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On June 30 2017 03:10 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Having [pick your favorite 'famous' e-sports BMer] as president is just the funniest thing ever.
The graken for president?
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Nah, no one would follow him.
Well, the retards that follow trump maybe would....
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On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past
the way by which autocrats operate: move the goalpost a single bit every day and make palatable what could not be said yesterday. This is exactly the kind of mental exhaustion that people like Trump are going for when they bombard you with this stuff. Do you notice that even you, who I assume doesn't like Trump, now grudgingly accepts something that could not have been part of political discourse even three years ago?
You ought to combat that process or else you're going to end up with Erdogan style politics sooner than later
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On June 30 2017 03:18 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past the way by which autocrats operate: move the goalpost a single bit every day and make palatable what could not be said yesterday. This is exactly the kind of mental exhaustion that people like Trump are going for when they bombard you with this stuff. Do you notice that even you, who I assume doesn't like Trump, now grudgingly accepts something that could not have been part of political discourse even three years ago? You ought to combat that process or else you're going to end up with Erdogan style politics sooner than later
Eh, I dislike Trump as much as most people. But it really isn't a surprise to me. It is far more surprising to see that members of the GOP are willing to blast him for any reason. It is more my cynicism about their party on display here than letting Trump normalize his behavior.
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On June 30 2017 03:12 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 03:10 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Having [pick your favorite 'famous' e-sports BMer] as president is just the funniest thing ever. The graken for president?
I dunno about that, but the current guy's balance whine is pretty legendary
MEDIA OP
NERF CNN
NYT STREAM SNIPES ME FOR VIEWS
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On June 30 2017 03:18 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past the way by which autocrats operate: move the goalpost a single bit every day and make palatable what could not be said yesterday. This is exactly the kind of mental exhaustion that people like Trump are going for when they bombard you with this stuff. Do you notice that even you, who I assume doesn't like Trump, now grudgingly accepts something that could not have been part of political discourse even three years ago? You ought to combat that process or else you're going to end up with Erdogan style politics sooner than later
For some it works like that. Not for Trump. he simply does it because his ego will not allowed him to be criticized so he needs to lash out anyone who does and belittle them to make himself feel better.
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On June 30 2017 03:44 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 03:18 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past the way by which autocrats operate: move the goalpost a single bit every day and make palatable what could not be said yesterday. This is exactly the kind of mental exhaustion that people like Trump are going for when they bombard you with this stuff. Do you notice that even you, who I assume doesn't like Trump, now grudgingly accepts something that could not have been part of political discourse even three years ago? You ought to combat that process or else you're going to end up with Erdogan style politics sooner than later For some it works like that. Not for Trump. he simply does it because his ego will not allowed him to be criticized so he needs to lash out anyone who does and belittle them to make himself feel better.
Yup. If one of Trump's aides referred him to this thread we would see a tweet about "loser gamer nerds on the internet" within a few hours. He's just that thin-skinned.
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On June 30 2017 04:04 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 03:44 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2017 03:18 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past the way by which autocrats operate: move the goalpost a single bit every day and make palatable what could not be said yesterday. This is exactly the kind of mental exhaustion that people like Trump are going for when they bombard you with this stuff. Do you notice that even you, who I assume doesn't like Trump, now grudgingly accepts something that could not have been part of political discourse even three years ago? You ought to combat that process or else you're going to end up with Erdogan style politics sooner than later For some it works like that. Not for Trump. he simply does it because his ego will not allowed him to be criticized so he needs to lash out anyone who does and belittle them to make himself feel better. Yup. If one of Trump's aides referred him to this thread we would see a tweet about "loser gamer nerds on the internet" within a few hours. He's just that thin-skinned.
We're just a bunch of 400 pound losers living in our mothers' basements. SAD!
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On June 30 2017 04:06 Dromar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 04:04 TheTenthDoc wrote:On June 30 2017 03:44 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2017 03:18 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past the way by which autocrats operate: move the goalpost a single bit every day and make palatable what could not be said yesterday. This is exactly the kind of mental exhaustion that people like Trump are going for when they bombard you with this stuff. Do you notice that even you, who I assume doesn't like Trump, now grudgingly accepts something that could not have been part of political discourse even three years ago? You ought to combat that process or else you're going to end up with Erdogan style politics sooner than later For some it works like that. Not for Trump. he simply does it because his ego will not allowed him to be criticized so he needs to lash out anyone who does and belittle them to make himself feel better. Yup. If one of Trump's aides referred him to this thread we would see a tweet about "loser gamer nerds on the internet" within a few hours. He's just that thin-skinned. We're just a bunch of 400 pound losers living in our mothers' basements. SAD!
"Only low energy losers play Terran! Sad!" "Low IQ Zerg players expand too much. You're main isn't covfefe!" Etc.
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On June 30 2017 03:44 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 03:18 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past the way by which autocrats operate: move the goalpost a single bit every day and make palatable what could not be said yesterday. This is exactly the kind of mental exhaustion that people like Trump are going for when they bombard you with this stuff. Do you notice that even you, who I assume doesn't like Trump, now grudgingly accepts something that could not have been part of political discourse even three years ago? You ought to combat that process or else you're going to end up with Erdogan style politics sooner than later For some it works like that. Not for Trump. he simply does it because his ego will not allowed him to be criticized so he needs to lash out anyone who does and belittle them to make himself feel better.
