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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 25 2017 00:27 GMT
#170901
On August 25 2017 09:17 Plansix wrote:


Don't let people fool you, the way pushing the debt ceiling is a dangerous game. Even more so than with Obama.

More so than with Obama? Now this I gotta see. White man in the office, debt ceiling fight is a more dangerous game.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22548 Posts
August 25 2017 00:31 GMT
#170902
On August 25 2017 09:27 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 09:17 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/900834120393138176

Don't let people fool you, the way pushing the debt ceiling is a dangerous game. Even more so than with Obama.

More so than with Obama? Now this I gotta see. White man in the office, debt ceiling fight is a more dangerous game.

Interesting you would think they were talking about a Black vs White comparison rather then an Intelligent vs Clown show comparison.

hm.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 25 2017 00:31 GMT
#170903
On August 25 2017 09:27 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 09:17 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/900834120393138176

Don't let people fool you, the way pushing the debt ceiling is a dangerous game. Even more so than with Obama.

More so than with Obama? Now this I gotta see. White man in the office, debt ceiling fight is a more dangerous game.

So like, if you read the article like a grownup, it explains why I said that. It isn't even long.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 25 2017 00:33 GMT
#170904
On August 25 2017 09:31 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 09:27 Danglars wrote:
On August 25 2017 09:17 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/900834120393138176

Don't let people fool you, the way pushing the debt ceiling is a dangerous game. Even more so than with Obama.

More so than with Obama? Now this I gotta see. White man in the office, debt ceiling fight is a more dangerous game.

Interesting you would think they were talking about a Black vs White comparison rather then an Intelligent vs Clown show comparison.

hm.

It isn't even that. It's that Republicans control all the WH and congress. If they blow the debt ceiling, it is a clear sign that the current government cannot be relied on to handle the even the most basic things. Like paying their bills.
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Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
August 25 2017 00:34 GMT
#170905
Prediction: this is actually substantially less dangerous than Obama. DJT folds like a stack of cards in the wind on everything. He makes insane demands that make zero tactical sense, and his poor negotiation skills will almost certainly cock up the deal. DJT doesn't know enough about the debt ceiling or congressional funding to know when to push and when to deal. Even if he manages to get the wall funding on the table, he will blow the deadline by pissing on some Republican who grandstands against him. Ryan/McConnell are in no mood to stick their necks out for Trump anymore and after Trump pees on one of their members, Ryan/McConnell will just go with the clean bill 1 day before the deadline.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 25 2017 00:41 GMT
#170906
This is mildly amusing :
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 25 2017 00:55 GMT
#170907
I like how he cut the rest out just, just in case she recovered. Also love the "classic liberal" in that twitter bio. Classic.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-25 01:11:39
August 25 2017 01:09 GMT
#170908
"Classical liberal" the second fastest way to completely discount everything you have to say just barely trailing behind any usage of "Kek" or "Kekistan".
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Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
August 25 2017 01:13 GMT
#170909
Does "classical liberal" mean what I think it does?
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-25 01:21:31
August 25 2017 01:16 GMT
#170910
On August 25 2017 10:13 Nixer wrote:
Does "classical liberal" mean what I think it does?


It's basically just an alias for Libertarian.

If you want to pretend your a liberal while being a conservative that's the code word you use. If you say you're a libertarian people will assume you live in a fantasy world, if you say you're conservative people will assume you're a 70 year old man. But if you go with "Classical Liberal" you get to try and pretend to be a "liberal" without being one at all. It's the Steve Buscemi "Hello my fellow kids" meme of being "liberal".
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 25 2017 01:17 GMT
#170911
On August 25 2017 10:13 Nixer wrote:
Does "classical liberal" mean what I think it does?

Libertarian
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
August 25 2017 01:19 GMT
#170912
Oh alright, thanks.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 25 2017 01:23 GMT
#170913
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-25 01:41:47
August 25 2017 01:41 GMT
#170914
Get ready for a freak out on CNBC and Libertarian's having a wet dream on inflation.

SEATTLE — The era of Whole Paycheck, the derisive nickname for Whole Foods, may be drawing to a close. Amazon, which takes control of the upscale grocer on Monday, intends to slash prices the same day.

The significance of the move goes well beyond the price of organic avocados, baby kale and rotisserie chickens, all of which will cost less on Monday than on Sunday. Rather, it is an outsize way for Jeff Bezos, Amazon’s chief executive, to announce his plan to shake up the grocery industry and take on competitors like Walmart and Kroger.

