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This is a high quality article by The Guardian’s standards. It’s also very perceptive compared to the Post-Trump American left.
I really wonder how much the left wing vs liberal parallels Corbyn’s liberals in the UK, as asserted. The reporting I’ve seen shows Corbyn’s liberal party unity occurs down different lines.
The Republican party is so egregiously horrible, they argue, that it is imperative to remain loyal to our only hope of stopping them: the Democratic party. This viewpoint is captured in a recent Democratic Campaign Coordinating Committee sign reading “Democrats 2018: I mean, have you seen the other guys?”
This is great. Future Dem 2018/2020 slogan. Vote for us, have you seen the other guys?
These political tribes have their benefits. They help draw people into politics, bring people together and give members purpose. But political tribalism can also be hazardous. At its worst, it creates enemies out of neighbours, turning complex people into “sell-outs” or “purists”. Tribes trick us into thinking that political participation is about being well-versed in tribal rhetoric – say, being able to list the correct takes on past inter-tribal skirmishes – rather than about pursuing tangible goals. They encourage confirmatory, self-validating thought, rather than the exploratory thought that helps our politics stay aligned with reality.
Tribalism stokes activism but collapses with virtue signalling and self validating thought.
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On October 27 2017 07:40 Danglars wrote:This is a high quality article by The Guardian’s standards. It’s also very perceptive compared to the Post-Trump American left. I really wonder how much the left wing vs liberal parallels Corbyn’s liberals in the UK, as asserted. The reporting I’ve seen shows Corbyn’s liberal party unity occurs down different lines. Show nested quote +The Republican party is so egregiously horrible, they argue, that it is imperative to remain loyal to our only hope of stopping them: the Democratic party. This viewpoint is captured in a recent Democratic Campaign Coordinating Committee sign reading “Democrats 2018: I mean, have you seen the other guys?” This is great. Future Dem 2018/2020 slogan. Vote for us, have you seen the other guys? Show nested quote +These political tribes have their benefits. They help draw people into politics, bring people together and give members purpose. But political tribalism can also be hazardous. At its worst, it creates enemies out of neighbours, turning complex people into “sell-outs” or “purists”. Tribes trick us into thinking that political participation is about being well-versed in tribal rhetoric – say, being able to list the correct takes on past inter-tribal skirmishes – rather than about pursuing tangible goals. They encourage confirmatory, self-validating thought, rather than the exploratory thought that helps our politics stay aligned with reality. Tribalism stokes activism but collapses with virtue signalling and self validating thought.
Not sure if that was impressively introspective, or mindbogglingly unaware
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On October 27 2017 07:40 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2017 07:18 Plansix wrote:On October 27 2017 07:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 27 2017 07:02 Plansix wrote:
There is only one party trying to fuck me over constantly and that is the Republicans. There has never been a reason to vote for them or vote in protest of the democrats since I started voting. Maybe as a upper-middle class white man this is somewhat conceivable, but you have to then see how that is absolutely not true for people like myself. I'd argue that Democrats constantly are trying to fuck people like yourselves over and the sooner you see it the sooner we can make real progress. I'm a pretty solid middle class. My 401K is not impressive and we have trouble saving like everyone else in this modern economy. And the Democrats have not tried to fuck me over. Maybe you missed the part where the ACA is a huge part of why my wife and I didn't have to declare bankruptcy because of surgery she needed. I get that they have not done enough for everyone, but changes very little for me. The reason we get so down on you when you get on your Democrat hate train is that you and the progressives need people like me, Wolf, Kwark. Just like we need the progressives. There is no future where we fill 50% of the senate with socialists. Not on our life time. Getting elected on outrage and anger at the establishment of the party might work, but it won't get rid of 100% of them. Not by a long shot. If we center this around ourselves you may have a case for yourself, but there is no case for me, it's clear they have fucked me over and people who are in similar situations. So it's important we take it outside of ourselves. I presume you see how they have tried to fuck me and people who look like me over? I have a hard time seeing how you don't see how they fucked you over.
You have this problem where you are taking me to task for voting in my best interest. I would like help other people and do. But I need the ACA to stay in place and that is where my vote goes first. He democrats are FAR from ideal, but it is all I have to work with. Because the progressive party in this state could win a local election against a dead candidate.
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On October 27 2017 07:40 Danglars wrote:This is a high quality article by The Guardian’s standards. It’s also very perceptive compared to the Post-Trump American left. I really wonder how much the left wing vs liberal parallels Corbyn’s liberals in the UK, as asserted. The reporting I’ve seen shows Corbyn’s liberal party unity occurs down different lines. Show nested quote +The Republican party is so egregiously horrible, they argue, that it is imperative to remain loyal to our only hope of stopping them: the Democratic party. This viewpoint is captured in a recent Democratic Campaign Coordinating Committee sign reading “Democrats 2018: I mean, have you seen the other guys?” This is great. Future Dem 2018/2020 slogan. Vote for us, have you seen the other guys? Show nested quote +These political tribes have their benefits. They help draw people into politics, bring people together and give members purpose. But political tribalism can also be hazardous. At its worst, it creates enemies out of neighbours, turning complex people into “sell-outs” or “purists”. Tribes trick us into thinking that political participation is about being well-versed in tribal rhetoric – say, being able to list the correct takes on past inter-tribal skirmishes – rather than about pursuing tangible goals. They encourage confirmatory, self-validating thought, rather than the exploratory thought that helps our politics stay aligned with reality. Tribalism stokes activism but collapses with virtue signalling and self validating thought.
