36 revel8 wrote:On January 12 2013 04:25 Grovbolle wrote:On January 12 2013 02:26 revel8 wrote:On January 12 2013 02:07 TheBB wrote:On January 12 2013 01:03 revel8 wrote:
I am curious as to why some tournaments matches are included but some are ignored. I noticed that Stephano's win in MSI Pro Cup 13 has been ignored. Also you include some qualifiers like the IEM Katowice qualifiers but ignore others such as the MLG Spring Arena qualifiers or the NASL 3 qualifiers. Why is that? What criteria did you use to inclue MSI Pro Cup #4 but not MSI Pro Cup #13? Just an oversight? It's actually a pretty monumental task, populating a database with "all" pro SC2 games ever played. We're only a handful of people doing this on a voluntary basis. If you notice something missing, as Grovbolle and Conti said, and just post a link to the results here in this thread. If you want I can get you a submitter account so you can push stuff yourself, too. I think it's pretty quick and painless. Pretty sure that we have the most complete database available anywhere at the time being, but as you have pointed out yourself, it's hardly perfect yet. Edit: Thanks a lot!! I don't want to be critical of your efforts, because it is alot of work and having looked through Stephano's match records it does seem pretty comprehensive (bar those 2012 results I noted above). I don't want to give the impression that I am whining or attempting to discredit your work. The opposite is true, I am impressed and pleased that such a sterling effort has been undertaken. I was just curious about some results that I had noticed were absent. It is perfectly understandable that some results were simply overlooked. 2012 had a ton of tournaments pretty much constantly and the games did not really ever stop. It is my limited understanding of your ranking system that means players get points based on the current rank of players they beat, so missing games can potentially significantly change the accuracy for numerous players. So adding in those results I have spotted were missing should lead to more complete and accurate rankings. Thanks for your efforts for the scene. I do appreciate it. Finished adding the IPTL Season 1 Divisions. Both the Premier and the contender division. Should be updated with the next list I think Thanks for the swift update! Appreciate it! The maps aren't "counted" yet though, so you won't see its effect before TheBB updates the entire thing. No problem, it is pretty easy to add as long as there are complete records, courtesy of liquipedia <3
MSI pro cup and GD Studio arena 1 and 2 are added as well
EDIT: liquipedia is amazing, isn't it <3
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COME ON JAEDONG!
KEEP KICKING ASS GOGO <3.
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Just added the MLG Spring Invite only qualifiers for US, KR and EU.
I added the EU ones on the wrong date, but still within the same period, and it is only 3 days so you will have to survive with that...
Too many matches to redo :-P
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This is such an awesome website, thanks for this :D Also, does anyone else miss when Puma topped the elo (at least according the list) and DRG was the best vs Protoss but still was called the Terran killer?
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On January 12 2013 04:39 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 04:36 revel8 wrote:On January 12 2013 04:25 Grovbolle wrote:On January 12 2013 02:26 revel8 wrote:On January 12 2013 02:07 TheBB wrote:On January 12 2013 01:03 revel8 wrote:
I am curious as to why some tournaments matches are included but some are ignored. I noticed that Stephano's win in MSI Pro Cup 13 has been ignored. Also you include some qualifiers like the IEM Katowice qualifiers but ignore others such as the MLG Spring Arena qualifiers or the NASL 3 qualifiers. Why is that? What criteria did you use to inclue MSI Pro Cup #4 but not MSI Pro Cup #13? Just an oversight? It's actually a pretty monumental task, populating a database with "all" pro SC2 games ever played. We're only a handful of people doing this on a voluntary basis. If you notice something missing, as Grovbolle and Conti said, and just post a link to the results here in this thread. If you want I can get you a submitter account so you can push stuff yourself, too. I think it's pretty quick and painless. Pretty sure that we have the most complete database available anywhere at the time being, but as you have pointed out yourself, it's hardly perfect yet. Edit: Thanks a lot!! I don't want to be critical of your efforts, because it is alot of work and having looked through Stephano's match records it does seem pretty comprehensive (bar those 2012 results I noted above). I don't want to give the impression that I am whining or attempting to discredit your work. The opposite is true, I am impressed and pleased that such a sterling effort has been undertaken. I was just curious about some results that I had noticed were absent. It is perfectly understandable that some results were simply overlooked. 2012 had a ton of tournaments pretty much constantly and the games did not really ever stop. It is my limited understanding of your ranking system that means players get points based on the current rank of players they beat, so missing games can potentially significantly change the accuracy for numerous players. So adding in those results I have spotted were missing should lead to more complete and accurate rankings. Thanks for your efforts for the scene. I do appreciate it. Finished adding the IPTL Season 1 Divisions. Both the Premier and the contender division. Should be updated with the next list I think Thanks for the swift update! Appreciate it! The maps aren't "counted" yet though, so you won't see its effect before TheBB updates the entire thing. No problem, it is pretty easy to add as long as there are complete records, courtesy of liquipedia <3
Just spotted a few more mistakes.
