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On December 13 2017 04:04 Plansix wrote:

Shockingly accurate.

A majority of voters nationwide say Republican Roy Moore should be expelled from the Senate if he wins a seat in the chamber in Tuesday’s special election in Alabama, according to a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll.

More than six-in-10 voters (61 percent) — including a plurality of Republicans — think the Senate should expel the embattled Moore, who has been accused of pursuing and molesting teenage girls while in his 30s. That includes 77 percent of Democrats, 59 percent of independents and 45 percent of Republicans.

There’s also a gender gap, especially among Republicans, on the issue of expulsion. Half of female Republicans think the Senate should expel Moore, but just 39 percent of Republican men agree.

Only 17 percent of voters think the Senate should not expel Moore if he defeats Democrat Doug Jones in Tuesday’s election — including 7 percent of Democrats, 16 percent of independents and 29 percent of Republicans.

Moore and Jones are down to the wire in a close race to fill the remaining three years of now-Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ unexpired term in the Senate. The polls vary on which candidate is ahead, and some pollsters are cautioning that their surveys shouldn’t be interpreted as a prediction because of greater uncertainty in the special election.

Most voters also believe the Republican National Committee was wrong to reinstate its support for Moore’s campaign, which came last week, after President Donald Trump endorsed Moore, despite the scandal. A 52 percent majority says the RNC did the wrong thing in supporting Moore, while only 20 percent say it was the right thing to back Moore.

Republican voters are split on the question: 35 percent say the RNC did the right thing, and 34 percent say it was the wrong thing to do.

Nearly four-in-10 voters say the RNC’s decision to support Moore makes them less likely to support the committee in the future, while 11 percent say it makes them more likely and 31 percent say it doesn’t change their mind either way.

On December 13 2017 04:08 GreenHorizons wrote:


When Warren calls it slut shaming is she implying that she did it, that there wouldn't be a problem with it, or something else? I admit, that one confused me a bit.

On December 13 2017 04:00 LegalLord wrote:
It was under Obama's leadership that Democrats lost their huge advantage of local and state governorships, that DWS became head of the DNC, that Hillary Clinton was groomed as the heir to the Obama legacy, and that the general dissatisfaction with the status quo festered and grew. Obama did oversee a moderately successful recovery of the US economy, even if it remains anemic for all but the wealthiest. He did pass some meaningful, if ultimately insufficient, reforms in a lot of social and domestic areas. In short he was neither all that bad of a president nor a particularly good one, and slowly but surely it became clear that his star was wearing off. There's a difference between surface-level "first impression" charisma and the kind of charisma that develops from working with someone for a long time and gaining respect for them; evidently Obama's strength is in the former.

Damn was it easy to deflect his faults onto something or someone else, and there are still individuals even in this very thread who take any criticism of Obama personally and would deflect as long as possible, but at some point you have to admit that "charismatic but ineffective leadership" doesn't really solve the problems. I actually liked what Chris Christie had to say in his last hurrah as a candidate - it's not about being able to give a speech about how great America is, the people expect you to plow the snow and to get the roads working, so on and so forth. The record there was... adequate but nothing to write home about.

Sure, it seems like an afterthought in the wake of the fact that Trump is president, and that's how the DNC and friends would like you to see it. Even before it was Trump being president it was "we can't worry about Hillary Clinton's faults, Trump is so bad, just elect her then we can talk." And it hasn't changed, it's all about "have you seen the other" guy and not about someone who actually suggests genuine change. And I've seen that the Democrats have enough such potential candidates, they just get no support and aren't "true party loyalists" so they get passed over every time because if the Democrats don't support their own candidate, why would the voters?

You need more than promising hope with no desire to deliver, and you need way more than just promising to be better than "the other guy" to actually win things. Despite being clearly sort of unhinged, Bernie Sanders' greatest strength that propelled him forward wasn't progressivism (he isn't the only progressive around) but more so honesty in that very few people would expect him not to follow through with his promises. The DNC doesn't get it, though.

On December 13 2017 04:14 LegalLord wrote:

Yes, it’s clear that nothing bad that happened under his watch is his fault. This time - because he was just too busy to take care of it!

Deflection at its finest.

On December 13 2017 04:08 GreenHorizons wrote:


When Warren calls it slut shaming is she implying that she did it, that there wouldn't be a problem with it, or something else? I admit, that one confused me a bit.

On December 13 2017 04:32 mozoku wrote:
If only Plansix applied the same standard to corporate CEOs...

On December 13 2017 04:37 Doodsmack wrote:


That seemed like a stupid term for her to use. But one thing that's for sure is that Trump's views on women are very backwards. You can't say it's quite as bad as Saudi Arabia, but I don't know why anyone would want to be that close to Saudi Arabia on this issue.

On December 13 2017 04:40 kollin wrote:

That is a completely accurate equivalence and I'm glad somebody finally made it before I had to

On December 13 2017 04:46 Plansix wrote:

I’ll shit on a CEO any day of the week. But when banks like Wells Fargo have their CEO step down acts like its all cool now, I’ll point out that he was but a small part of the problem.

The President is the punching bag for all the flaws during their time in office. There are 500 members of congress and two huge political parties. Some people just like to focus on the president because it’s easy.

On December 13 2017 04:12 Plansix wrote:

That was a weird term to use, but I get the point. It isn’t like Trump is accusing Chuck of offering a BJ to pass DACA.

On December 13 2017 04:48 kollin wrote:

I was being sarcastic haha, I agree with you