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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44316 Posts
December 12 2017 23:39 GMT
#189941
In an effort to try and jinx the election in our favor, I'd like to remind everyone that the red states are traditionally the dumbest states in the country (Alabama, for example, is ranked 44th in terms of education): https://wallethub.com/edu/most-educated-states/31075/

Not shocked with these rankings. They need to lay off the Bible.
40 South Carolina
41 Oklahoma
42 Texas
43 Tennessee
44 Alabama
45 Nevada
46 Kentucky
47 Arkansas
48 Louisiana
49 Mississippi
50 West Virginia
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7297 Posts
December 12 2017 23:50 GMT
#189942
Highly anticipating AL polls closing and getting some outlook into how the state election is heading!
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
December 12 2017 23:51 GMT
#189943
On December 13 2017 08:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
In an effort to try and jinx the election in our favor, I'd like to remind everyone that the red states are traditionally the dumbest states in the country (Alabama, for example, is ranked 44th in terms of education): https://wallethub.com/edu/most-educated-states/31075/

Not shocked with these rankings. They need to lay off the Bible.
40 South Carolina
41 Oklahoma
42 Texas
43 Tennessee
44 Alabama
45 Nevada
46 Kentucky
47 Arkansas
48 Louisiana
49 Mississippi
50 West Virginia

The Bible isn't the problem
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
December 12 2017 23:55 GMT
#189944
The first high-profile win of the Democrats in the Trump era, or just one more steaming flop? Well this is about the best chance they have so far but I guess we'll see what comes of it .
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 00:03:19
December 12 2017 23:59 GMT
#189945
On December 13 2017 08:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
In an effort to try and jinx the election in our favor, I'd like to remind everyone that the red states are traditionally the dumbest states in the country (Alabama, for example, is ranked 44th in terms of education): https://wallethub.com/edu/most-educated-states/31075/

Not shocked with these rankings. They need to lay off the Bible.
40 South Carolina
41 Oklahoma
42 Texas
43 Tennessee
44 Alabama
45 Nevada
46 Kentucky
47 Arkansas
48 Louisiana
49 Mississippi
50 West Virginia


Why just southern states? Where are the red states in the Great Plains and Midwest? What other factors could be at work here?

[image loading]

Are you calling poor people stupid?
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13926 Posts
December 13 2017 00:07 GMT
#189946
No hes just saying religious people are stupid and thinks everyone in the room agrees with him.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 00:14:39
December 13 2017 00:11 GMT
#189947
On December 13 2017 09:07 Sermokala wrote:
No hes just saying religious people are stupid and thinks everyone in the room agrees with him.


It's funny because DPB's posting in this thread over time doesn't reflect the oh so thoughtful and highly educated political intellect we are supposed to assume all blue-staters have. He's a stereotype lover whose level of political discourse makes you think most of his political knowledge comes from watching old episodes of The Daily Show, if that.

Not to stereotype him myself but he fits so perfectly into one I laugh every time.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 13 2017 00:12 GMT
#189948
On December 13 2017 09:07 Sermokala wrote:
No hes just saying religious people are stupid and thinks everyone in the room agrees with him.

As a religious person, we have a shit track record. Christianity is the foundation to Americans most regressive political movements.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
December 13 2017 00:13 GMT
#189949
On December 13 2017 09:11 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 09:07 Sermokala wrote:
No hes just saying religious people are stupid and thinks everyone in the room agrees with him.


It's funny because DPB's posting in this thread over time doesn't reflect the oh so thoughtful and highly educated political intellect we are supposed to assume all these blue-staters have. He's a stereotype lover whose level of political discourse makes you think most of his political knowledge comes from watching old episodes of The Daily Show, if that.

the quality of discourse on daily show was actually surprisingly good.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 13 2017 00:13 GMT
#189950
On December 13 2017 09:07 Sermokala wrote:
No hes just saying religious people are stupid and thinks everyone in the room agrees with him.


Yeah, "lay off the bible" when the majority of the US is Christian regardless of what region you're talking about.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24677 Posts
December 13 2017 00:17 GMT
#189951
On December 13 2017 09:11 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 09:07 Sermokala wrote:
No hes just saying religious people are stupid and thinks everyone in the room agrees with him.


