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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-05 01:54:54
July 05 2017 01:53 GMT
#159961
This is ... odd.




He also entirely scrubbed his post history, though it's obviously not hard for people to find. http://imgur.com/a/hfUAo being a collection of the most sordid ones.
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
July 05 2017 02:02 GMT
#159962
Oh well I guess he's an upstanding netizen now. Wow!!
rageprotosscheesy
Profile Joined June 2017
36 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-05 02:08:05
July 05 2017 02:04 GMT
#159963
He's taken them down and issued an apology because CNN managed to find this guy's Facebook. He's basically doing the old "I'm sorry I got caught, please don't tell my place of employment".

CNN isn't going to release public details of this guy, because he's a private citizen, but obviously that can change if he's still an ass and doesn't get better hobbies than creating racist/anti-semitic/fascist memes.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-05 02:19:38
July 05 2017 02:18 GMT
#159964
On July 05 2017 11:02 Dromar wrote:
Oh well I guess he's an upstanding netizen now. Wow!!


clearly you first need to be called out by the media before you recognise that cheering about killing half a million muslims might be a wrong thing to type into your keyboard. The internet was a mistake
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 05 2017 02:28 GMT
#159965
On July 05 2017 11:18 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2017 11:02 Dromar wrote:
Oh well I guess he's an upstanding netizen now. Wow!!


clearly you first need to be called out by the media before you recognise that cheering about killing half a million muslims might be a wrong thing to type into your keyboard. The internet was a mistake

The internet was fine. Makes like three different flavors of 4chan that are really billion dollar companies was where we fucked up.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
July 05 2017 02:47 GMT
#159966
I actually think it's the anonymity itself. We aren't made for it, it turns us crazy. If we could just magically enforce real names on the internet I wonder what would happen
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
July 05 2017 02:53 GMT
#159967
On July 03 2017 07:40 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 07:30 xDaunt wrote:
On July 03 2017 07:28 Introvert wrote:
On July 03 2017 07:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


This is relevant to what? Is Trump's tweet supposed to be anti-Semitic?

It's just more slander by association and innuendo.


I agree. And it's stupid. People don't check the meme production of people whose memes they retweet to see that they haven't produced offensive memes in the past. While I think it's a completely inconsequential issue (if there's a 0-100 scale of issues of importance and climate change is 100, then 'can retweet offensive stuff without repercussions' is 0.001), a lot of people actually seem to like Trump, and dislike the high horse liberals, because they somewhat consistently look for stuff to be offended by and people want to be able to communicate without being accused of some form of unintended bigotry or offensiveness. It's fair that we should hold the president to a higher standard, of course, but looking through the meme history of this TD contributor just misses the ball completely.

I think when you are the president of the US you should maybe avoid associating your brand with questionable content.

If vetting is too much trouble maybe just dont retweet memes...
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 05 2017 03:08 GMT
#159968
I have to agree. The zero consequences, its all an ironic joke internet only works if the person is a 15 kid with no ability to impact peoples lives. It all falls apart when you are a professional or manager or any modern profession.

Nyxisto: Its funny, because I feel the anonymity of 4chan is what makes it what it is. Reddit and twitter are just two different flavors of the same anonymity. They just tricked everyone into using them before we all figured out they don't moderate their websites.
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TL+ Member
rageprotosscheesy
Profile Joined June 2017
36 Posts
July 05 2017 03:13 GMT
#159969
On July 05 2017 11:47 Nyxisto wrote:
I actually think it's the anonymity itself. We aren't made for it, it turns us crazy. If we could just magically enforce real names on the internet I wonder what would happen


Facebook hasn't changed how people act or react.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 05 2017 03:13 GMT
#159970
Having read comments from places that require facebook accounts, taking away anonymity doesn't really improve it much
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 05 2017 03:20 GMT
#159971
I think a lot of us would also be less willing to share opinions if it were to be tied to our real life personalities. There are things you can say anonymously, and things you can say on the record.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-05 03:24:11
July 05 2017 03:23 GMT
#159972
I think an important feature is actually for people to be responsible for what they say directly, after all we are social creatures. On a small board like TL this is still somewhat intact because there's moderation and the number of posters is small, but on anonymous sites this breaks down.

I think on Facebook this is possible because your comments go under in a large crowd of comments and it doesn't register with people that they are actually speaking publicly.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-05 03:42:28
July 05 2017 03:36 GMT
#159973
Also it is impossible to see someone's entire comment history on facebook. Someone can write some amazingly racist shit that will never appear directly on their facebook page. And I don't think the entire discussion is binary. There are problems that results from the consequence free nature of the internet, and anonymity is part of that. Removing anonymity is not the solution. But I think there is a discussion to be had about reddit and twitter's real commitment to make sure their services have no consequences.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 05 2017 03:40 GMT
#159974
Fuck if I know what part of a Facebook history is searchable at any given moment. They change their functionality thrice a month like every other software company.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 05 2017 03:44 GMT
#159975
Facebook is a fucking nightmare. We should call it by its true name "I'm only here because my whole family is on facebook and making sure they all had my email would be to much effort:"
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-05 03:49:40
July 05 2017 03:49 GMT
#159976
Well, these days that is about the extent of my use case for it. Like most social media, it has a limited useful lifespan. I quickly realized that I don't particularly give many fucks about sharing pictures with random acquaintances. I get the feeling that most people I know feel the same by now.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-05 03:57:06
July 05 2017 03:56 GMT
#159977
Facebook is pretty worthless. Must like reddit and twitter, it is a community space build around communication run by people who have zero interest in moderating that community space. I have always been of the opinion that are much more aware of the abuse, racism and general garbage on their sites that they claim to be. And the only time they will reign it in is when it becomes to much of a PR problem. I think they will be in for a rude awaking in the next 5-10 years, especially with the EU.

Edit: don't count on it. Most older people I know use facebook and have no plans of leaving. And those people vote.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
July 05 2017 03:57 GMT
#159978
On July 05 2017 11:53 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
If vetting is too much trouble maybe just dont retweet memes...


The idea that agreeing with one thing a guy said means being held responsible for everything that guy said seems facially absurd. What am I missing?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-05 04:05:52
July 05 2017 04:04 GMT
#159979
On July 05 2017 12:57 Buckyman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2017 11:53 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
If vetting is too much trouble maybe just dont retweet memes...


The idea that agreeing with one thing a guy said means being held responsible for everything that guy said seems facially absurd. What am I missing?

People 100% believe that. If the President retweets a quote from a white supremacist, they see it as a code that the president is one of them. He might deny it and say he just liked the tweet, but disagrees with everything else. But that doesn't matter, the racists will already "know"the President is just doing that because the media forces them too. That is how people work. There are consequences for speech at all times and whom you decide to quote.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-05 04:10:26
July 05 2017 04:09 GMT
#159980


In other news, saw this coming. As the digital space becomes less secure at state actors get more aggressive, I except quite a few industries to move back to physical records. And as someone still demands physical invoices all services I purchase, I'm ok with that.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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