I think the Guardian gets unfair stick to be honest, if you avoid certain opinion writers it's generally pretty solid.
As for the UK, I would say that the situation in the Labour Party was fairly similar. After the election, the party establishment has, by in large, fallen in behind him. The reason for this is I think the conflict within the Labour Party was genuinely driven by 'electability', and he has proven himself at least somewhat electable. There's definitely a sizeable contingent of anti-Brexit liberals within the party who are opposed to Corbyn due to his ambivalence, and that could cause an enormous split depending on circumstance. For now, though, I think the UK's left has won the debate much more convincingly than in the US.
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I am sympathetic to the lesser evil talks. I would have voted for Clinton if I was american, I voted for Macron. That being said I find it very lacking when it comes to US politics because of the two party system. If I'm going to vote for someone I don't like I need the system to reflect that my support wasn't unconditional.
And the rhetoric associated with the lesser evil talks is always infuriating, this article being no exception:
"Loyalist Democrats want to play down the divide, calling for unity by insisting that Democrats are all members of “the left”"
Unity is a talking point, it's not a real thing. All of this political wing talking about unity isn't going to budge in order to reach that unity: they will keep the same positions, project the idea that they want unity so that it's out there in the discussions, and then complain that when someone doesn't share those positions that they hold or doesn't support candidates who hold those positions, well they're doing something reprehensible because of UNITY.
But you've heard all of this from me before.
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White House officials say Trump will state in a coming memo that he had “no choice” but to keep others secret because of national security concerns.
What on earth could it possibly be that keeping it secret for all these years is safer than admitting whatever it is so we can deal with it?
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maybe nothing and it's just a smokescreen to stir up the conspiracy crowd?
or trump just did ti cuz someone asked/told him to and he doesn't really care and he doesn't know why.
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I thought he was pandering the the conspiracy crowd now?
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Frankly I pretty much thought we were waiting for Arlen Specter to die and we were good. Would it matter to anyone if it turned out there was no justifiable reason to keep them secret as long as they did?
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On an unrelated note, someone dug up a letter Trump wrote pretending to be a female employee of his, responding to an article about him treating his female employees badly. The employee explains that Trump respects women, and that's why all women want to go out with him.![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/794ayvylk7uz.jpg)
The president of the United States.
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That sounds fictional Kwark (although with this POTUS I acknowledge it is still plausible). What is your source for that?
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If you read that and had to guess the author I don't think anyone would guess anyone but Trump, it matches his very distinctive writing style perfectly. I got it from reddit which took it from here.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/10/26/trump-carolin-gallego-letter/
Trump has been caught pretending to be employees and friends of himself responding to stories about himself numerous times previously. John Miller was one of his fake names, Barron another. That he does this is a matter of record. Incidentally he actually named his son after the fake name he uses when pretending to be his own friend.
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That CVS Aetna purchase would be pretty nuts, I've got a feeling it won't end up going through.
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took them long enough
WASHINGTON — It started with a search three years ago. Michael-Vincent Nario Malanyaon learned from American archives that his great uncle in the Philippines served in World War II.
Alfonzo B. Velasco was a Philippine Scout, fighting for the U.S. He died in combat May 5, 1942, according to Malanyaon. His age was unknown.
“I frankly don’t even know where he was buried,” Malanyaon, 43, told NBCNews.
A Congressional Gold Medal presented Wednesday during a ceremony at the U.S. Capitol honors the contributions of a quarter million Filipinos and Filipino Americans like Velasco who fought in World War II, some paying the ultimate sacrifice.
It’s a recognition that comes seven decades after these very same vets were denied benefits promised for their service.
“For me to accept the award as next of kin for my great uncle is very humbling,” said Malanyaon, who received a bronze replica of the medal at a separate event later in the day.
Filipino vets, many in their 80s and 90s, along with family members of surviving and deceased veterans were among the hundreds who attended the late morning ceremony, held in Emancipation Hall at the Capitol.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/congressional-gold-medal-filipino-world-war-ii-vets-honor-75-n814436
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On October 27 2017 09:03 farvacola wrote:
That CVS Aetna purchase would be pretty nuts, I've got a feeling it won't end up going through.
i wouldn't be too sure of that honestly. cvs might have to divest a big chunk of its business or split in two, but it could happen. unitedhealthcare runs a PBM and a healthplan and a bunch of health services in between, and the fed hasn't really taken a whack at them yet even though they're bigger than if you sliced off caremark and slapped it on top of aetna.
it's a hell of an ambitious plan and hard to pull off, but it could definitely happen.
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This voter commission isn't getting a lot of press, but this is all a straight up plan to enact voter suppression nation wide. Or as wide as possible.
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If 6+ people can't get the job done, then 1 person can also get the job not done. That's government efficiency!
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