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dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
December 01 2012 22:31 GMT
#21
Terran was probably the easiest to learn for Starcraft players in the early stages of SC2. It's the race that is most mechanically similar to its Broodwar counterpart and also the only campaign, and as a result, was the most figured out race for a very long time. All these things add up to Terran being the most played race early on and therefore, the most represented in tournaments. Zerg and Protoss have essentially been catching up mechanically and in terms of understanding to the benchmark that was established by Terrans.
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Martyrc
Profile Joined May 2012
217 Posts
December 01 2012 22:33 GMT
#22
On December 02 2012 07:28 xPabt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:26 QuanticState wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:18 xPabt wrote:
And yet only Mvp has been able to make it to the finals.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_StarCraft_II_League

you're horribly, horribly wrong

This year I meant.


Then say so, you idiot.... I'm a Terran myself, and imbeciles like you make me ashamed of being one.

User was temp banned for this post.
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Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
December 01 2012 22:35 GMT
#23
I love how people try to bring up 1-2 year old statistics in order to argue a point about a constantly evolving game.

"Hey guys? Did you hear? The maps are too small, these statistics from GSL season 1 prove it"
arcane1129
Profile Joined January 2011
United States273 Posts
December 01 2012 22:35 GMT
#24
On December 02 2012 07:12 peia wrote:
if you look at EU ladder 10 % terran, 30 % toss 60 % zerg, and also at IPL the race distribution is a big big joke


EU ladder: http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/eu/1/all

KR: (zerg is lowest % in gm and masters actually) http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/fea/1/all

Global: http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all

Who are you trying to fool?
hootsushi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany3468 Posts
December 01 2012 22:36 GMT
#25
On December 02 2012 07:33 Martyrc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:28 xPabt wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:26 QuanticState wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:18 xPabt wrote:
And yet only Mvp has been able to make it to the finals.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_StarCraft_II_League

you're horribly, horribly wrong

This year I meant.


Then say so, you idiot.... I'm a Terran myself, and imbeciles like you make me ashamed of being one.



Dude, why so rude? He didn't offend anyone. I read his reply and already assumed he meant this year.
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
December 01 2012 22:37 GMT
#26
On December 02 2012 07:15 EU.Pink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:12 peia wrote:
this is because earlier, terran WAS the strongest race, ´but until mid 2012 terran has got the weakest (imao)
and because earlier there were so many terrans because it was the strongest race, there still is this big MASS of korean terrans, who are still pretty good at the game, they belong into code S, and if you look at EU ladder 10 % terran, 30 % toss 60 % zerg, and also at IPL the race distribution is a big big joke


nice facts about EU ladder bro, can i see source?



Actually EU grandmaster has a staggering 20% terran - 54 players! - while zerg only has 101 players.
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NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 22:38:42
December 01 2012 22:37 GMT
#27
On December 02 2012 07:18 xPabt wrote:
And yet only Mvp has been able to make it to the finals in 2012.
fixed it for you before someone calls out results from a year or two ago



edit: looks like I was too late
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dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
December 01 2012 22:38 GMT
#28
On December 02 2012 07:36 hootsushi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:33 Martyrc wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:28 xPabt wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:26 QuanticState wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:18 xPabt wrote:
And yet only Mvp has been able to make it to the finals.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_StarCraft_II_League

you're horribly, horribly wrong

This year I meant.


Then say so, you idiot.... I'm a Terran myself, and imbeciles like you make me ashamed of being one.



Dude, why so rude? He didn't offend anyone. I read his reply and already assumed he meant this year.


I didn't assume he meant this year, but I did assume that he missed a BUNCH of seasons.
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FeyverN
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States104 Posts
December 01 2012 22:40 GMT
#29
On December 02 2012 07:12 peia wrote:
this is because earlier, terran WAS the strongest race, ´but until mid 2012 terran has got the weakest (imao)
and because earlier there were so many terrans because it was the strongest race, there still is this big MASS of korean terrans, who are still pretty good at the game, they belong into code S, and if you look at EU ladder 10 % terran, 30 % toss 60 % zerg, and also at IPL the race distribution is a big big joke

10% Terran?