Firstly, the MLG Spring Arena 2 Euro qualifiers games have been added but the Socke-Stephano result is given 5-3 to the German when it was actually 5-3 in Stephano's favour (as an aggregation of 2 series).
Relevent games were on May 10th 2012
http://aligulac.com/players/10/results/
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Spring/Qualifier/Invite/Europe
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Secondly, the MLG Summer Arena results for Stephano against Oz are listed as 2-1 and 4-1 to Oz. The scores were actually 2-1 and 2-0 to Oz for an aggregated total of 4-1 to the Korean.
The first series (2-1) was on July 21st 2012, the second series (2-0) was played on July 22nd 2012.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Summer/Arena
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On January 12 2013 23:11 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 04:39 Grovbolle wrote:On January 12 2013 04:36 revel8 wrote:On January 12 2013 04:25 Grovbolle wrote:On January 12 2013 02:26 revel8 wrote:On January 12 2013 02:07 TheBB wrote:On January 12 2013 01:03 revel8 wrote:
I am curious as to why some tournaments matches are included but some are ignored. I noticed that Stephano's win in MSI Pro Cup 13 has been ignored. Also you include some qualifiers like the IEM Katowice qualifiers but ignore others such as the MLG Spring Arena qualifiers or the NASL 3 qualifiers. Why is that? What criteria did you use to inclue MSI Pro Cup #4 but not MSI Pro Cup #13? Just an oversight? It's actually a pretty monumental task, populating a database with "all" pro SC2 games ever played. We're only a handful of people doing this on a voluntary basis. If you notice something missing, as Grovbolle and Conti said, and just post a link to the results here in this thread. If you want I can get you a submitter account so you can push stuff yourself, too. I think it's pretty quick and painless. Pretty sure that we have the most complete database available anywhere at the time being, but as you have pointed out yourself, it's hardly perfect yet. Edit: Thanks a lot!! I don't want to be critical of your efforts, because it is alot of work and having looked through Stephano's match records it does seem pretty comprehensive (bar those 2012 results I noted above). I don't want to give the impression that I am whining or attempting to discredit your work. The opposite is true, I am impressed and pleased that such a sterling effort has been undertaken. I was just curious about some results that I had noticed were absent. It is perfectly understandable that some results were simply overlooked. 2012 had a ton of tournaments pretty much constantly and the games did not really ever stop. It is my limited understanding of your ranking system that means players get points based on the current rank of players they beat, so missing games can potentially significantly change the accuracy for numerous players. So adding in those results I have spotted were missing should lead to more complete and accurate rankings. Thanks for your efforts for the scene. I do appreciate it. Finished adding the IPTL Season 1 Divisions. Both the Premier and the contender division. Should be updated with the next list I think Thanks for the swift update! Appreciate it! The maps aren't "counted" yet though, so you won't see its effect before TheBB updates the entire thing. No problem, it is pretty easy to add as long as there are complete records, courtesy of liquipedia <3 Just spotted a few more mistakes. Firstly, the MLG Spring Arena 2 Euro qualifiers games have been added but the Socke-Stephano result is given 5-3 to the German when it was actually 5-3 in Stephano's favour (as an aggregation of 2 series). Relevent games were on May 10th 2012 http://aligulac.com/players/10/results/http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Spring/Qualifier/Invite/Europe---------------------------------- Secondly, the MLG Summer Arena results for Stephano against Oz are listed as 2-1 and 4-1 to Oz. The scores were actually 2-1 and 2-0 to Oz for an aggregated total of 4-1 to the Korean. The first series (2-1) was on July 21st 2012, the second series (2-0) was played on July 22nd 2012. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Summer/Arena
Holy shit, good catch. Will edit. Sorry about that.
