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chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
694 Posts
July 05 2017 13:38 GMT
#160001
To me it seems like a petty disclosure to make themselves feel good about themselves. If the guy does it again, gets retweeted by the President, and they release information, that would just be news and they would be doing their job. It's only natural that such a disclosure would make CNN look more like bullies threatening to sic a mob on this random anon.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5958 Posts
July 05 2017 13:47 GMT
#160002
Anyone who's ever said anything should be doubting this move.

CNN would be upset that they don't have the capacity to punish the president so they're projecting it on a private citizen in a way that's maybe also illegal. It's not about any actual e-Nazi or alt-right background, that's merely a convenient excuse, otherwise the media would be out policing the speech of thousands or millions of people instead of the odd individual like this (and that would be even more terrifying). It's about continuing a story, business, at the expense of blackmailing or destroying a private citizen (like other cases of this) for either completely innocuous or otherwise none-of-your-business speech. Essentially scapegoating someone for the crime of being retweeted by a president you don't like.

They didn't "reform" anyone with a coerced apology, it's all just bullshit.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12420 Posts
July 05 2017 13:55 GMT
#160003
2017, the year where we bring up "policing speech" in the context of the right to remain anonymous while you create racist memes that get national attention.
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RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
July 05 2017 13:55 GMT
#160004
On July 05 2017 22:38 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2017 22:22 Plansix wrote:
On July 05 2017 22:09 JinDesu wrote:
On July 05 2017 22:02 Plansix wrote:
How terrible that his actions have consequences. And CNN is so evil since they decided to withhold his real name and personal information after he apologized. Which is nice of them considering the amount of racist poop he posted all over reddit. We all should hope to be lucky enough to get a second chance after screwing up as bad as this kid.


If they didn't say they might release his info pending his future actions, then it might have been ok. But for CNN to put in print - "CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change." - is completely wrong in my opinion. That is not the right way, and CNN should have never gone to that extent.

CNN is under no obligation to protect him from his own writings on reddit. They stated that they did not intent to release his information, but reserved the right to do so in the future. I don’t feel bad for him at all. It is easy to forget that less than a month ago someone tried to murder a bunch of congress members. So I do not blame CNN for making it clear they didn’t see that meme as a joke.


This, in my opinion, is wrong. For a large corporation to hold hostage my personal info and give me a veiled threat that it can be released if I don't comply - that's wrong. If his info was exposed by someone, or if reddit detectives posted his info, so be it. If CNN told him about it but did not make the threat, fine. But that threat - that is wrong to me.


Yeah shame on CNN for bullying a kid.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 05 2017 13:56 GMT
#160005
I don’t think they believed it was reformed. They wrote the story and found him because they wanted to talk to him about why he made the gif. The rest of the world looked up his reddit history while that was going on. Once CNN found him, the guy realized the rest of the world could too and purged his reddit history. CNN then decided not to publish who he was after he apologized. But right up until CNN found him, this guy didn’t mind all the attention the retweet got him.

A bit part of the story was that it was pretty simple for CNN to find this person who believed he was operating anonymously. If CNN didn’t track this guy down, someone else would have. But I do like the emerging narrative that CNN is a big bully for figuring out who this person was. It is very typical of the internet to claim anyone trying to strip away the ability to operate anonymously is bullying through public shaming.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22158 Posts
July 05 2017 13:56 GMT
#160006
What has CNN done actually?

Threatened to release his personal info if he does something? That's entirely wrong for obvious reasons.
Did they release an internet mob on him? Or did 'the internet' do its usual thing and track him down and harass him on their own?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 05 2017 13:57 GMT
#160007
People keep referring to the person as a "kid"; what do people mean by that? A minor? a legal adult who's still kinda young (18-20)?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 05 2017 14:00 GMT
#160008
On July 05 2017 21:41 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Continue your slow fade to irrelevance with a little more dignity CNN.


You mean their explosive rise to record profits, fueled on purpose by Donald Trump?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 05 2017 14:00 GMT
#160009
On July 05 2017 22:56 Gorsameth wrote:
What has CNN done actually?

Threatened to release his personal info if he does something? That's entirely wrong for obvious reasons.
Did they release an internet mob on him? Or did 'the internet' do its usual thing and track him down and harass him on their own?

