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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2017 03:26 GMT
#190041
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 13 2017 03:27 GMT
#190042
Yeah, sounds about right at this point. Now will he recount-proof his majority?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 13 2017 03:28 GMT
#190043
Live by a pedophile, die by a pedophile.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2017 03:28 GMT
#190044
And said court ruling earlier today to destroy a few ballots.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
mozoku
Profile Joined September 2012
United States708 Posts
December 13 2017 03:29 GMT
#190045
On December 13 2017 12:08 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 12:06 mozoku wrote:
I'm in agreement with Plansix on the value of this Upshot model. It's literally worthless besides for entertainment purposes and has a useful life of two hours.

On December 13 2017 11:42 jalstar wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:41 Plansix wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:39 jalstar wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:38 Plansix wrote:
Our model predicts the outcome of an election with closed ballets. This is a waste of Human Resources and time, since more accurately results can be obtained by waiting for the real count to come in.


Well obviously it's 50-50, either Moore wins or Jones does!

Someone already won! Predictions no longer matter!!!!


It's a level of confidence, not a probability. Pretty basic statistics, there's no need to be obtuse here.

This depends on your statistical assumptions and, empirically speaking, you're more likely than not wrong here seeing as most electoral forecasters aren't using frequentist methods. Or probably shouldn't be anyway.

I would have ignored this if it wasn't for the snarky "basic statistics" comment.


Most people are taught the difference between confidence and probability in stats 101 when being taught how to interpret confidence intervals.

edit: and empirically it's not a probability because as Plansix said, it already happened.

I don't understand what statistics has to do with what Plansix said. He was making a point about the utility of the model.

As for the bold, you've got a bit to learn in this area. Quit while you're ahead.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
December 13 2017 03:29 GMT
#190046
The big question: is McConnell breathing a sigh of relief right now or not?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 03:30:53
December 13 2017 03:30 GMT
#190047
On December 13 2017 12:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:
The big question: is McConnell breathing a sigh of relief right now or not?

He would rather fight a democrat than expell a republican. Also, Jeff Flake was right.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
December 13 2017 03:30 GMT
#190048
My ass remains deeply puckered until there is no recount and it's totally official.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2017 03:30 GMT
#190049
CNN now calling it.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4862 Posts
December 13 2017 03:31 GMT
#190050
I heard Moore was a stereotype, perhaps not.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 13 2017 03:32 GMT
#190051
On December 13 2017 12:30 Mohdoo wrote:
My ass remains deeply puckered until there is no recount and it's totally official.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Jones will probably add about 0.5-1 pct point to his lead right now. The remaining votes are still strongly blue.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 13 2017 03:33 GMT
#190052
Now maybe Democrats will focus on turning out and appealing f to black voters, rather than the mythical white Republican they can turn.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7384 Posts
December 13 2017 03:33 GMT
#190053
Am I safe yet to say that I'm proud of Alabama for overcoming it's impulses to elect Roy Moore?
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 13 2017 03:33 GMT
#190054
On December 13 2017 12:29 mozoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 12:08 jalstar wrote:
On December 13 2017 12:06 mozoku wrote:
I'm in agreement with Plansix on the value of this Upshot model. It's literally worthless besides for entertainment purposes and has a useful life of two hours.

On December 13 2017 11:42 jalstar wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:41 Plansix wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:39 jalstar wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:38 Plansix wrote:
Our model predicts the outcome of an election with closed ballets. This is a waste of Human Resources and time, since more accurately results can be obtained by waiting for the real count to come in.


Well obviously it's 50-50, either Moore wins or Jones does!

Someone already won! Predictions no longer matter!!!!


It's a level of confidence, not a probability. Pretty basic statistics, there's no need to be obtuse here.

This depends on your statistical assumptions and, empirically speaking, you're more likely than not wrong here seeing as most electoral forecasters aren't using frequentist methods. Or probably shouldn't be anyway.

I would have ignored this if it wasn't for the snarky "basic statistics" comment.


Most people are taught the difference between confidence and probability in stats 101 when being taught how to interpret confidence intervals.

edit: and empirically it's not a probability because as Plansix said, it already happened.

I don't understand what statistics has to do with what Plansix said. He was making a point about the utility of the model.

As for the bold, you've got a bit to learn in this area. Quit while you're ahead.


I don't have time to read all of that but typically the word probability is used in terms of predictions and confidence is used for accuracy of measurements of things that already happened, which is what we're dealing with here.

And even if you find a counter-example, I did say typically, and a "win" for you would just be semantics.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 13 2017 03:33 GMT
#190055
Make Alabama Great Again
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 03:34:33
December 13 2017 03:33 GMT
#190056
Prepare for the illegal vote Trump tweet train to leave the station, with a potential smattering of "full birth abortion." He is going to be real mad.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24740 Posts
December 13 2017 03:35 GMT
#190057
On December 13 2017 12:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Prepare for the illegal vote Trump tweet train to leave the station, with a potential smattering of "full birth abortion." He is going to be real mad.

Alternately, he might pretend he never endorsed Moore and say this was why he supported Strange. I think that's less likely but he has no shame and anything is possible.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2017 03:35 GMT
#190058
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 13 2017 03:36 GMT
#190059
What lead does he need to be recount proof?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
December 13 2017 03:36 GMT
#190060
On December 13 2017 12:36 Plansix wrote:
What lead does he need to be recount proof?


0.5%. Which he is on track to beat, I think, barring some really weird late Moore leaning counties.
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