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Emnjay808
United States10639 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On September 26 2017 02:52 Emnjay808 wrote: I was wondering why the NFL thread hardly had any political talk, but it was all here lol. Now I got something to distract me from studying o/ For your own health I'd suggest returning to your studies. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 26 2017 02:52 Emnjay808 wrote: I was wondering why the NFL thread hardly had any political talk, but it was all here lol. Now I got something to distract me from studying o/ Like I said last night, people generally don't want to mix sports and politics. And this is one of the reasons why the NFL is going to be the big loser in all of this. | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On September 26 2017 02:44 ticklishmusic wrote: So... you're advocating for them to be more disruptive by going out on loudspeaker? I'm for all sides coming together to solve any actual problems asap with the cleanest solution. And then once solved, people involved goes back to their merry ways and not open up industries of victimhood, which is what we have right now. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8933 Posts
North Korea's foreign minister says President Trump's tweets about the Korean nation amount to a declaration of war and that under international law, his country can legally shoot down U.S. military planes — even if they're not in North Korea's airspace. "For the past couple of days, we had earnestly hoped that the war of words between North Korea and the U.S. would not lead to action," Ri Yong Ho said in remarks translated for NPR by journalist Jihye Lee. "However, Trump had ultimately declared war again last weekend, by saying regarding our leadership, that he will make it unable to last longer." The foreign minister said that Trump, as America's current leader, had issued a "clear declaration of war." In response, Pentagon spokesman Col. Robert Manning said, "If North Korea does not stop their provocative actions, you know, we will make sure that we provide options to the President to deal with North Korea." Ri was speaking this morning in New York, where U.N. meetings have been going on since last week. He was responding to a tweet from Trump, who said on Saturday, "Just heard Foreign Minister of North Korea speak at U.N. If he echoes thoughts of Little Rocket Man, they won't be around much longer!" The exchange of threats also included this from Trump, on Friday: "Kim Jong Un of North Korea, who is obviously a madman who doesn't mind starving or killing his people, will be tested like never before!" Source | ||
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brian
United States9610 Posts
jesus fuckin christ. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 26 2017 03:02 brian wrote: if you asked me what the worst thing about Trumps presidency was gonna be back in January, i couldn’t have dreamt that shit up. jesus fuckin christ. really? this is exactly the kind of thing people were talking about as an (unlikely, and still is unlikely) possibility. assuming you're talking in response to the NK situation. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15401 Posts
On September 26 2017 02:54 xDaunt wrote: Like I said last night, people generally don't want to mix sports and politics. And this is one of the reasons why the NFL is going to be the big loser in all of this. Viewers don't want to be confronted with these ethics issues while watching sports. But the athletes themselves have identities and personalities and have shown a willingness to express their beliefs. No matter what job someone is doing, they are still a human and should not be silenced or discouraged from speaking out. It keeps feeling like some people see sports like the military or something. Like these guys are expected to be stoic or something. | ||
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brian
United States9610 Posts
On September 26 2017 03:03 zlefin wrote: really? this is exactly the kind of thing people were talking about as an (unlikely, and still is unlikely) possibility. assuming you're talking in response to the NK situation. i guess if reading that you still think it’s unlikely then i totally hear what you’re saying. it’s hard for me to read that and come to that conclusion, but i get it. and i totally understand, i think, that whatever words come out of NK is all bark. but i don’t have the same expectation for Trump’s trigger/twitter-finger. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 26 2017 03:04 Mohdoo wrote: Viewers don't want to be confronted with these ethics issues while watching sports. But the athletes themselves have identities and personalities and have shown a willingness to express their beliefs. No matter what job someone is doing, they are still a human and should not be silenced or discouraged from speaking out. It keeps feeling like some people see sports like the military or something. Like these guys are expected to be stoic or something. There are a few things at work here. First, people don't want to be bombarded with politics in their entertainment unless they're actively seeking politics out. Second, the message at issue here is a particularly toxic one that people really don't want to be beaten over the head with. Average Joe Whitey doesn't want to hear people tell him that his country is racist, which necessarily implies that he is racist. Third, Average Joe Whitey really doesn't want to hear this message from a bunch of patently privileged sports athletes who earn millions of dollars per year and, for all intents and purposes, live in fantasy land. | ||
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brian
United States9610 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28559 Posts
 Athletes displaying politically conscious behavior is thus a positive. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 26 2017 03:12 Liquid`Drone wrote: On average, I like it when athletes voice their political opinions. But not always. I would have thought much higher of Paulo Di Canio if he hadn't. Generally though, athletes are role models and I want more people to involve themselves in politics and to be politically conscious. How is calling the country racist being a role model? This has been my point about these racial issues all along: the free use of the term "racist" to defame a huge percentage of the country's population will never accomplish anything more than render the debate toxic and further polarize the sides. Police brutality is not a racial issue, but these idiots can't help themselves but make it one. They aren't unifying the country to solve a problem. They are further dividing it. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15401 Posts
