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Since Democrats were the party of the Confederacy during the Civil War, they are hypocrites for opposing pardons for a man who kept brown people in cages and was found in contempt of court. The LEFT started identity politics first, and their constant harassment and white guilt creation forced Trump to try to appeal to the surging white nationalism (which is the left's fault), so it is really Obama who made Trump pardon a guy who didn't even apply for a pardon through official channels. After everything that the hate-the-USA media has done to undermine OUR culture, and OUR heritage, it is time we fight back. Aparaoi FIGHTS. This is Flight 93 here people and it is important that we charge the cockpit door. | ||
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Also rule of law is a meh argument, pretty much everyone who gets a pardon is a law breaker. I think this would be a typical end of term pardon that presidents love, except the sheriff is 85 so he doesn't have time to wait lol. | ||
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On August 26 2017 02:54 Wulfey_LA wrote: Just going to leave this one here for later. Mark Lilla gets pushed on his 'identity politics is killing Democrats' thesis by an interviewer who can remember the basic history of the last 60 years. Lilla completely falls apart. Lilla does his best to try and spin up how community college SJWs are out of control, but gets smacked down when he can't link the CC kids to any Democratic party members. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2017/08/mark_lilla_thinks_identity_politics_are_destroying_the_democratic_party.html so after reading that transcript you came away with: mark lilla falls apart? i just don't see how one can argue that because hillary rodham didn't use exactly the same speech as the SJWs who voted for her that she's not associated with that speech. i mean i honestly think there's a case to be made that democratic candidates' speech is closer to "liberal" identitarian shibboleths than trump's speech is to the white supremacists' hate speech in charlottesville. and yet we have national outcry about trump's essential identity with white supremacist speech. | ||
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On August 26 2017 09:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/TheRealDratch/status/901237154915000321 She understands me. | ||
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On August 26 2017 09:20 Introvert wrote: people were still pushing the Nazi line? Also rule of law is a meh argument, pretty much everyone who gets a pardon is a law breaker. I think this would be a typical end of term pardon that presidents love, except the sheriff is 85 so he doesn't have time to wait lol. No. This was a direct attack on the rule of law. Arpio hasn't even been sentenced yet and he didn't even apply for a pardon. He was found in contempt of court in JULY of 2017 and was set for sentencing in OCTOBER. There is actually a process and guidelines at the DOJ for applying for pardons and 5 years after sentencing is the usual application requirement. Trump is straight up shortcircuiting a live case that is being appealed right now. This is an unprecedented intervention into the judiciary system. Never before have we seen such corruption in the pardon system (except for that Nixon pardon). http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/31/ex-sheriff-joe-arpaio-found-guilty-criminal-contempt.html EDIT: with regards to Lilla, the only positive example he can pony up to defend his case is that HRC listed some groups in some speeches and she didn't explicitly say WHITE AMERICANS. Every time Lilla is pushed for an example of an identity politics surge in actual Democrats that run for election, he retreats and runs back to talking about college kids or white people from the 70s. When confronted that his view of the 'good, raceless' Democratic party era of 1932-1980 was segregated half the time, Lilla responds with fantastical nonsense like: I’m not talking about the reality on the ground. I’m talking about the way we thought about the reality on the ground. The reason we fought in the civil rights movement isn’t because of difference. We fought for equal rights because every citizen, by virtue of being a citizen, deserves to have those rights. For Lilla to be right here, you have to assume the Civil Rights era wasn't about race and didn't cause a huge racial backlash in the 70s. Nothing Lilla says checks out against reality because he refuses to acknowledge the existence of white identity politics. Lilla has to pretend that only non-white identity politics exist to support his arguments. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2017/08/mark_lilla_thinks_identity_politics_are_destroying_the_democratic_party.html | ||
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On August 26 2017 09:24 Wulfey_LA wrote: No. This was a direct attack on the rule of law. Arpio hasn't even been sentenced yet and he didn't even apply for a pardon. He was found in contempt of court in JULY of 2017 and was set for sentencing in OCTOBER. There is actually a process and guidelines at the DOJ for applying for pardons and 5 years after sentencing is the usual application requirement. Trump is straight up shortcircuiting a live case that is being appealed right now. This is an unprecedented intervention into the judiciary system. Never before have we seen such corruption in the pardon system (except for that Nixon pardon). http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/31/ex-sheriff-joe-arpaio-found-guilty-criminal-contempt.html there is a normal system but this is Trump and there is no "doj system" clause in the constitution. I just don't like that argument. | ||
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On August 26 2017 09:20 Introvert wrote: people were still pushing the Nazi line? Also rule of law is a meh argument, pretty much everyone who gets a pardon is a law breaker. I think this would be a typical end of term pardon that presidents love, except the sheriff is 85 so he doesn't have time to wait lol. Previous DOJ attorneys disagreed. The pardon is pure politics likely was not recommended. The president is free to do it, but let's not pretend it's standard or anything but inflammatory. | ||
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On August 26 2017 09:26 Introvert wrote: there is a normal system but this is Trump and there is no "doj system" clause in the constitution. I just don't like that argument. That doesn't excuse his abuse of his office and circumventing the rules set forth. | ||
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On August 26 2017 09:24 IgnE wrote: so after reading that transcript you came away with: mark lilla falls apart? i just don't see how one can argue that because hillary rodham didn't use exactly the same speech as the SJWs who voted for her that she's not associated with that speech. i mean i honestly think there's a case to be made that democratic candidates' speech is closer to "liberal" identitarian shibboleths than trump's speech is to the white supremacists' hate speech in charlottesville. and yet we have national outcry about trump's essential identity with white supremacist speech. Yep. Everyone who embraces identity politics is a racist. There's a helluva lot more of that among democrats than republicans. | ||
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On August 26 2017 09:29 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: That doesn't excuse his abuse of his office and circumventing the rules set forth. how can this be an abuse when can pardon literally anyone? listen I'm not a fan of the sheriff but this line of argument doesn't cut it. these rules don't have the force of law, at least not over his power as president. and yes you should prob be convicted first but still. | ||
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On August 26 2017 09:30 xDaunt wrote: Yep. Everyone who embraces identity politics is a racist. There's a helluva lot more of that among democrats than republicans. Identity politics was literally Trump's program. What legislative efforts are they pushing? Trump will still pretend to repeal Obamacare by 2020 | ||
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