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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 13 2017 02:25 Mohdoo wrote: If Saturday is shitty for Jews, make it both Saturday and Sunday. Or just make it a week day and give everyone the day off. Government workers get overtime on weekends anyways. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
There were some questions of the closing of the DMVs were an attempt to suppress the vote. This Op Ed by the NYT does a pretty good job of detailing the sustained efforts by the Alabama GOP to suppress the black vote. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10700 Posts
Its also "fun" how the same people advocating for voter-id are against general ID cause FREEDOM... | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 13 2017 01:03 Gorsameth wrote: That's the beautiful thing. Whatever the mind of the reader wants it to mean in order to feel contempt for her. That comment seems to have enraged a lot of the senate women and they are making their displeasure known. Loudly. This might not have been Trump’s day to drop some overt sexism into his standard shit posting. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Naming your horse "Sassy", totally a thing a not pedophile would do. Also, has anyone seen the video of Moore speaking fluent russian? It's really... odd? | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On December 13 2017 02:07 TheTenthDoc wrote: Wisconsin-Republican at the gubernatorial and legislative level in 2016. Hence why the voter ID laws were enacted. Illinois-doesn't have voter ID laws? Not sure what you're talking about. Ohio-the voter purging for inactivity thing? This is even harder to campaign on, and may already be illegal by federal law. But at least it's going to SCOTUS. New Hampshire-The state where a Democrat governor veto'd an ID bill then was overruled by a Republican supermajority? And the legislature is currently still Republican? Virginia-a state board of elections that is 2 R's 1 Dem because the governor is R that does aggressive purging? Sounds a lot like NC. Stopping some of these would require amending the state constitutions (Virginia, North Carolina) and in other states require dealing with a Republican supermajority legislature. Sorry meant Indiana and said Illinois for some reason. Otherwise I don't get what you're pointing out? States that are contestable still have voter ID laws. Democrats should contest the voter ID laws there and make it a big issue. On top of just voter ID there's also the other voter related topics being discussed. I believe I started by saying voter suppression, or intended to if I didn't (in which case my apologies), which would also include the other forms of suppression like polling access. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35143 Posts
On December 13 2017 03:05 Nevuk wrote: https://twitter.com/CNN/status/940624610520952832 Naming your horse "Sassy", totally a thing a not pedophile would do I imagine "Tomboy" would be worse. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 13 2017 03:05 Nevuk wrote: https://twitter.com/CNN/status/940624610520952832 Naming your horse "Sassy", totally a thing a not pedophile would do. Also, has anyone seen the video of Moore speaking fluent russian? It's really... odd? This is the shittest form of LARPing I've seen in a while. This man has less nuance that the super racist dad in Wolfenstein. On December 13 2017 03:05 Logo wrote: Sorry meant Indiana and said Illinois for some reason. Otherwise I don't get what you're pointing out? States that are contestable still have voter ID laws. Democrats should contest the voter ID laws there and make it a big issue. On top of just voter ID there's also the other voter related topics being discussed. I believe I started by saying voter suppression, or intended to if I didn't (in which case my apologies), which would also include the other forms of suppression like polling access. Just rope that in with campaign finance, regulating super PACs and call the whole thing "Election Reform". Run on making elections better in the US. I would love to see the GOP mount an offensive against that platform. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11507 Posts
On December 13 2017 03:10 Plansix wrote: This is the shittest form of LARPing I've seen in a while. This man has less nuance that the super racist dad in Wolfenstein. Just rope that in with campaign finance, regulating super PACs and call the whole thing "Election Reform". Run on making elections better in the US. I would love to see the GOP mount an offensive against that platform. They don't have to. They just derail and talk about something else. Like abortion, or black people, or gays, or terrorists, or evolution, or FREEDOM!!! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 13 2017 03:14 Simberto wrote: They don't have to. They just derail and talk about something else. Like abortion, or black people, or gays, or terrorists, or whatever. Run better candidates. They pulled out all the stops against this Obama guy and he sailed to victory twice. It is possible if they run on things people want to see changed. Elections are winnable in the US if Democrats focus on real problems facing this country. But they can’t run on “we will fix everything and make it all better.” | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21667 Posts