On September 26 2017 03:09 xDaunt wrote: There are a few things at work here. First, people don't want to be bombarded with politics in their entertainment unless they're actively seeking politics out. Second, the message at issue here is a particularly toxic one that people really don't want to be beaten over the head with. Average Joe Whitey doesn't want to hear people tell him that his country is racist, which necessarily implies that he is racist. Third, Average Joe White really doesn't want to hear this message from a bunch of a patently privileged sports athletes who earn millions of dollars per year and, for all intents and purposes, live in fantasy land. In what context would you say Joe Whitey wants to be confronted with this? I am not seeing any context where rural America wants to talk about racism. But that has always been the case. It was the case during the civil rights movement, too. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On September 26 2017 03:02 brian wrote: if you asked me what the worst thing about Trumps presidency was gonna be back in January, i couldn’t have dreamt that shit up. jesus fuckin christ. The best part is that many of his supporters are happy with him provoking nuclear war over Twitter. They think it makes him, or the US, look tough. It's so mind-mindbogglingly dumb it makes me want to just stick my head in the sand and try to ignore it because the consequences of this infantile dick measuring can be catastrophic. Best case scenario is that they are acting like retards on the world stage just to puff out their chests. Please, please let them just be fucking retards. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On September 26 2017 03:11 brian wrote: man so it really boils down to average joe white feeling like the victim here? His arguments are all built upon the assumption that racism just isn't an issue in the US, and so necessarily any talk of racism is just unfair harassment of white people. His arguments that follow sound reasonable enough if you follow the assumption, but it's a pretty big one to make. White privilege lets you make that assumption though. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On September 26 2017 03:09 xDaunt wrote: There are a few things at work here. First, people don't want to be bombarded with politics in their entertainment unless they're actively seeking politics out. Second, the message at issue here is a particularly toxic one that people really don't want to be beaten over the head with. Average Joe Whitey doesn't want to hear people tell him that his country is racist, which necessarily implies that he is racist. Third, Average Joe Whitey really doesn't want to hear this message from a bunch of patently privileged sports athletes who earn millions of dollars per year and, for all intents and purposes, live in fantasy land. The problem to me is that people see an accusation of racism as an irremovable stain on their character, rather than something that also isn't really their fault, just something that they should acknowledge and try to improve. If a black person says they feel discriminated against, there is no reason - not even wealth - to disbelieve them. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 26 2017 03:07 brian wrote: i guess if reading that you still think it’s unlikely then i totally hear what you’re saying. it’s hard for me to read that and come to that conclusion, but i get it. and i totally understand, i think, that whatever words come out of NK is all bark. but i don’t have the same expectation for Trump’s trigger/twitter-finger. it does sound alarming; trump has a long history though of bluster and not following through; trump is all bark, no bite: see what he did on china, and so many other issues. Also, a lot of what matters is who's really in charge, and right now it seemes ot be the generals, who know how serious the issue is. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8933 Posts
On September 26 2017 03:16 xDaunt wrote: How is calling the country racist being a role model? This has been my point about these racial issues all along: the free use of the term "racist" to defame a huge percentage of the country's population will never accomplish anything more than render the debate toxic and further polarize the sides. Police brutality is not a racial issue, but these idiots can't help themselves but make it one. They aren't unifying the country to solve a problem. They are further dividing it. You continue to call these people idiots. What gives you the right to undermine their intelligence? You think because they're athletes, they can't be intelligent? They can't bring notice to their cause? If you didn't know this, here you go: The game doesn't start until after the first kickoff. Everything before that isn't on the clock. They aren't at work. They are preparing to go to work. A camera is on them. Call it being opportune on part of the athlete. After the game, they are in the locker room or giving interviews. Most of the time, the channel is already changed. If you don't want to see them kneel, skip the first 15-20 minutes of the game. Simple. Then you won't have to see any of that. You understand the issue being protested. The anthem or flag is just an excuse to take the discussion of what the initial protest was about and instead, turns it into something about you being offended. You can't take this one from them to make it your cause, when their cause hasn't been heard/understood/answered. Danglers did the same when he equated Little Rock 9 to Shapiro being able to speak. You can't do that. They are fundamentally two separate things and you just look like, you guessed it, snowflakes for it. Take your president's advice and boycott the NFL if you don't like it. Or take my advice and skip the first 15-20 minutes. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 26 2017 03:18 kollin wrote: The problem to me is that people see an accusation of racism as an irremovable stain on their character, rather than something that also isn't really their fault, just something that they should acknowledge and try to improve. If a black person says they feel discriminated against, there is no reason - not even wealth - to disbelieve them. Of course people see it as a stain on their character rather than just another adjective. Look at how the Left uses the term for its political purposes. Look at how Leftist posters use the term around here. The intent is clearly defamatory, and the response from anyone to whom the Left tries to attach this label rightfully will be somewhere between "fuck you" and "I hope you get run over by a bus." | ||
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