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On August 26 2017 09:26 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 09:24 Wulfey_LA wrote:On August 26 2017 09:20 Introvert wrote:
people were still pushing the Nazi line?
Also rule of law is a meh argument, pretty much everyone who gets a pardon is a law breaker. I think this would be a typical end of term pardon that presidents love, except the sheriff is 85 so he doesn't have time to wait lol. No. This was a direct attack on the rule of law. Arpio hasn't even been sentenced yet and he didn't even apply for a pardon. He was found in contempt of court in JULY of 2017 and was set for sentencing in OCTOBER. There is actually a process and guidelines at the DOJ for applying for pardons and 5 years after sentencing is the usual application requirement. Trump is straight up shortcircuiting a live case that is being appealed right now. This is an unprecedented intervention into the judiciary system. Never before have we seen such corruption in the pardon system (except for that Nixon pardon). http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/31/ex-sheriff-joe-arpaio-found-guilty-criminal-contempt.html there is a normal system but this is Trump and there is no "doj system" clause in the constitution. I just don't like that argument.
You are not wrong. But doesn't mean he isn't abusing his powers for political gain and to please his base. If it's allowed, then the public can question his judgment using his presidential powers.
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On August 26 2017 09:32 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 09:30 xDaunt wrote:On August 26 2017 09:24 IgnE wrote:so after reading that transcript you came away with: mark lilla falls apart? i just don't see how one can argue that because hillary rodham didn't use exactly the same speech as the SJWs who voted for her that she's not associated with that speech. i mean i honestly think there's a case to be made that democratic candidates' speech is closer to "liberal" identitarian shibboleths than trump's speech is to the white supremacists' hate speech in charlottesville. and yet we have national outcry about trump's essential identity with white supremacist speech. Yep. Everyone who embraces identity politics is a racist. There's a helluva lot more of that among democrats than republicans. Identity politics was literally Trump's program. What legislative efforts are they pushing? Trump will still pretend to repeal Obamacare by 2020
He is pushing the "keep brown people out wall". That one has been huge for him. Not really a policy, as much as a vanity project.
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On August 26 2017 09:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Holy fuck...
The problem with this storm the is speed with which it developed and intensified. There simply wasn't enough warning and prep time. It's going to be really bad.
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The president should call a state of emergency at this point and just get shit rolling.
This pretty much sums it up. Just a reminder that the sheriff felt racial profiling was perfectly fine.
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On August 26 2017 09:30 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 09:24 IgnE wrote:so after reading that transcript you came away with: mark lilla falls apart? i just don't see how one can argue that because hillary rodham didn't use exactly the same speech as the SJWs who voted for her that she's not associated with that speech. i mean i honestly think there's a case to be made that democratic candidates' speech is closer to "liberal" identitarian shibboleths than trump's speech is to the white supremacists' hate speech in charlottesville. and yet we have national outcry about trump's essential identity with white supremacist speech. Yep. Everyone who embraces identity politics is a racist. There's a helluva lot more of that among democrats than republicans.
if you think seriously about "white privilege" one of its defining characteristics is what i would call its Protean Eidos. white people (men especially) essentially have open the entire range of socially approved subjectivities to inhabit. they can claim nearly anything they want to, be it doctor, teacher, professor, athlete, scientist, lawyer, salesman, whatever, goth, punk, mod, nerd, country boy, preppy, tweed-wearer, whatever. in my view the constant narrowing of identity among certain segments of the left, that comes down to, "you dont understand and you cant understand," and extends to reactionary reappropriation, tends toward "you can be anything you want as long as it matches your skin color and is consistent with who you last slept with." it forsakes the expansive and desirable kind of liberal freedom to (always provisionally) define yourself, and is generally blind to the economic realities that end up overdetermining subjectivities in the first place.
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On August 26 2017 09:32 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 09:29 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 26 2017 09:26 Introvert wrote:On August 26 2017 09:24 Wulfey_LA wrote:On August 26 2017 09:20 Introvert wrote:
people were still pushing the Nazi line?