On December 13 2017 03:15 Plansix wrote: Run better candidates. They pulled out all the stops against this Obama guy and he sailed to victory twice. It is possible if they run on things people want to see changed. Elections are winnable in the US if Democrats focus on real problems facing this country. But they can’t run on “we will fix everything and make it all better.” You can run on 'election reform' and then lose to the guy promising to bring steel and coal jobs back the US. I think if you look at the numbers, those who care about election reform are already voting Democrat. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 13 2017 03:19 Gorsameth wrote: You can run on 'election reform' and then lose to the guy promising to bring steel and coal jobs back the US. I think if you look at the numbers, those who care about election reform are already voting Democrat. And those voters don’t show up I mid terms, so I don’t care how they are going to vote if they don’t bother to vote. Black turnout is important. Running on a platform that focuses “we will combat voter suppression on the national and state level” might turn out the vote. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Unfortunately the Democrats seem to have little more strategy than to attempt to manufacture another Obama (misattributing his charm to minority status rather than charisma and playing identity politics to stoke tension for political gain) and the only guy they have is "have you seen the other" guy. They lose lots of elections they could have won by being stupid. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 13 2017 03:27 LegalLord wrote: That "Obama" guy ran on a platform that did promise genuine reform and did a lot to try to convince people that his policies would make things better. And he ended up being more popular than his actual policies. Unfortunately the Democrats seem to have little more strategy than to attempt to manufacture another Obama (misattributing his charm to minority status rather than charisma and playing identity politics to stoke tension for political gain) and the only guy they have is "have you seen the other" guy. They lose lots of elections they could have won by being stupid. While that may be true to some extent.. HAVE YOU SEEN THE OTHER GUY?!?!?! | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On December 13 2017 03:27 LegalLord wrote: That "Obama" guy ran on a platform that did promise genuine reform and did a lot to try to convince people that his policies would make things better. And he ended up being more popular than his actual policies. Unfortunately the Democrats seem to have little more strategy than to attempt to manufacture another Obama (misattributing his charm to minority status rather than charisma and playing identity politics to stoke tension for political gain) and the only guy they have is "have you seen the other" guy. They lose lots of elections they could have won by being stupid. It's also ridiculous I think to focus so much on the national stage. The democrats seem to have little or not issue which how little state control they currently hold. Especially with the 2020 redistricting/census looming and what happened in 2012 that seems like such an obvious catastrophe waiting to happen. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 13 2017 03:27 LegalLord wrote: That "Obama" guy ran on a platform that did promise genuine reform and did a lot to try to convince people that his policies would make things better. And he ended up being more popular than his actual policies. Unfortunately the Democrats seem to have little more strategy than to attempt to manufacture another Obama (misattributing his charm to minority status rather than charisma and playing identity politics to stoke tension for political gain) and the only guy they have is "have you seen the other" guy. They lose lots of elections they could have won by being stupid. I think people focus far too much on the policy with Obama and not enough on the fact that he was stunningly charismatic, hopeful and gave off an aura that he earnestly gave a shit about people in the US. I am all about policy, but having people believe in the candidate is important. People running on the making democracy way less shitty is a way better platform and any of the garbage the democrats or even Sanders are selling. Free college seems like a pipe dream when we are struggling not to elect a dude that believes women shouldn’t vote. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On December 13 2017 03:05 Logo wrote: Sorry meant Indiana and said Illinois for some reason. Otherwise I don't get what you're pointing out? States that are contestable still have voter ID laws. Democrats should contest the voter ID laws there and make it a big issue. On top of just voter ID there's also the other voter related topics being discussed. I believe I started by saying voter suppression, or intended to if I didn't (in which case my apologies), which would also include the other forms of suppression like polling access. I guess I'm mostly pointing out that they're already doing it? You seemed to be coming at it from a standpoint of "Democrats should be making this an issue at the state and national level" as if they weren't already doing so. I think it was also part of the 2016 platform. The reason that these things are happening isn't because Dems aren't doing anything, it's because they're trying but in states with heavy R concentrations it's virtually impossible and only got harder with gerrymandering. | ||
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