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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 27 2017 13:27 GMT
#181421
A computer server crucial to a lawsuit against Georgia election officials was quietly wiped clean by its custodians just after the suit was filed, The Associated Press has learned.

The server's data was destroyed July 7 by technicians at the Center for Elections Systems at Kennesaw State University, which runs the state's election system. The data wipe was revealed in an email sent last week from an assistant state attorney general to plaintiffs in the case that was later obtained by the AP. More emails obtained in a public records request confirmed the wipe.

The lawsuit, filed July 3 by a diverse group of election reform advocates, aims to force Georgia to retire its antiquated and heavily criticized election technology. The server in question, which served as a statewide staging location for key election-related data, made national headlines in June after a security expert disclosed a gaping security hole that wasn't fixed six months after he reported it to election authorities.

WIPED OUT

It's not clear who ordered the server's data irretrievably erased.

The Kennesaw elections center answers to Georgia's secretary of state, Brian Kemp, a Republican running for governor in 2018 and the suit's main defendant. His spokeswoman issued a statement Thursday saying his office had neither involvement nor advanced warning of the decision. It blamed "the undeniable ineptitude" at the Kennesaw State elections center.

After declining comment for more than 24 hours, Kennesaw State's media office issued a statement late Thursday attributing the server wiping to "standard operating procedure." It did not respond to the AP's question on who ordered the action.

Plaintiffs in the lawsuit, mostly Georgia voters, want to scrap the state's 15-year-old vote-management system — particularly its 27,000 AccuVote touchscreen voting machines, hackable devices that don't use paper ballots or keep hardcopy proof of voter intent. The plaintiffs were counting on an independent security review of the Kennesaw server, which held elections staging data for counties, to demonstrate the system's unreliability.

Wiping the server "forestalls any forensic investigation at all," said Richard DeMillo, a Georgia Tech computer scientist following the case. "People who have nothing to hide don't behave this way."


Source
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Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
October 27 2017 13:31 GMT
#181422
On October 27 2017 14:05 Danglars wrote:
I want a better answer to why 50+ year old documents need to be withheld for national security reasons. It appears to fuel speculation rather than deaden it.

although the incident happened 50+ years ago, some data, processes, documents, codes, identities, etc., may still be a current threat to national security particularly against Russia. It's good that Trump delayed some documents pending explanation
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
October 27 2017 13:36 GMT
#181423
Isn't national security a sufficient explanation?
passive quaranstream fan
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 27 2017 14:20 GMT
#181424
On October 27 2017 22:36 Artisreal wrote:
Isn't national security a sufficient explanation?


No, because then taking our freedoms is part of "national security" (which is still happening).
Life?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
October 27 2017 14:45 GMT
#181425
The difficult with "national security reasons" is that the excuse has been used many times when it turned out the reason was something else later on. We don't have a reason to trust them.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 27 2017 14:46 GMT
#181426
On October 27 2017 22:36 Artisreal wrote:
Isn't national security a sufficient explanation?

it's more an assertion that an explanation exists, without providing that explanation.
the thing is they can always say "national security" and there's not enoguh detail to say whether it's really justified or not. and sometimes they probably assert it without it being necessary.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-27 14:52:52
October 27 2017 14:49 GMT
#181427


Reminder that reason used as opposition to interracial marriage religious objection, rather than racial politics. But it was always about race. Sessions is towing the conservative line that Christianity can be used to justify discrimination.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
October 27 2017 14:52 GMT
#181428
On October 27 2017 23:49 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/MaryEmilyOHara/status/923607247267168256


I'd like to see some sort of religion form where being gay is a crucial component of the faith. Kinda like the spaghetti guy in Florida. Make a mockery of what this actually is. There are people who believe som man in the sky creates universes and is really uncomfortable with gay people. the level of idiocy it must take to consider that and be like "yeah, I can see how someone who creates universes would get kinda shaky about gay stuff" blows my mind
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 27 2017 14:54 GMT
#181429
On October 27 2017 22:31 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2017 14:05 Danglars wrote:
I want a better answer to why 50+ year old documents need to be withheld for national security reasons. It appears to fuel speculation rather than deaden it.

although the incident happened 50+ years ago, some data, processes, documents, codes, identities, etc., may still be a current threat to national security particularly against Russia. It's good that Trump delayed some documents pending explanation

I was expecting heavy redactions for parts involving CIA assets, e.g. researching Lee Harvey Oswald's defection to the Soviet Union.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 27 2017 14:55 GMT
#181430
On October 27 2017 23:52 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2017 23:49 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/MaryEmilyOHara/status/923607247267168256


I'd like to see some sort of religion form where being gay is a crucial component of the faith. Kinda like the spaghetti guy in Florida. Make a mockery of what this actually is. There are people who believe som man in the sky creates universes and is really uncomfortable with gay people. the level of idiocy it must take to consider that and be like "yeah, I can see how someone who creates universes would get kinda shaky about gay stuff" blows my mind

That's isn't Christianity, so it won't be protected. This isn't something that is beaten with logical arguments.
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9639 Posts
October 27 2017 15:14 GMT
#181431
obviously the only response is for everyone to deny service to our boy Jeff on the grounds of it violating their religious beliefs. What’s he gonna do, tell me i can’t?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 27 2017 15:27 GMT
#181432
Apparently Conway just confirmed that Trump specifically requested the Justice Department lift the FBI gag order on that witness. The gag order seems to have revolved around Justice Department guidelines about political candidates. The same ones that prevented them from dropping the bomb on Paul Manafort mid-election season. But once Trump found out about the gag order, he wanted it gone.