I've never heard about this. From what I've seen on the EU ladder (1000 point masters), there is a pretty even distribution of the races.
http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all
As you can see, it seems pretty even overall. There is a slight bias towards Zerg in Grandmasters, but who's to say thats due to imbalance?
As someone who played on NA and now plays on EU regularly, I can say that the NA ladder is really Zerg biased, but the EU ladder is surprisingly balanced in terms of race distribution. Maybe you have bad luck, I don't know.
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Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
December 01 2012 22:44 GMT
#30
I feel like people are missing the point. The point is that throughout all the balance changes, metagame shifts, map changes, player changes, etc Terran has maintained it's status as the most players in the highest competitive league.

As people have stated this is most likely due to more terran players. And that's my point. The game is NOT imbalanced. All the shifts have served to change the way the game is played. But it's not like all of a sudden the game is crazy imbalanced towards zerg. Even with the patch the overall race representation hasn't changed that much. Players adapt. This is just a reminder of how slowly player representation changes, even when massive changes (e.g. patch 1.4.3) occur. Just give the game time, enjoy what you watch, and wait for HotS if you are unhappy since there just isn't enough time to change the game by then (unless you just want to imbalance it completely, that's easy).
chaokel
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia535 Posts
December 01 2012 22:45 GMT
#31
On December 02 2012 07:40 FeyverN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:12 peia wrote:
this is because earlier, terran WAS the strongest race, ´but until mid 2012 terran has got the weakest (imao)
and because earlier there were so many terrans because it was the strongest race, there still is this big MASS of korean terrans, who are still pretty good at the game, they belong into code S, and if you look at EU ladder 10 % terran, 30 % toss 60 % zerg, and also at IPL the race distribution is a big big joke

10% Terran?

I've never heard about this. From what I've seen on the EU ladder (1000 point masters), there is a pretty even distribution of the races.
http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all
As you can see, it seems pretty even overall. There is a slight bias towards Zerg in Grandmasters, but who's to say thats due to imbalance?
As someone who played on NA and now plays on EU regularly, I can say that the NA ladder is really Zerg biased, but the EU ladder is surprisingly balanced in terms of race distribution. Maybe you have bad luck, I don't know.


Much more likely he just made up the figures, or heard it at one point from some guy who was trying to backup his balance complaints with false facts.
Dvriel
Profile Joined November 2011
607 Posts
December 01 2012 22:49 GMT
#32
Its all about the game and learning it.In the early stages of SC2.The maps were so bad and so easy for T to all in and cheese.So many nerfs suffered...Everything has changed and suddenly all Zergs learnt finally to play their race and got the most of it: the macro.And of course the BL+infestor combo.

Zergs used to play only ling-bane-muta till they discover the all around unit: the infestor.Now we must deal with all this stuff,and Bomber just show it on the IPL its possible without any buffs to Ravens,but still pretty difficult.It requires great multitasking,macro and micro to try equal Zergs macro,and not everyone is able.
Siphyo
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands121 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 22:54:55
December 01 2012 22:52 GMT
#33
My graph from liquipedia to support the OPs statement:

[image loading]

Personally, I don't think any balance-related conclusions should be drawn from this.
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Cuce
Profile Joined March 2011
Turkey1127 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 22:54:33
December 01 2012 22:54 GMT
#34
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
December 01 2012 22:56 GMT
#35
It's funny how Zerg representation was highest was Zerg was regarded to be at its weakest in Open S2 and S3
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SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 22:58:29
December 01 2012 22:58 GMT
#36
On December 02 2012 07:45 chaokel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:40 FeyverN wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:12 peia wrote:
this is because earlier, terran WAS the strongest race, ´but until mid 2012 terran has got the weakest (imao)
and because earlier there were so many terrans because it was the strongest race, there still is this big MASS of korean terrans, who are still pretty good at the game, they belong into code S, and if you look at EU ladder 10 % terran, 30 % toss 60 % zerg, and also at IPL the race distribution is a big big joke

10% Terran?