It's funny because DPB's posting in this thread over time doesn't reflect the oh so thoughtful and highly educated political intellect we are supposed to assume all these blue-staters have. He's a stereotype lover whose level of political discourse makes you think most of his political knowledge comes from watching old episodes of The Daily Show, if that.

Not to sterotype him myself but he fits so perfectly into one I laugh every time.

Hm here we go again with me having trouble understanding this presumably conservative humor, particularly when it is used to judge an individual in an attempt to make a left-leaning group look bad.

Note that you are connecting the fact that he is a stereotype lover with the fact that you see him as being neither thoughtful nor behaving as though he is highly educated, just as you stereotype him and laugh about it. The self-identification of the stereotyping seems to me to be, not so much a defense, but an action similar to when Donald Trump Jr surprised everyone by releasing self-incriminating documents, making the whole world go 'HUH?'
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
December 13 2017 00:21 GMT
#189952
On December 13 2017 09:17 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 09:11 Introvert wrote:
On December 13 2017 09:07 Sermokala wrote:
No hes just saying religious people are stupid and thinks everyone in the room agrees with him.


It's funny because DPB's posting in this thread over time doesn't reflect the oh so thoughtful and highly educated political intellect we are supposed to assume all these blue-staters have. He's a stereotype lover whose level of political discourse makes you think most of his political knowledge comes from watching old episodes of The Daily Show, if that.

Not to sterotype him myself but he fits so perfectly into one I laugh every time.

Hm here we go again with me having trouble understanding this presumably conservative humor, particularly when it is used to judge an individual in an attempt to make a left-leaning group look bad.

Note that you are connecting the fact that he is a stereotype lover with the fact that you see him as being neither thoughtful nor behaving as though he is highly educated, just as you stereotype him and laugh about it. The self-identification of the stereotyping seems to me to be, not so much a defense, but an action similar to when Donald Trump Jr surprised everyone by releasing self-incriminating documents, making the whole world go 'HUH?'


What? You should read some of his past posts in this thread and then get back to me. Much of his posting resembles the one he made above. It's completely useless. I said "it's funny" but that was sarcastic, my post wasn't an attempt at humor.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
December 13 2017 00:22 GMT
#189953
On December 13 2017 09:21 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 09:17 micronesia wrote:
On December 13 2017 09:11 Introvert wrote:
On December 13 2017 09:07 Sermokala wrote:
No hes just saying religious people are stupid and thinks everyone in the room agrees with him.


It's funny because DPB's posting in this thread over time doesn't reflect the oh so thoughtful and highly educated political intellect we are supposed to assume all these blue-staters have. He's a stereotype lover whose level of political discourse makes you think most of his political knowledge comes from watching old episodes of The Daily Show, if that.

Not to sterotype him myself but he fits so perfectly into one I laugh every time.

Hm here we go again with me having trouble understanding this presumably conservative humor, particularly when it is used to judge an individual in an attempt to make a left-leaning group look bad.

Note that you are connecting the fact that he is a stereotype lover with the fact that you see him as being neither thoughtful nor behaving as though he is highly educated, just as you stereotype him and laugh about it. The self-identification of the stereotyping seems to me to be, not so much a defense, but an action similar to when Donald Trump Jr surprised everyone by releasing self-incriminating documents, making the whole world go 'HUH?'


What? You should read some of his past posts in this thread and then get back to me. Much of his posting resembles the one he made above. It's completely useless. I said "it's funny" but that was sarcastic, my post wasn't an attempt at humor.

what would you like done about it's uselessness, if anything?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 13 2017 00:23 GMT
#189954
I like the dated Daily Show reference too. Conservatives, the cool kids of the left moved on to a mix of Full Frontal Samantha Bee and John Oliver. The Daily Show is now B tier leftist circle jerk.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
December 13 2017 00:26 GMT
#189955
On December 13 2017 09:23 Plansix wrote:
I like the dated Daily Show reference too. Conservatives, the cool kids of the left moved on to a mix of Full Frontal Samantha Bee and John Oliver. The Daily Show is now B tier leftist circle jerk.


"most of his political knowledge comes from watching old episodes of The Daily Show, if that."