Also rule of law is a meh argument, pretty much everyone who gets a pardon is a law breaker. I think this would be a typical end of term pardon that presidents love, except the sheriff is 85 so he doesn't have time to wait lol. No. This was a direct attack on the rule of law. Arpio hasn't even been sentenced yet and he didn't even apply for a pardon. He was found in contempt of court in JULY of 2017 and was set for sentencing in OCTOBER. There is actually a process and guidelines at the DOJ for applying for pardons and 5 years after sentencing is the usual application requirement. Trump is straight up shortcircuiting a live case that is being appealed right now. This is an unprecedented intervention into the judiciary system. Never before have we seen such corruption in the pardon system (except for that Nixon pardon). http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/31/ex-sheriff-joe-arpaio-found-guilty-criminal-contempt.html there is a normal system but this is Trump and there is no "doj system" clause in the constitution. I just don't like that argument. That doesn't excuse his abuse of his office and circumventing the rules set forth. how can this be an abuse when can pardon literally anyone? listen I'm not a fan of the sheriff but this line of argument doesn't cut it. these rules don't have the force of law, at least not over his power as president. and yes you should prob be convicted first but still.
Screw this anti-anti-Trumper nonsense. Speak on the merits. Are you for this or not? Pro-Trump action or Anti-Trump action? No one is alleging that Trump COULDN'T do this, the question is whether he SHOULD. Should Trump have pardoned Apio? Yes XOR No?
I have answered. NO. This is pure political corruption to return a favor to a racist monster (Arpio). And it is further an assault on the judiciary. What good is a finding of contempt of court of the President will simply waive away findings of guilt to protect his friends? This isn't some street criminal who looks reformed in prison. Aprio hasn't even been sentenced and is proud of his abuses and flaunting of the law.
EDIT: further, this is the worst play of identity politics in decades. Trump is trying to show his white base that people who abuse the browns and fight back against the brown tide will be rewarded. Trump's play here is the biggest identity politics play since Obama was black.
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On August 26 2017 09:41 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 09:30 xDaunt wrote:On August 26 2017 09:24 IgnE wrote:so after reading that transcript you came away with: mark lilla falls apart? i just don't see how one can argue that because hillary rodham didn't use exactly the same speech as the SJWs who voted for her that she's not associated with that speech. i mean i honestly think there's a case to be made that democratic candidates' speech is closer to "liberal" identitarian shibboleths than trump's speech is to the white supremacists' hate speech in charlottesville. and yet we have national outcry about trump's essential identity with white supremacist speech. Yep. Everyone who embraces identity politics is a racist. There's a helluva lot more of that among democrats than republicans. if you think seriously about "white privilege" one of its defining characteristics is what i would call its Protean Eidos. white people (men especially) essentially have open the entire range of socially approved subjectivities to inhabit. they can claim nearly anything they want to, be it doctor, teacher, professor, athlete, scientist, lawyer, salesman, whatever, goth, punk, mod, nerd, country boy, preppy, tweed-wearer, whatever. in my view the constant narrowing of identity among certain segments of the left, that comes down to, "you dont understand and you cant understand," and extends to reactionary reappropriation, tends toward "you can be anything you want as long as it matches your skin color and is consistent with who you last slept with." it forsakes the expansive and desirable kind of liberal freedom to (always provisionally) define yourself, and is generally blind to the economic realities that end up overdetermining subjectivities in the first place.
Which is why, as Lilla points out, the left has badly missed the boat by playing identity politics instead arguing economic reality.
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I forgot about this article.
This is from a reporter who knew the sheriff long before trump. The man was a real piece of shit.
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On August 26 2017 09:37 xDaunt wrote:The problem with this storm the is speed with which it developed and intensified. There simply wasn't enough warning and prep time. It's going to be really bad.
When it was first mentioned as a strengthening storm yesterday morning, I remember realizing I'd ignored that hurricanes were a thing to think about.