As far as I know, the internet tracked down his reddit account after he took credit for the .gif. Then a couple days later CNN found out who he was and tried to contact him. He purged his account after that and apologized. CNN then spoke with him and decided not to publish his name, but said they may do so in the future if he decides to change his story or something.
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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
July 05 2017 14:04 GMT
#160010
On July 05 2017 22:57 zlefin wrote:
People keep referring to the person as a "kid"; what do people mean by that? A minor? a legal adult who's still kinda young (18-20)?


I'm going to give you the answer, but as you have decided I'm a shitposter read it at your own peril

+ Show Spoiler +
It was initially rumoured that he was 15 years old. According to CNN journalists this is wrong and he is in fact a middle-aged man
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22158 Posts
July 05 2017 14:05 GMT
#160011
On July 05 2017 23:00 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2017 22:56 Gorsameth wrote:
What has CNN done actually?

Threatened to release his personal info if he does something? That's entirely wrong for obvious reasons.
Did they release an internet mob on him? Or did 'the internet' do its usual thing and track him down and harass him on their own?

As far as I know, the internet tracked down his reddit account after he took credit for the .gif. Then a couple days later CNN found out who he was and tried to contact him. He purged his account after that and apologized. CNN then spoke with him and decided not to publish his name, but said they may do so in the future if he decides to change his story or something.

See, that last bit is the troubling part.
Thats basically threatening to sic an internet mob on someone and thats not ok.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 05 2017 14:10 GMT
#160012
Long-lost court documents detailing President Trump’s alleged use of undocumented labor to pave the way for Trump Tower have been found — and could soon be unsealed.

The transcript and court brief were part of a lawsuit filed in 1983 by a union worker alleging that Trump — long before he moved into the White House — exploited undocumented Polish workers who demolished the building where Trump Tower now stands.

The transcript and brief, which detail the terms of a confidential 1998 settlement ending the case before it went to trial, were thought to have been lost.

But last week Lewis Steel, a lawyer on the long-dormant case, wrote Manhattan Federal Judge Loretta Preska that his colleague Wendy Sloan had found the papers. “She has the missing transcript and brief,” Steel wrote. “Ms. Sloan informs me that at all times these documents have remained in her possession and that she kept them confidential.”

Sloan, who was also an attorney on the case, is no longer practicing law.

Time magazine and the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press had sought the release of the papers.

Last month, the 2nd Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals overturned an earlier order keeping documents in the case secret.

“Certain types of documents should be publicly available,” the three-judge panel wrote.

The seven-page order revealed that some of the paperwork that would be most illuminating was thought lost. “Two of the documents the press organizations seek — the transcript and the brief — have been destroyed pursuant to the Southern District of New York’s standard document retention policies,” the order read.

Steel and Sloan then did a search of their files and discovered the paperwork. “We know of no privacy reason why these documents should not be unsealed,” Steel wrote.

A lower court judge must officially unseal the documents before they can be made public.

Last year, Time published an article, “What Donald Trump Knew About Undocumented Workers at His Signature Tower,” that cited documents from the case alleging that Trump was well aware that the Polish workers were complaining of unsafe conditions at the job site and unfair wages.

Workers even charged that Trump had threatened to call the Immigration and Naturalization Service and have them deported as the fight heated up.

Trump has long denied knowingly using undocumented workers on the job.

“I hire a contractor. The contractor then hires the subcontractor,” he said during last year’s presidential campaign. “They have people. I don’t know. I don't remember, that was so many years ago, 35 years ago.”

A cornerstone of Trump’s “America First” presidential campaign was a vilification of undocumented immigrants.


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bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
July 05 2017 14:12 GMT
#160013
Story is black and white. Huge corporation threatening to release personal information of some randomer on the internet because he made a meme they don't like. And they mock Trump for reacting badly to criticism. Hard to put into words just how pathetic this is.
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-05 14:35:44
July 05 2017 14:16 GMT
#160014
Ultimately, this whole thing seems stupid. But I guess this is the United States now.

My initial reaction is that they should have just published his name. I'm a big believer in people taking responsibility for their words and actions.

If CNN said they reserve the right to publish his name at a later date, that's fine. They're just explicitly preserving their rights. If they said they reserve the right to publish his name in the future "if he decides to change his story or something," that's inappropriate, and coercion.