Edit: The Socke-Stephano match was my fault, did them last night. Doing 200+ results in a row gives a slip-up once in a while.
The other 1 I am trying to find in the database, takes some time though
Edit2: Just changed the other 1 as well. Problem is that those events have been automatically pulled, and aligulac doesn't understand/recognize how the extended series system works, so it will assign 2 matches. One being 2-1 and one being 4-1
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On January 12 2013 23:11 revel8 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 12 2013 04:39 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 04:36 revel8 wrote:On January 12 2013 04:25 Grovbolle wrote:On January 12 2013 02:26 revel8 wrote:On January 12 2013 02:07 TheBB wrote:On January 12 2013 01:03 revel8 wrote:
I am curious as to why some tournaments matches are included but some are ignored. I noticed that Stephano's win in MSI Pro Cup 13 has been ignored. Also you include some qualifiers like the IEM Katowice qualifiers but ignore others such as the MLG Spring Arena qualifiers or the NASL 3 qualifiers. Why is that? What criteria did you use to inclue MSI Pro Cup #4 but not MSI Pro Cup #13? Just an oversight? It's actually a pretty monumental task, populating a database with "all" pro SC2 games ever played. We're only a handful of people doing this on a voluntary basis. If you notice something missing, as Grovbolle and Conti said, and just post a link to the results here in this thread. If you want I can get you a submitter account so you can push stuff yourself, too. I think it's pretty quick and painless. Pretty sure that we have the most complete database available anywhere at the time being, but as you have pointed out yourself, it's hardly perfect yet. Edit: Thanks a lot!! I don't want to be critical of your efforts, because it is alot of work and having looked through Stephano's match records it does seem pretty comprehensive (bar those 2012 results I noted above). I don't want to give the impression that I am whining or attempting to discredit your work. The opposite is true, I am impressed and pleased that such a sterling effort has been undertaken. I was just curious about some results that I had noticed were absent. It is perfectly understandable that some results were simply overlooked. 2012 had a ton of tournaments pretty much constantly and the games did not really ever stop. It is my limited understanding of your ranking system that means players get points based on the current rank of players they beat, so missing games can potentially significantly change the accuracy for numerous players. So adding in those results I have spotted were missing should lead to more complete and accurate rankings. Thanks for your efforts for the scene. I do appreciate it. Finished adding the IPTL Season 1 Divisions. Both the Premier and the contender division. Should be updated with the next list I think Thanks for the swift update! Appreciate it! The maps aren't "counted" yet though, so you won't see its effect before TheBB updates the entire thing. No problem, it is pretty easy to add as long as there are complete records, courtesy of liquipedia <3 Just spotted a few more mistakes. Firstly, the MLG Spring Arena 2 Euro qualifiers games have been added but the Socke-Stephano result is given 5-3 to the German when it was actually 5-3 in Stephano's favour (as an aggregation of 2 series). Relevent games were on May 10th 2012 http://aligulac.com/players/10/results/http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Spring/Qualifier/Invite/Europe---------------------------------- Secondly, the MLG Summer Arena results for Stephano against Oz are listed as 2-1 and 4-1 to Oz. The scores were actually 2-1 and 2-0 to Oz for an aggregated total of 4-1 to the Korean. The first series (2-1) was on July 21st 2012, the second series (2-0) was played on July 22nd 2012. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Summer/Arena
You are pretty useful. Have you memorized any results that aren't Stephano's? 