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On August 26 2017 09:37 xDaunt wrote:The problem with this storm the is speed with which it developed and intensified. There simply wasn't enough warning and prep time. It's going to be really bad.
in my defense re: my prediction harvey wasn't an issue, that was when it was a cat 2 with no signs of really intensifying.
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On August 26 2017 09:42 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 09:32 Introvert wrote:On August 26 2017 09:29 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 26 2017 09:26 Introvert wrote:On August 26 2017 09:24 Wulfey_LA wrote:On August 26 2017 09:20 Introvert wrote:
people were still pushing the Nazi line?
Also rule of law is a meh argument, pretty much everyone who gets a pardon is a law breaker. I think this would be a typical end of term pardon that presidents love, except the sheriff is 85 so he doesn't have time to wait lol. No. This was a direct attack on the rule of law. Arpio hasn't even been sentenced yet and he didn't even apply for a pardon. He was found in contempt of court in JULY of 2017 and was set for sentencing in OCTOBER. There is actually a process and guidelines at the DOJ for applying for pardons and 5 years after sentencing is the usual application requirement. Trump is straight up shortcircuiting a live case that is being appealed right now. This is an unprecedented intervention into the judiciary system. Never before have we seen such corruption in the pardon system (except for that Nixon pardon). http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/31/ex-sheriff-joe-arpaio-found-guilty-criminal-contempt.html there is a normal system but this is Trump and there is no "doj system" clause in the constitution. I just don't like that argument. That doesn't excuse his abuse of his office and circumventing the rules set forth. how can this be an abuse when can pardon literally anyone? listen I'm not a fan of the sheriff but this line of argument doesn't cut it. these rules don't have the force of law, at least not over his power as president. and yes you should prob be convicted first but still. Screw this anti-anti-Trumper nonsense. Speak on the merits. Are you for this or not? Pro-Trump action or Anti-Trump action? No one is alleging that Trump COULDN'T do this, the question is whether he SHOULD. Should Trump have pardoned Apio? Yes XOR No? I have answered. NO. This is pure political corruption to return a favor to a racist monster (Arpio). And it is further an assault on the judiciary. What good is a finding of contempt of court of the President will simply waive away findings of guilt to protect his friends? This isn't some street criminal who looks reformed in prison. Aprio hasn't even been sentenced and is proud of his abuses and flaunting of the law. EDIT: further, this is the worst play of identity politics in decades. Trump is trying to show his white base that people who abuse the browns and fight back against the brown tide will be rewarded. Trump's play here is the biggest identity politics play since Obama was black.
you read too much #nevertrump Twitter.
I haven't looked into the Arpio thing but if the articles are correct then he shouldn't be let off, like most of the controversially pardoned.
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On August 26 2017 09:37 xDaunt wrote:The problem with this storm the is speed with which it developed and intensified. There simply wasn't enough warning and prep time. It's going to be really bad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_hurricane_season
In the Northern Atlantic Ocean, a distinct hurricane season occurs from June 1 to November 30, sharply peaking from late August through September; the season's climatological peak of activity occurs around September 10 each season. If only they could have known.
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On August 26 2017 09:51 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 09:37 xDaunt wrote:The problem with this storm the is speed with which it developed and intensified. There simply wasn't enough warning and prep time. It's going to be really bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_hurricane_seasonShow nested quote + In the Northern Atlantic Ocean, a distinct hurricane season occurs from June 1 to November 30, sharply peaking from late August through September; the season's climatological peak of activity occurs around September 10 each season. If only they could have known.
Pretty much the same in Japan. Typhoon season is approaching and we'd normally be stuck on base drinking all of the beer and water we could find. Mostly beer. You kinda just know when this kind of stuff happens if you live in those areas.
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On August 26 2017 09:51 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 09:37 xDaunt wrote:The problem with this storm the is speed with which it developed and intensified. There simply wasn't enough warning and prep time. It's going to be really bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_hurricane_seasonShow nested quote + In the Northern Atlantic Ocean, a distinct hurricane season occurs from June 1 to November 30, sharply peaking from late August through September; the season's climatological peak of activity occurs around September 10 each season. If only they could have known.
