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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15485 Posts
August 26 2017 01:37 GMT
#171141
Gorka out means the last insane racist is Miller, right? And no one else is seeing that the military is straight up blackmailing Trump into submission?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2017 01:40 GMT
#171142
On August 26 2017 10:35 zlefin wrote:
hmm, I wonder what changes should be made to the pardon so it won't be abused as much next time; since we can't guarantee obviously unfit people won't be elected (which you'd really hope would be enough), we'll have to figure out what safeguards are best to put in. nothing obvious strikes me as a way around cases like this.

Amend the constitution.

Easier plan: elect better presidents
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8960 Posts
August 26 2017 01:43 GMT
#171143
On August 26 2017 10:37 Mohdoo wrote:
Gorka out means the last insane racist is Miller, right? And no one else is seeing that the military is straight up blackmailing Trump into submission?

How are they blackmailing trump? I'd say the GOP are the ones holding his feet to the fire and daring him to come up with policy that isn't bat shit insane.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2017 01:53 GMT
#171144


What is real anymore?
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-26 02:01:45
August 26 2017 01:58 GMT
#171145
As someone who has lived almost all their life in Arizona, I felt sick to my stomach when the breaking report about Joe Arpaio came out on NPR. That man caused a lot of damage to my state and I thought he was going to finally be held just a tiny bit responsible.

On August 26 2017 10:53 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/900448573208354818

What is real anymore?


In reaction to your post I said to myself 'unbelievable' but then I had to pause and think if I truly believed that anymore. Anything at this point is in fact, believable.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 26 2017 02:09 GMT
#171146
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 26 2017 02:12 GMT
#171147
well, this arpaio + charlottesville stuff is leading me to up my "how racist is trump" assessment by a bit. I'm going up to a 0.4 I think (previously I had him at 0.3)
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-26 03:25:35
August 26 2017 02:12 GMT
#171148
Someone on twitter (yeah great source) said the Pardon of Joe Arpaio may have opened him up to a bunch of civil suits now that he wouldn't have had to answer to before. Any of our more legally educated friends have insight on that? It's such a bad source (random twitter) I feel stupid asking but at the same time I want something to come from this so I'm hoping to it's true.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 26 2017 02:17 GMT
#171149
On August 26 2017 11:12 crms wrote:
Someone on twitter (yeah great source) said the Pardon of Joe Arpaio may have opened him up to a bunch of civil suits now that he wouldn't have had to answer to before. Any of our more legally educated friends have insight on that? It's such a bad source (random twitter) I feel stupid asking but at the same time I want something to come from this I'm hoping to believe it.

not sure how fast our lawyers will answer;
from my understanding, it wouldn't open him up to more lawsuits, so much as allow them to happen sooner. Civil lawsuits wait for the conclusion of any underlying criminal matter before proceeding (barring settlements of course); so with the pardon, the criminal stuff ends and the civil can go ahead. but any action that would be available with the pardon, would've been available eventually without it, either against the sheriff or his estate.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-26 02:31:14
August 26 2017 02:29 GMT
#171150
You know what's actually sad in the whole story of Trump pardoning that piece of shit?

That it surprised me more that this piece of shit was sentenced (or was going to be), than trump pardoning him. Lets not act like that was surprising.

If you haven't understood by now that you can't put the tiniest amount of stuff in the category of "shit that trump wouldn't dare", you're beyond help. It's actually, and i'm betting that's statistically provable, safer to assume that he'll go with the straight up retarded and politically/morally despicable choice every time one comes up.

edit: as for the people who argue that the media is just biased, and tries to get rid of him: well, you're actually beyond help. If you were a horse, the vet would now reach into the truck bed.
On track to MA1950A.
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-26 02:36:31
August 26 2017 02:33 GMT
#171151
Anti-anti-Trumpers: when you spin for Trump, this is what you spin for:



EDIT: next time you spin for Trump and put up some feeble 'b-b-b-b-but Antifa/Lynch/Lewinski" nonsense, ask yourself what you think about state violence in violation of the constitution.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2017 02:35 GMT
#171152


What the fuck is this shit? How bad do you have to be at everything to light a fucking puppy on fire during a police raid?!?!?!?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 26 2017 02:37 GMT
#171153
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-26 02:42:00
August 26 2017 02:39 GMT
#171154
What the fuck is this shit? How bad do you have to be at everything to light a fucking puppy on fire during a police raid?!?!?!?


I promise you one thing: if i'd watch a "cop" force my 10 months old puppy into an inferno and laugh at me once i break down, i'd end up in jail for life.
On track to MA1950A.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2017 02:43 GMT
#171155
How is this man real? How is he the embodiment of a racist cartoon sheriff and gets pardoned?
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 26 2017 02:54 GMT
#171156
I gotta say, this pardon very well may be the least defensible act yet from the Trump administration. I mostly am just sitting here scratching my head as to why anyone would think this is anything but the worst idea imaginable.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
August 26 2017 02:59 GMT
#171157
On August 26 2017 11:54 LegalLord wrote:
I gotta say, this pardon very well may be the least defensible act yet from the Trump administration. I mostly am just sitting here scratching my head as to why anyone would think this is anything but the worst idea imaginable.


Here's a hint why someone would think this is a good idea:

Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2017 02:59 GMT
#171158
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2017 03:00 GMT
#171159
On August 26 2017 11:59 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 11:54 LegalLord wrote:
I gotta say, this pardon very well may be the least defensible act yet from the Trump administration. I mostly am just sitting here scratching my head as to why anyone would think this is anything but the worst idea imaginable.


Here's a hint why someone would think this is a good idea:

https://twitter.com/KurtSchlichter/status/901258810966200320

He is an embarrassment to the state of Mass and the Red Sox.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 26 2017 03:02 GMT
#171160


Does this kind of AoC thing often happen?
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