“This is how Amazon operates,” said Michelle Grant, head of retailing at Euromonitor, a market research firm. “It’s all about speed, speed, speed.”

Mr. Bezos has always been willing to lose money, disappoint shareholders and start discount wars in his efforts to challenge and inflict pain on competitors. In the 23 years that Amazon has been in business, he has done it again and again — with books, diapers and now groceries — fundamentally changing entire retail categories.

“I absolutely think it’s the putting the rest of the market on notice,” Bob Hetu, an analyst at Gartner, the technology research firm, said of Amazon’s announcement on pricing.

Investors drove Kroger shares down more than 8 percent on Thursday; shares of Walmart, the nation’s biggest grocer, fell about 2 percent. Both companies’ shares also fell sharply when the deal was announced in June.

Amazon plans to weave together its online business and physical stores by turning its Prime membership program into a Whole Foods rewards program, providing additional savings to customers. Amazon Prime is a $99-a-year service that gives customers faster free shipping, video streaming and other benefits.

Whole Foods’ private-label products will be available through Amazon’s online services and Amazon lockers that will be installed in some Whole Foods markets. Customers will also be able to return online orders to Amazon through the lockers.

“We’re determined to make healthy and organic food affordable for everyone,” Jeff Wilke, the executive who runs Amazon’s consumer businesses, said on Thursday in an announcement about the changes. “Everybody should be able to eat Whole Foods Market quality.”

Discounts are not the only reason shoppers use Amazon — selection and convenience are others — but Mr. Bezos has never been shy about starting price wars that inflict pain on rivals. In the 1990s, the company tussled with Barnes & Noble to see which could discount books the most. Amazon and Walmart have been in an on-and-off price war in a variety of categories for years.

In its battle with Quidsi, a start-up that owned Diapers.com, Amazon put so much pressure on the company that it eventually agreed to be acquired by Amazon rather than by Walmart.

Ever since Amazon made the surprise announcement in June that it was acquiring Whole Foods for more than $13 billion, competitors have expected it to shake things up at the grocer, which has struggled in the face of competition from Costco, Walmart and others that have wooed customers with a growing selection of organic produce and kitchen staples. (Gabrielle Sulzberger, a private equity executive who is married to Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr., the chairman and publisher of The New York Times, is the chairwoman of Whole Foods.)

Still, the speed with which Amazon completed the acquisition and embarked on a price-cutting campaign is stunning. Amazon completed the purchase in under three months — unusual for a multibillion-dollar transaction. The Federal Trade Commission approved the deal on Wednesday.

Amazon did not say how much it would cut prices in Whole Foods stores, 460 of which are spread across the United States, Canada and Britain. It promised that there would be further cuts in the future. People who have studied Whole Foods’ struggles in the marketplace said the reductions would have to be substantial to compete with other stores.

“I believe what we will see is Amazon and Whole Foods becoming aggressive on price,” said Brittain Ladd, a strategy consultant who previously worked for Amazon on its grocery business. “I won’t be surprised if some prices are lowered 15 percent to as high as 25 percent in some categories.”

Mr. Wilke of Amazon said in his statement that lowering prices would not compromise the quality of products at Whole Foods, the brand’s main selling point. The items the company said it would drop prices on include bananas, butter, crunchy almond butter, organic large brown eggs, responsibly farmed salmon and tilapia and organic Fuji apples.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
August 25 2017 01:48 GMT
#170915
On August 25 2017 10:16 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 10:13 Nixer wrote:
Does "classical liberal" mean what I think it does?


It's basically just an alias for Libertarian.

If you want to pretend your a liberal while being a conservative that's the code word you use. If you say you're a libertarian people will assume you live in a fantasy world, if you say you're conservative people will assume you're a 70 year old man. But if you go with "Classical Liberal" you get to try and pretend to be a "liberal" without being one at all. It's the Steve Buscemi "Hello my fellow kids" meme of being "liberal".


I find it funny how average liberals have been pulled so far left in the past 8-10 years that classical liberals are now considered conservative/libertarian. I don't disagree with you here though but it's been interesting to observe.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-25 01:56:35
August 25 2017 01:53 GMT
#170916
On August 25 2017 10:48 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 10:16 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On August 25 2017 10:13 Nixer wrote:
Does "classical liberal" mean what I think it does?


It's basically just an alias for Libertarian.

If you want to pretend your a liberal while being a conservative that's the code word you use. If you say you're a libertarian people will assume you live in a fantasy world, if you say you're conservative people will assume you're a 70 year old man. But if you go with "Classical Liberal" you get to try and pretend to be a "liberal" without being one at all. It's the Steve Buscemi "Hello my fellow kids" meme of being "liberal".