I've never heard about this. From what I've seen on the EU ladder (1000 point masters), there is a pretty even distribution of the races.
http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all
As you can see, it seems pretty even overall. There is a slight bias towards Zerg in Grandmasters, but who's to say thats due to imbalance?
As someone who played on NA and now plays on EU regularly, I can say that the NA ladder is really Zerg biased, but the EU ladder is surprisingly balanced in terms of race distribution. Maybe you have bad luck, I don't know.


Much more likely he just made up the figures, or heard it at one point from some guy who was trying to backup his balance complaints with false facts.


Terran was always the least represented race in all leagues above Gold (excluding KR ladder)
Actual distributions were something like 40-30-20 with the rest 10% left for randoms and deviations from the norm.

In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
-Switch-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada506 Posts
December 01 2012 23:01 GMT
#37
On December 02 2012 07:15 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:13 Qikz wrote:
People expect Blizzard to do any major balance changes right now, but I'm pretty sure nothing will happen until HoTS.

Hopefully the beta will get better soon and tournaments will start switching to mix things up a bit.


Tournaments won't switch until release I am pretty sure. I do wish at least some tournaments would happen for hots as it might encourage more pros to play hots at least online cups anyway would be nice >>.


how about no blade!
Zrana
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom698 Posts
December 01 2012 23:05 GMT
#38
On December 02 2012 07:37 neptunusfisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:15 EU.Pink wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:12 peia wrote:
this is because earlier, terran WAS the strongest race, ´but until mid 2012 terran has got the weakest (imao)
and because earlier there were so many terrans because it was the strongest race, there still is this big MASS of korean terrans, who are still pretty good at the game, they belong into code S, and if you look at EU ladder 10 % terran, 30 % toss 60 % zerg, and also at IPL the race distribution is a big big joke


nice facts about EU ladder bro, can i see source?



Actually EU grandmaster has a staggering 20% terran - 54 players! - while zerg only has 101 players.



omg all the "EU ladder has loads of Z, proves Z is OP" posts lately all over like any sc2 forum just make me despair.

1. EU has always had more z, similar to korea having more t.
2. 200 players is a ridiculously small sample size if you want any meaningful statistics. You could just as eaily say, "Zerg is only doing so well because there aren't enough terrans around to challenge them"
3. It's not as if EU GM is exactly the pinnacle of starcraft play.
4. Just because lots of high level players are playing a race doesn't necessarly means it's because the race is OP. If you follow the history of the metagame and patches back there usually aren't all that many people who switch race depending on patch notes or whatever. Imo there's so many zergs around because the HotS changes for zerg look awesome and the changes for P and T look uninspiring to say the least.

Also, i'm aware it's against the TL rules to make a post that complain about fungal so to clarify i'm not saying that zerg is or is not OP, just that quoting statistics with no understanding of the data behind them is no way to prove a point. Also omg fungal so op.

Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
December 01 2012 23:05 GMT
#39
On December 02 2012 07:52 Siphyo wrote:
My graph from liquipedia to support the OPs statement:

[image loading]

Personally, I don't think any balance-related conclusions should be drawn from this.


Thanks for the graph. The only balance related conclusion I'm trying to make is that there isn't a massive imbalance in the game. Seems like every time we get a mirror final there is just so much balance whine, or with all the patchzerg talk.

Trying to point out that it's never the race, it's often just one person going on a hot streak. The actual race distribution just hasn't shifted since the game started basically, despite how differently the matchups play out. This goes to show how slow balance changes as well as how minor the differences are.

I would like to think that we should concentrate on changing the game not to change balance, as in which race wins more. We should be changing the game to make matchups more exciting while not favoring a particular race.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
December 01 2012 23:05 GMT
#40
On December 02 2012 07:52 Siphyo wrote:
My graph from liquipedia to support the OPs statement:

[image loading]

Personally, I don't think any balance-related conclusions should be drawn from this.


So because they can't get to a final for once their race is awfully underpowered?
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