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On January 12 2013 23:37 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 23:11 revel8 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 12 2013 04:39 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 04:36 revel8 wrote:On January 12 2013 04:25 Grovbolle wrote:On January 12 2013 02:26 revel8 wrote:On January 12 2013 02:07 TheBB wrote:On January 12 2013 01:03 revel8 wrote:
I am curious as to why some tournaments matches are included but some are ignored. I noticed that Stephano's win in MSI Pro Cup 13 has been ignored. Also you include some qualifiers like the IEM Katowice qualifiers but ignore others such as the MLG Spring Arena qualifiers or the NASL 3 qualifiers. Why is that? What criteria did you use to inclue MSI Pro Cup #4 but not MSI Pro Cup #13? Just an oversight? It's actually a pretty monumental task, populating a database with "all" pro SC2 games ever played. We're only a handful of people doing this on a voluntary basis. If you notice something missing, as Grovbolle and Conti said, and just post a link to the results here in this thread. If you want I can get you a submitter account so you can push stuff yourself, too. I think it's pretty quick and painless. Pretty sure that we have the most complete database available anywhere at the time being, but as you have pointed out yourself, it's hardly perfect yet. Edit: Thanks a lot!! I don't want to be critical of your efforts, because it is alot of work and having looked through Stephano's match records it does seem pretty comprehensive (bar those 2012 results I noted above). I don't want to give the impression that I am whining or attempting to discredit your work. The opposite is true, I am impressed and pleased that such a sterling effort has been undertaken. I was just curious about some results that I had noticed were absent. It is perfectly understandable that some results were simply overlooked. 2012 had a ton of tournaments pretty much constantly and the games did not really ever stop. It is my limited understanding of your ranking system that means players get points based on the current rank of players they beat, so missing games can potentially significantly change the accuracy for numerous players. So adding in those results I have spotted were missing should lead to more complete and accurate rankings. Thanks for your efforts for the scene. I do appreciate it. Finished adding the IPTL Season 1 Divisions. Both the Premier and the contender division. Should be updated with the next list I think Thanks for the swift update! Appreciate it! The maps aren't "counted" yet though, so you won't see its effect before TheBB updates the entire thing. No problem, it is pretty easy to add as long as there are complete records, courtesy of liquipedia <3 Just spotted a few more mistakes. Firstly, the MLG Spring Arena 2 Euro qualifiers games have been added but the Socke-Stephano result is given 5-3 to the German when it was actually 5-3 in Stephano's favour (as an aggregation of 2 series). Relevent games were on May 10th 2012 http://aligulac.com/players/10/results/http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Spring/Qualifier/Invite/Europe---------------------------------- Secondly, the MLG Summer Arena results for Stephano against Oz are listed as 2-1 and 4-1 to Oz. The scores were actually 2-1 and 2-0 to Oz for an aggregated total of 4-1 to the Korean. The first series (2-1) was on July 21st 2012, the second series (2-0) was played on July 22nd 2012. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Summer/Arena You are pretty useful. Have you memorized any results that aren't Stephano's?
I have not really looked at anyone else's to such detail. Haha!
Stephano's results (win or lose) tend to generate lots of discussion/arguing, so I did keep a log of his results over the summer to track his progress and help me present factual based points!
Keep up the good work. I am very impressed.
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Just noticed there's a mistake with Iron Squid ro16 results, DRG vs Creator should be 3-1, you have 3-2.
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On January 13 2013 14:23 sitromit wrote:
Just noticed there's a mistake with Iron Squid ro16 results, DRG vs Creator should be 3-1, you have 3-2.
Thanks! Fixed.
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Great stats i guess every top zerg need great zvz training other matches no need zerg win it by self :D See ironsquid ......
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Gogo Zerg =) Overrun them all!
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