I know that at least Jon Stewart had some talent.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44316 Posts
December 13 2017 00:26 GMT
#189956
On December 13 2017 08:59 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 08:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
In an effort to try and jinx the election in our favor, I'd like to remind everyone that the red states are traditionally the dumbest states in the country (Alabama, for example, is ranked 44th in terms of education): https://wallethub.com/edu/most-educated-states/31075/

Not shocked with these rankings. They need to lay off the Bible.
40 South Carolina
41 Oklahoma
42 Texas
43 Tennessee
44 Alabama
45 Nevada
46 Kentucky
47 Arkansas
48 Louisiana
49 Mississippi
50 West Virginia


Why just southern states? Where are the red states in the Great Plains and Midwest? What other factors could be at work here?

[image loading]

Are you calling poor people stupid?


It's not a causal relationship, so no I wouldn't say that, but it's definitely the case that there is a strong negative correlation between education and poverty. In fact, socioeconomic status is likely to be the biggest predictor of academic success in students, moreso than race, sex, etc. There is also a strong negative correlation between religiosity and education, hence my reference to the Bible. Unsurprisingly, most of those states ranked 40-50 in education are also in deep South, also called the Bible Belt.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 13 2017 00:27 GMT
#189957
On December 13 2017 09:21 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 09:17 micronesia wrote:
On December 13 2017 09:11 Introvert wrote:
On December 13 2017 09:07 Sermokala wrote:
No hes just saying religious people are stupid and thinks everyone in the room agrees with him.


It's funny because DPB's posting in this thread over time doesn't reflect the oh so thoughtful and highly educated political intellect we are supposed to assume all these blue-staters have. He's a stereotype lover whose level of political discourse makes you think most of his political knowledge comes from watching old episodes of The Daily Show, if that.

Not to sterotype him myself but he fits so perfectly into one I laugh every time.

Hm here we go again with me having trouble understanding this presumably conservative humor, particularly when it is used to judge an individual in an attempt to make a left-leaning group look bad.

Note that you are connecting the fact that he is a stereotype lover with the fact that you see him as being neither thoughtful nor behaving as though he is highly educated, just as you stereotype him and laugh about it. The self-identification of the stereotyping seems to me to be, not so much a defense, but an action similar to when Donald Trump Jr surprised everyone by releasing self-incriminating documents, making the whole world go 'HUH?'


What? You should read some of his past posts in this thread and then get back to me. Much of his posting resembles the one he made above. It's completely useless. I said "it's funny" but that was sarcastic, my post wasn't an attempt at humor.

Alabama is a deeply red state that has elected officials that think the Bible is required to be sworn into office. It's education is also shit and it's rural hospitals are closing. Conservatives are literally running these states into the ground, soaking up federal dollars and then blamed democrats.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 00:33:07
December 13 2017 00:32 GMT
#189958
On December 13 2017 09:26 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 09:23 Plansix wrote:
I like the dated Daily Show reference too. Conservatives, the cool kids of the left moved on to a mix of Full Frontal Samantha Bee and John Oliver. The Daily Show is now B tier leftist circle jerk.


"most of his political knowledge comes from watching old episodes of The Daily Show, if that."

I know that at least Jon Stewart had some talent.

Oh the sick burn. Except you're full of shit. DPB is a teacer in the public school system. So not only is he educated, his politically knowledge is based on his profession. And to no ones surprise, conservative political views hold little appeal who gets to see the impacts of those policies first hand.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 00:35:53
December 13 2017 00:35 GMT
#189959
An interesting angle on this is that Republicans often look at places like Chicago and ask why Democrats haven't solved it's problems (not entirely unjustified), so I wonder, why has Republican control in the south left them so poor and ignorant?

Or why is it fair to blame Chicago on Democrats but not blame the many problems in the south on Republicans?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44316 Posts
December 13 2017 00:36 GMT
#189960
On December 13 2017 09:07 Sermokala wrote:
No hes just saying religious people are stupid and thinks everyone in the room agrees with him.


The agreement I was presuming was that most of TL is more liberal than conservative and, as such, would not want Roy Moore to be elected (and, I'd imagine, that even some conservative TLers wouldn't be able to overlook Moore's horrible reputation and wouldn't want him elected anyway, as he would only make the reputation of the Republican party worse).
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