Between this and Trump personally interviewing attorneys for justice department positions for jurisdictions that have his properties in them, Trump is dead set ending Justice Department independence from the White House.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 27 2017 15:48 GMT
#181433
Bob McNair, the Houston Texans owner, faced a growing backlash on Friday after saying “we can’t have the inmates running the prison” in response to NFL players taking a knee during the United States national anthem. He later issued a public apology.

In a report on ESPN, McNair’s provocative statement at a meeting last week between owners, team executives and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell “stunned some in the room”.

“After the owners finished, Troy Vincent [the NFL executive vice president of football operations] stood up,” the article added. “He was offended by McNair’s characterization of the players as ‘inmates’. Vincent said that in all his years of playing in the NFL – during which, he said, he had been called every name in the book, including the N-word – he never felt like an ‘inmate’.”

McNair reportedly apologized to Vincent later “saying that he felt horrible and that his words weren’t meant to be taken literally”.

In an official statement, McNair said: “I regret that I used that expression. I never meant to offend anyone and I was not referring to our players. I used a figure of speech that was never intended to be taken literally. I would never characterize our players or our league that way and I apologize to anyone who was offended by it.”

McNair reportedly donated $1million to Donald Trump inaugural committee. The US president has been a vocal opponent of the NFL anthem protest.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 27 2017 16:11 GMT
#181434




Over the last several weeks, it has been revealed that a Russian troll factory headed by Vladimir Putin‘s pal Yevgeny Prigozhin was responsible for creating a number of highly visited political accounts on Facebook and Twitter. Facebook has acknowledged the Russian-linked accounts purchased $100,000 worth of political ads during 2016 election season.

We are now getting an inside look at the organization’s operation, thanks to a former staffer who has now gone on the record. In an interview with TV Rain via The Daily Beast, Alan Baskaev explained that the factory, known as Internet Research Agency, may have been behind sowing chaos and discord in American politics, but that those writing the propaganda pieces didn’t take the job too seriously.

“You know, there’s this meme about the troll factory, people sitting in black caps, masks, behind them there’s a photo of Putin and a Russian flag. They’re so intense,” he stated. “I don’t know what happened on the day shift, but the night shift was a bacchanal. We did the most ridiculous things we could think of.”

What was one of those ridiculous things? Apparently, the organization thought it struck gold with a fake video featuring a Hillary Clinton lookalike having sex with a black man. While they thought it would be a sensation, Baskaev noted that his thoughts were “no one will believe that.”

Another poorly done video that Baskaev mocked showed what was supposed to be an African-American soldier shooting a Quran. However, the man they used in the video had a very clear African accent, and those who viewed it on YouTube ridiculed the obvious propaganda attempt.

Baskaev worked at the factory from late 2014 to mid-2015. He said he was fired after it was discovered he was using pre-written forum posts rather than responding to content. The ex-staffer further stated that his time there was “the realest postmodernism.”
www.thedailybeast.com
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 27 2017 16:40 GMT
#181435
does anyone have good info on breitbart's revenue streams? I tried googling it, but mostly got vague answers and stuff about them losing ads recently. I'm wondering about their funding model; how much they get from subscriptions (do thye even have those?), ads, merchandising, other sources.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 27 2017 16:42 GMT
#181436
Conspiracy aside, I would not mind further info on the circumstances of Kennedy’s death. They were, in fact, fairly unusual.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-27 19:01:17
October 27 2017 19:01 GMT
#181437
The Whitefish Puerto Rico contract debacle looks like it's heating up; there's a good chance Zinke is not long for the Department of the Interior.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 27 2017 19:07 GMT
#181438
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
October 27 2017 19:35 GMT
#181439
I once visited the scene where JFK was shot and the building the guy used to shoot him from. Me personally with the gun he used could have made that shot within 3 tries and with the speed he reloaded. I have absolute faith that a trained marine could do much better. I don't see any odd circumstances with anything involving his death past the reasonable doubt that there might have been something more going on but I have no evidence for that
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
October 27 2017 19:53 GMT
#181440
On October 28 2017 04:35 Sermokala wrote:
I once visited the scene where JFK was shot and the building the guy used to shoot him from. Me personally with the gun he used could have made that shot within 3 tries and with the speed he reloaded. I have absolute faith that a trained marine could do much better. I don't see any odd circumstances with anything involving his death past the reasonable doubt that there might have been something more going on but I have no evidence for that

Marine sharpshooter. Gotta make that distinction. I'm an expert on the field but that's a stationary target. Even moving as slow as Kennedy was, would still take some skill. Every Marine can shoot a rifle. It takes skill to make that shot. Whether or not it was Oswald or he was the fall guy, is what I would like to know. But everything is saying he died before he made a confession. So who knows?

Maybe it really was The Comedian?
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