I'm somewhat frustrated by the thought that none of this would even be in the spotlight if not for our shitposter in chief. All this stupid drama is totally unnecessary.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 05 2017 14:16 GMT
#160015
i like to come here to see how rightwingers spin stuff like this. it is very interesting, to say the least.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-05 14:21:35
July 05 2017 14:18 GMT
#160016
On July 05 2017 23:05 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2017 23:00 Plansix wrote:
On July 05 2017 22:56 Gorsameth wrote:
What has CNN done actually?

Threatened to release his personal info if he does something? That's entirely wrong for obvious reasons.
Did they release an internet mob on him? Or did 'the internet' do its usual thing and track him down and harass him on their own?

As far as I know, the internet tracked down his reddit account after he took credit for the .gif. Then a couple days later CNN found out who he was and tried to contact him. He purged his account after that and apologized. CNN then spoke with him and decided not to publish his name, but said they may do so in the future if he decides to change his story or something.

See, that last bit is the troubling part.
Thats basically threatening to sic an internet mob on someone and thats not ok.

Why should they protect him indefinitely without some assurance from him? Should they not be able to say publicly that they can change their mind? He made the .gif and celebrated when it was retweeted by the president. A .gif of CNN being assaulted by the president in an already hostile environment. He made that reddit account and posted all that racist garbage. Is CNN responsible to withhold his name and information forever just to protect him from the consequences of what he wrote? They could have just published his name and moved on. No one would have thought differently. Or waited until another outlet found him and let them report on him.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-05 14:26:00
July 05 2017 14:20 GMT
#160017
How is his name in any shape or form newsworthy?

EDIT: As in: What does it add to the (non-)story of Trump retweeting a gif of him beating up a poorly shopped CNN-logo?
EDIT2: Also why didn't they simply write "The man who wishes to remain anonymous but is known as >insert handle< had this to say when CNN reached him for comment: >insert comment<. The man's identity is known to CNN" as is the standard phrasing in cases such as these.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-05 14:28:26
July 05 2017 14:26 GMT
#160018
The president of the United States used a piece of “art” he created. If Trump had posted a painting of him stepping on CNN reporters in some triumphant fashion, news agencies would have tracked down the artist for an interview. All of the president’s public statements and what makes them are news worthy.

Edit:I think CNN reported on how they found him to highlight how easily he was found. It sounds like it took a couple facebook searches and reviewing his posts.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-05 14:26:51
July 05 2017 14:26 GMT
#160019
Now here's a fascinating example of unintended consequences:

A dearth of marriagable men has left an “oversupply” of educated women taking desperate steps to preserve their fertility, experts say.

The first global study into egg freezing found that shortages of eligible men were the prime reason why women had attempted to take matters into their own hands.

Experts said “terrifying” demographic shifts had created a “deficit” of educated men and a growing problem of “leftover” professional women, with female graduates vastly outnumbering males in in many countries.

The study led by Yale University, involved interviews with 150 women undergoing egg freezing at eight clinics.

Researchers found that in more than 90 per cent of cases, the women were attempting to buy extra time because they could not find a partner to settle down with, amid a “dearth of educated men”.

Experts said the research bust the myth that “selfish career women” were choosing to out their fertility on ice in a bid to put their careers first.

They said sweeping social changes meant that many professional women now struggled to find a partner that felt like an equal match.

....

The anthropologist suggested some women might need to be prepared to compromise some of their standards in order to find love. But she suggested society should act to increase the number of men going into higher education.

“It may be about rethinking the way we approach this,” she said.

“Most women who are educated would like to have an educated partner. Traditionally women have also wanted to ‘marry up’ to go for someone more successful, financially well off.”

“Maybe women need to be prepared to be more open to the idea of a relationship with someone not as educated. But also may be we need to be doing something about our boys and young men, to get them off to a better start.”

Some women were paying a high price for feminism, she suggested.

“As a feminist I think it’s great that women are doing so well but I think there has been a cost that has been paid,” she said, warning that many had been left in “sadness and isolation”.

In some cases, the women taking part in the in-depth interviews said they would be happy to be in a relationship with someone less educated, but they felt they were “intimidating” to the men who were available.


Source.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 05 2017 14:27 GMT
#160020
I really hope someone at CNN is held responsible for this, they did commit a crime by coercing and intimidating the person. All they had to do was publish his name and move on, it would have been an extreme dick move, but not illegal
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