You can't conflate the concept of peak hurricane season with the particularly rapid development a given storm any more than you can conflate weather with climate.
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On August 26 2017 09:30 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 09:24 IgnE wrote:so after reading that transcript you came away with: mark lilla falls apart? i just don't see how one can argue that because hillary rodham didn't use exactly the same speech as the SJWs who voted for her that she's not associated with that speech. i mean i honestly think there's a case to be made that democratic candidates' speech is closer to "liberal" identitarian shibboleths than trump's speech is to the white supremacists' hate speech in charlottesville. and yet we have national outcry about trump's essential identity with white supremacist speech. Yep. Everyone who embraces identity politics is a racist. There's a helluva lot more of that among democrats than republicans.
Read the article instead of flamebaiting for once ?
Also, i don't see where Mark Lilla falls apart. The "interviewer" is proving what Mark is pointing out by every word that gets out of his mouth. From the outside it is really amazing how much the discourse focus on minorities rather than the poor.
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hurricanes are most frequent this time of the year, but its factors like warm water and the particular pressure fronts that cause a hurricane to strengthen or weaken. its more likely that there will be more powerful storms, but not more likely a particular hurricane will suddenly strengthen. people were freaking out over a cat 2 for little reason, then outta nowhere a cat 4 happened. it's like freaking out over a stray cat, and then the cat suddenly is a starved lion and then saying the initial freak out was justified.
this may be more a sign that climate change is really fucking with the hurricane season so the old measures dont work as well anymore.
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On August 26 2017 09:57 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 09:51 KwarK wrote:On August 26 2017 09:37 xDaunt wrote:The problem with this storm the is speed with which it developed and intensified. There simply wasn't enough warning and prep time. It's going to be really bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_hurricane_season In the Northern Atlantic Ocean, a distinct hurricane season occurs from June 1 to November 30, sharply peaking from late August through September; the season's climatological peak of activity occurs around September 10 each season. If only they could have known. You can't conflate the concept of peak hurricane season with the particularly rapid development a given storm any more than you can conflate weather with climate.
How long ago was the hurricane announced? I feel like people were given enough time to prepare and to get provisions.
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On August 26 2017 09:58 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 09:30 xDaunt wrote:On August 26 2017 09:24 IgnE wrote:so after reading that transcript you came away with: mark lilla falls apart? i just don't see how one can argue that because hillary rodham didn't use exactly the same speech as the SJWs who voted for her that she's not associated with that speech. i mean i honestly think there's a case to be made that democratic candidates' speech is closer to "liberal" identitarian shibboleths than trump's speech is to the white supremacists' hate speech in charlottesville. and yet we have national outcry about trump's essential identity with white supremacist speech. Yep. Everyone who embraces identity politics is a racist. There's a helluva lot more of that among democrats than republicans. Read the article instead of flamebaiting for once ? Also, i don't see where Mark Lilla falls apart. The "interviewer" is proving what Mark is pointing out by every word that gets out of his mouth. From the outside it is really amazing how much the discourse focus on minorities rather than the poor.
What do you think is wrong about my statement?
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On August 26 2017 09:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 09:20 Introvert wrote:
people were still pushing the Nazi line?
Also rule of law is a meh argument, pretty much everyone who gets a pardon is a law breaker. I think this would be a typical end of term pardon that presidents love, except the sheriff is 85 so he doesn't have time to wait lol. Previous DOJ attorneys disagreed. The pardon is pure politics likely was not recommended. The president is free to do it, but let's not pretend it's standard or anything but inflammatory.
At this point, it really shouldn't be a surprise when Trump walks all over "guidelines." Either make it something the president can do or can't do. Otherwise, god forbid there's more, you get shits like him that act like 5 year olds and hear "You can do it, but you probably shouldn't." as "Do it pussy, I dare you." and then get left with no recourse.
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