EPTOn December 13 2017 08:59 jalstar wrote:
Are you calling poor people stupid?
Are you calling poor people stupid?
actually money is the Y axis on your graph. So the correct statement would be, are stupid people poor?
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dankobanana
Croatia238 Posts
actually money is the Y axis on your graph. So the correct statement would be, are stupid people poor? | ||
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Introvert
United States4885 Posts
On December 13 2017 09:32 Plansix wrote: Oh the sick burn. Except you're full of shit. DPB is a teacer in the public school system. So not only is he educated, his politically knowledge is based on his profession. And to no ones surprise, conservative political views hold little appeal who gets to see the impacts of those policies first hand. Not sure where the burn is, I'm not the one who didn't read carefully enough. I know that's what he does, he likes to mention things he's going to use as an example for his students all the time. I'm saying his political education is clearly lacking. As far as I'm aware, his profession is math. Didn't know that provided you with a political education, but maybe it's something more relevant and I'm thinking of someone else. Which would be worse. And I didn't say jack all about political appeal, either. You don't have to like something before you at least attempt to understand it. | ||
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dankobanana
Croatia238 Posts
On December 13 2017 09:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: The agreement I was presuming was that most of TL is more liberal than conservative and, as such, would not want Roy Moore to be elected (and, I'd imagine, that even some conservative TLers wouldn't be able to overlook Moore's horrible reputation and wouldn't want him elected anyway, decent human beings wouldn't want him elected. left or right On December 13 2017 09:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:as he would only make the reputation of the Republican party worse). actually, Roy Moore doesn't paint a picture of the R party, they did that themselves when they did not distance themselves from him. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 13 2017 09:37 Introvert wrote: Not sure where the burn is, I'm not the one who didn't read carefully enough. I know that's what he does, he likes to mention things he's going to use as an example for his students all the time. I'm saying his political education is clearly lacking. As far as I'm aware, his profession is math. Didn't know that provided you with a political education, but maybe it's something more relevant. Which would be worse. And I didn't say jack all about political appeal, either. You don't have to like before you at least attempt to understand it. Being a civil servant makes politics way less abstract. And all schools provide a political education. Civics is a class. It is the job of all schools to equip students to participate in our democratic system. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On December 13 2017 08:59 jalstar wrote: Do you not understand how to read a graph, or what a ranking is?Why just southern states? Where are the red states in the Great Plains and Midwest? What other factors could be at work here? ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/rpaAuAx.png) Are you calling poor people stupid? | ||
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Plansix
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This account is only funny for today. But this is good twitter. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45221 Posts
On December 13 2017 09:11 Introvert wrote: It's funny because DPB's posting in this thread over time doesn't reflect the oh so thoughtful and highly educated political intellect we are supposed to assume all blue-staters have. He's a stereotype lover whose level of political discourse makes you think most of his political knowledge comes from watching old episodes of The Daily Show, if that. Not to stereotype him myself but he fits so perfectly into one I laugh every time. Wouldn't it be more useful to address the data I cited instead of just dismissing it with the reason being that I'm a "stereotype lover"? I mean, if by stereotypes you mean statistics, then sure, but there is plenty of data comparing these related variables of education, poverty, political leaning, and religiosity that several people (not just me) have been talking about. | ||
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mozoku
United States708 Posts
On December 13 2017 09:35 GreenHorizons wrote: An interesting angle on this is that Republicans often look at places like Chicago and ask why Democrats haven't solved it's problems (not entirely unjustified), so I wonder, why has Republican control in the south left them so poor and ignorant? Or why is it fair to blame Chicago on Democrats but not blame the many problems in the south on Republicans? I don't anyone with a worthy opinion on this subject is attributing the backwardness of the South to GOP control, so this kind of totally misses the point. Nor is anyone worth listening to attributing the failure/success of Chicago or NYC to Democratic control. Also, Chicago is a really nice place if you avoid the inner-city South Side and West Side. I live in one of the hip high CoL places now and I'd move back to Chicago in a heartbeat, even at equal cost. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45221 Posts
I think it's one of many problems, especially when you see state leaders not being able to compartmentalize their personal religious beliefs against how the government is supposed to remain secularist. These situations appear very frequently in the Bible Belt. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23580 Posts
On December 13 2017 09:49 mozoku wrote: I don't anyone with a worthy opinion on this subject is attributing the backwardness of the South to GOP control, so this kind of totally misses the point. Nor is anyone worth listening to attributing the success of Chicago or NYC to Democratic control. Also, Chicago is a really nice place if you avoid the inner-city South Side and West Side. I live in one of the hip high CoL places now and I'd move back to Chicago in a heartbeat, even at equal cost. Meh. Regardless of your opinion on the relevance, I'm still curious. | ||
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Plansix
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On December 13 2017 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think it's one of many problems, especially when you see state leaders not being able to compartmentalize their personal religious beliefs against how the government is supposed to remain secularist. These situations appear very frequently in the Bible Belt. I know a lot of high paid professionals that refuse to move to the south because A: shit education with religions overtones, B: that religious culture that allows senate candidates to say all Jews and gays are going to hell. Pretty sure that hurts the economics of the state. No company is making their headquarters in Alabama. How do they get their talent to move and stay? | ||
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Introvert
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On December 13 2017 09:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Wouldn't it be more useful to address the data I cited instead of just dismissing it with the reason being that I'm a "stereotype lover"? I mean, if by stereotypes you mean statistics, then sure, but there is plenty of data comparing these related variables of education, poverty, political leaning, and religiosity that several people (not just me) have been talking about. No, it wouldn't, becuase your intent seemed more to take an opportunity to crap on southern states that vote differently than to actually say anything of value. As a native Californian I have no particular love or hate for the South, but good heavens. In an effort to try and jinx the election in our favor, I'd like to remind everyone that the red states are traditionally the dumbest states in the country I don't think anyone is contesting the stats. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 13 2017 10:01 Nevuk wrote: It's one of the reasons I was really comfortable with getting out of Kentucky. These was a time when states courted labor and economic activity. Now it's soak of federal aid, attack the economic centers of the country and cry when they have to respect people's rights. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45221 Posts
On December 13 2017 09:13 jalstar wrote: Yeah, "lay off the bible" when the majority of the US is Christian regardless of what region you're talking about. While I agree that the majority of Americans are Christian, there is a very broad spectrum of religiosity among Americans. Person A may consider himself a Christian because once a week he casually prays to Jesus but otherwise isn't influenced by Christianity, whereas Person B might be a flat earther, young earth creationist, Biblical literalist, etc. They both identify as Christians, but perhaps one of them is less likely to go on strike against public school science curriculum. And I think that the fundamentalist Christians are more likely to be conservative and more likely to be in the red states. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45221 Posts
On December 13 2017 09:58 Plansix wrote: I know a lot of high paid professionals that refuse to move to the south because A: shit education with religions overtones, B: that religious culture that allows senate candidates to say all Jews and gays are going to hell. Pretty sure that hurts the economics of the state. No company is making their headquarters in Alabama. How do they get their talent to move and stay? That's a good question. Alabama is a pretty poor state, and iirc it's conservative states who benefit more from government assistance ("handouts") than liberal states on average, so I guess there's that. | ||
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Plansix
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Moore carries white people. Black people vote for the guy who didn't say America was great when it had slavery. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On December 13 2017 10:41 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/940750869880016896 Moore carries white people. Black people vote for the guy who didn't say America was great when it had slavery. The story is that Moore won 74% of white women without college education and 54% of ww with one. Despite him thinking the country was better when they couldn't vote. | ||
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