I find it funny how average liberals have been pulled so far left in the past 8-10 years that classical liberals are now considered conservative/libertarian. I don't disagree with you here though but it's been interesting to observe.

I wouldn't have said that "average liberal" and "classical liberal" mean the same thing (edit: or are even analogous concepts) in this context, so I'm not sure your conclusion follows from your premise.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 25 2017 01:55 GMT
#170917
On August 25 2017 10:48 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 10:16 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On August 25 2017 10:13 Nixer wrote:
Does "classical liberal" mean what I think it does?


It's basically just an alias for Libertarian.

If you want to pretend your a liberal while being a conservative that's the code word you use. If you say you're a libertarian people will assume you live in a fantasy world, if you say you're conservative people will assume you're a 70 year old man. But if you go with "Classical Liberal" you get to try and pretend to be a "liberal" without being one at all. It's the Steve Buscemi "Hello my fellow kids" meme of being "liberal".


I find it funny how average liberals have been pulled so far left in the past 8-10 years that classical liberals are now considered conservative/libertarian. I don't disagree with you here though but it's been interesting to observe.

Nothing to do with drift, it is what they mean. They mean classical liberal in the sense of an 18th century definition. It meant the exact same thing 8-10 years ago too, I remember learning about it in like 2003.



Occasionally they will call themselves Jeffersonian liberals.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-25 02:02:22
August 25 2017 02:01 GMT
#170918
It's like nazi's wanting to be called the "alt right" its just repackaging one thing under a new label. It's plain old libertarianism, nothing special. Libertarians fall on the conservative side here, see Ron/Rand Paul. Though those two fools put their religion above their values so they're wolves in sheep's clothing themselves. But it's just the hip new thing to call yourself because no one takes libertarians seriously, need to throw out some flashy new packaging to disguise it.
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
August 25 2017 02:02 GMT
#170919
On August 25 2017 10:55 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 10:48 LuckyFool wrote:
On August 25 2017 10:16 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On August 25 2017 10:13 Nixer wrote:
Does "classical liberal" mean what I think it does?


It's basically just an alias for Libertarian.

If you want to pretend your a liberal while being a conservative that's the code word you use. If you say you're a libertarian people will assume you live in a fantasy world, if you say you're conservative people will assume you're a 70 year old man. But if you go with "Classical Liberal" you get to try and pretend to be a "liberal" without being one at all. It's the Steve Buscemi "Hello my fellow kids" meme of being "liberal".


I find it funny how average liberals have been pulled so far left in the past 8-10 years that classical liberals are now considered conservative/libertarian. I don't disagree with you here though but it's been interesting to observe.

Nothing to do with drift, it is what they mean. They mean classical liberal in the sense of an 18th century definition. It meant the exact same thing 8-10 years ago too, I remember learning about it in like 2003.



Occasionally they will call themselves Jeffersonian liberals.


Fair enough, I suppose I should clarify and say then it's been interesting to observe the widening gap between classical liberalism and what one would consider to be an average/modern liberal in recent times
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 25 2017 02:10 GMT
#170920
On August 25 2017 11:02 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 10:55 Nevuk wrote:
On August 25 2017 10:48 LuckyFool wrote:
On August 25 2017 10:16 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On August 25 2017 10:13 Nixer wrote:
Does "classical liberal" mean what I think it does?


It's basically just an alias for Libertarian.

If you want to pretend your a liberal while being a conservative that's the code word you use. If you say you're a libertarian people will assume you live in a fantasy world, if you say you're conservative people will assume you're a 70 year old man. But if you go with "Classical Liberal" you get to try and pretend to be a "liberal" without being one at all. It's the Steve Buscemi "Hello my fellow kids" meme of being "liberal".


I find it funny how average liberals have been pulled so far left in the past 8-10 years that classical liberals are now considered conservative/libertarian. I don't disagree with you here though but it's been interesting to observe.

Nothing to do with drift, it is what they mean. They mean classical liberal in the sense of an 18th century definition. It meant the exact same thing 8-10 years ago too, I remember learning about it in like 2003.



Occasionally they will call themselves Jeffersonian liberals.


Fair enough, I suppose I should clarify and say then it's been interesting to observe the widening gap between classical liberalism and what one would consider to be an average/modern liberal in recent times

Anyone can call themselves classic. I'm a classic Republican because I oppose slavery and racism. There is no gap, because there are no fixed points.
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