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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12610 Posts
December 13 2017 02:43 GMT
#190001
On December 13 2017 11:41 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 11:39 jalstar wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:38 Plansix wrote:
Our model predicts the outcome of an election with closed ballets. This is a waste of Human Resources and time, since more accurately results can be obtained by waiting for the real count to come in.


Well obviously it's 50-50, either Moore wins or Jones does!

Someone already won! Predictions no longer matter!!!!


You have a bone with these I see. Keep repeating that as if we didn't know =)
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 02:46:51
December 13 2017 02:45 GMT
#190002
Can you tell us who won, since it's already over? If not, is it equally likely that either candidate won? If not, what do you do to estimate who is more likely to have won?
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 13 2017 02:47 GMT
#190003
This is damn close. You get Jones outperforming percentage forecasts, followed by Moore low turnout, followed by Moore outperforming ...
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 13 2017 02:48 GMT
#190004
On December 13 2017 11:43 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 11:41 Plansix wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:39 jalstar wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:38 Plansix wrote:
Our model predicts the outcome of an election with closed ballets. This is a waste of Human Resources and time, since more accurately results can be obtained by waiting for the real count to come in.


Well obviously it's 50-50, either Moore wins or Jones does!

Someone already won! Predictions no longer matter!!!!


You have a bone with these I see. Keep repeating that as if we didn't know =)

I find it amusing that people are out there defending a complex model that predict something we will know in a couple of hours. It's like solving the three body problem, but using it to predict the location of the moon in 2 hours.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 13 2017 02:49 GMT
#190005
All Jones needs is big returns in four counties. They're going democrat, but will it go democrat enough to eat away Moore's current lead?
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5065 Posts
December 13 2017 02:51 GMT
#190006
The amoral side of me wants to see Moore win so we can find out if Franken will actually retire.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46629 Posts
December 13 2017 02:53 GMT
#190007
On December 13 2017 11:47 Danglars wrote:
This is damn close. You get Jones outperforming percentage forecasts, followed by Moore low turnout, followed by Moore outperforming ...


Agreed. I'm seeing variable reports, but some are saying that Moore currently has a slight lead but most of the remaining votes are in urban areas, leading some reporters to predict Jones possibly overtaking Moore there. Personally, I have no idea because it's so close, so I'm just going to sit back and not go crazy over it.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 13 2017 02:55 GMT
#190008


Apparently people gave a shit about this election.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46629 Posts
December 13 2017 02:55 GMT
#190009
On December 13 2017 11:51 Introvert wrote:
The amoral side of me wants to see Moore win so we can find out if Franken will actually retire.


Do you think that Franken is leaving only because he wants to persuade Moore and Trump and other Republicans who are sexual assaulters to leave too?

Personally, I think Franken is clear-thinking enough to know that him leaving won't move the needle at all for the Republican assailants.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 13 2017 02:57 GMT
#190010
Jones votes starting to come in in force, margins are tighter. Still looks like a toss up.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 02:59:54
December 13 2017 02:58 GMT
#190011
On December 13 2017 11:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 11:51 Introvert wrote:
The amoral side of me wants to see Moore win so we can find out if Franken will actually retire.


Do you think that Franken is leaving only because he wants to persuade Moore and Trump and other Republicans who are sexual assaulters to leave too?

Personally, I think Franken is clear-thinking enough to know that him leaving won't move the needle at all for the Republican assailants.

It could be all those women voters and the women in the senate. The GOP in congress is almost all white men. Not a lot of peers there are going call out Trump or Moore. And not a lot of voters to loose.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5065 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 03:00:02
December 13 2017 02:59 GMT
#190012
On December 13 2017 11:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 11:51 Introvert wrote:
The amoral side of me wants to see Moore win so we can find out if Franken will actually retire.


Do you think that Franken is leaving only because he wants to persuade Moore and Trump and other Republicans who are sexual assaulters to leave too?

Personally, I think Franken is clear-thinking enough to know that him leaving won't move the needle at all for the Republican assailants.


His party needs it. Did you hear is quasi-resignation speech? Dude's pissed and thinks he's innocent. I think if Moore wins Franken is going to consider sticking around and to "let the voters decide my fate." Alligations clearly matter, look at AL, where the Republican almost always wins with >60% of the vote.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
mozoku
Profile Joined September 2012
United States708 Posts
December 13 2017 03:06 GMT
#190013
I'm in agreement with Plansix on the value of this Upshot model. It's literally worthless besides for entertainment purposes and has a useful life of two hours.

On December 13 2017 11:42 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 11:41 Plansix wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:39 jalstar wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:38 Plansix wrote:
Our model predicts the outcome of an election with closed ballets. This is a waste of Human Resources and time, since more accurately results can be obtained by waiting for the real count to come in.


Well obviously it's 50-50, either Moore wins or Jones does!

Someone already won! Predictions no longer matter!!!!


It's a level of confidence, not a probability. Pretty basic statistics, there's no need to be obtuse here.

This depends on your statistical assumptions and, empirically speaking, you're more likely than not wrong here seeing as most electoral forecasters aren't using frequentist methods. Or probably shouldn't be anyway.

I would have ignored this if it wasn't for the snarky "basic statistics" comment.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2017 03:07 GMT
#190014
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 13 2017 03:08 GMT
#190015
On December 13 2017 12:06 mozoku wrote:...
I'm in agreement with Plansix on the value of this Upshot model. It's literally worthless besides for entertainment purposes...

I could say the same about video games.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 03:09:55
December 13 2017 03:08 GMT
#190016
On December 13 2017 12:06 mozoku wrote:
I'm in agreement with Plansix on the value of this Upshot model. It's literally worthless besides for entertainment purposes and has a useful life of two hours.

Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 11:42 jalstar wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:41 Plansix wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:39 jalstar wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:38 Plansix wrote:
Our model predicts the outcome of an election with closed ballets. This is a waste of Human Resources and time, since more accurately results can be obtained by waiting for the real count to come in.


Well obviously it's 50-50, either Moore wins or Jones does!

Someone already won! Predictions no longer matter!!!!


It's a level of confidence, not a probability. Pretty basic statistics, there's no need to be obtuse here.

This depends on your statistical assumptions and, empirically speaking, you're more likely than not wrong here seeing as most electoral forecasters aren't using frequentist methods. Or probably shouldn't be anyway.

I would have ignored this if it wasn't for the snarky "basic statistics" comment.


Most people are taught the difference between confidence and probability in stats 101 when being taught how to interpret confidence intervals.

edit: and empirically it's not a probability because as Plansix said, it already happened.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 13 2017 03:10 GMT
#190017
I think Jones has got it. Moore's up too little for the percent reporting in the Dem counties.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 13 2017 03:10 GMT
#190018
It's starting to look Jones-favored at this point. Margins are tiny and most of the remaining votes lean strongly blue.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12610 Posts
December 13 2017 03:10 GMT
#190019
There are about 30 "red" counties left. There are <100 left in Montgomery and Birmingham alone. Moore's lead is 4k votes. If he can do decent in what's left of Mobile and Huntsville he should be fine
No will to live, no wish to die
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
December 13 2017 03:11 GMT
#190020
I think Jones might actually win. Moore is going to turn into a screeching monster if he loses-it'll be a glimpse into the alternate reality of a narrow Trump loss in 2016, I think.
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