I would agree that Trump is more of a reflection of that process rather than conscious about it, but that doesn't make it less effective. By breaking taboo after taboo people like him take the political culture and process apart. Doesn't really matter in the end if Trump is just complicit in it or whether it's Steve Bannon or a lot of people at the base.
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I would not object to a president who bashes Terran very frequently.
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On June 30 2017 04:47 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 03:44 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2017 03:18 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past the way by which autocrats operate: move the goalpost a single bit every day and make palatable what could not be said yesterday. This is exactly the kind of mental exhaustion that people like Trump are going for when they bombard you with this stuff. Do you notice that even you, who I assume doesn't like Trump, now grudgingly accepts something that could not have been part of political discourse even three years ago? You ought to combat that process or else you're going to end up with Erdogan style politics sooner than later For some it works like that. Not for Trump. he simply does it because his ego will not allowed him to be criticized so he needs to lash out anyone who does and belittle them to make himself feel better. I would agree that Trump is more of a reflection of that process rather than conscious about it, but that doesn't make it less effective. By breaking taboo after taboo people like him take the political culture and process apart. Doesn't really matter in the end if Trump is just complicit in it or whether it's Steve Bannon or a lot of people at the base.
I mean, he already broke all the rules about tax returns, corporate holdings, presidential budget...
If he doesn't face any repercussions for the things he does, your political system is completely fucked from here on out. Trump himself doesn't have the brains to do anything with the lack of controls, but every future President and Presidential candidate will know that the checks and balances are entirely lip service.
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On June 30 2017 05:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 04:47 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 03:44 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2017 03:18 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past the way by which autocrats operate: move the goalpost a single bit every day and make palatable what could not be said yesterday. This is exactly the kind of mental exhaustion that people like Trump are going for when they bombard you with this stuff. Do you notice that even you, who I assume doesn't like Trump, now grudgingly accepts something that could not have been part of political discourse even three years ago? You ought to combat that process or else you're going to end up with Erdogan style politics sooner than later For some it works like that. Not for Trump. he simply does it because his ego will not allowed him to be criticized so he needs to lash out anyone who does and belittle them to make himself feel better. I would agree that Trump is more of a reflection of that process rather than conscious about it, but that doesn't make it less effective. By breaking taboo after taboo people like him take the political culture and process apart. Doesn't really matter in the end if Trump is just complicit in it or whether it's Steve Bannon or a lot of people at the base. I mean, he already broke all the rules about tax returns, corporate holdings, presidential budget... If he doesn't face any repercussions for the things he does, your political system is completely fucked from here on out. Trump himself doesn't have the brains to do anything with the lack of controls, but every future President and Presidential candidate will know that the checks and balances are entirely lip service.
Part of me hopes that as soon as Trump is gone the next President (a Democrat most likely) will institute a sweep reform of Presidential conflict of interest regulation.
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On June 30 2017 05:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 04:47 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 03:44 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2017 03:18 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past the way by which autocrats operate: move the goalpost a single bit every day and make palatable what could not be said yesterday. This is exactly the kind of mental exhaustion that people like Trump are going for when they bombard you with this stuff. Do you notice that even you, who I assume doesn't like Trump, now grudgingly accepts something that could not have been part of political discourse even three years ago? You ought to combat that process or else you're going to end up with Erdogan style politics sooner than later For some it works like that. Not for Trump. he simply does it because his ego will not allowed him to be criticized so he needs to lash out anyone who does and belittle them to make himself feel better. I would agree that Trump is more of a reflection of that process rather than conscious about it, but that doesn't make it less effective. By breaking taboo after taboo people like him take the political culture and process apart. Doesn't really matter in the end if Trump is just complicit in it or whether it's Steve Bannon or a lot of people at the base. I mean, he already broke all the rules about tax returns, corporate holdings, presidential budget... If he doesn't face any repercussions for the things he does, your political system is completely fucked from here on out. Trump himself doesn't have the brains to do anything with the lack of controls, but every future President and Presidential candidate will know that the checks and balances are entirely lip service.
the typical way it works; is someone violated the norms a bunch; then after they've left office, plus maybe 10-20 years if there's a lot of politics involved; new rules are put in to prevent such violations.
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Many political conventions exist for reason. They didn’t arise in a vacuum. Trump breaking might seem acceptable when viewed from a business perspective. Being disruptive and thinking outside the box is seen as meritorious in the business world. But this isn’t the business world. The President is the leader of our armed service and chief diplomat. In this thread we view him with a bemused detachment or disgust. But there are people in this country who take as seriously as I took Obama. But Obama never called Fox news the enemy of American people.
On June 30 2017 05:08 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 05:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 30 2017 04:47 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 03:44 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2017 03:18 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past the way by which autocrats operate: move the goalpost a single bit every day and make palatable what could not be said yesterday. This is exactly the kind of mental exhaustion that people like Trump are going for when they bombard you with this stuff. Do you notice that even you, who I assume doesn't like Trump, now grudgingly accepts something that could not have been part of political discourse even three years ago? You ought to combat that process or else you're going to end up with Erdogan style politics sooner than later For some it works like that. Not for Trump. he simply does it because his ego will not allowed him to be criticized so he needs to lash out anyone who does and belittle them to make himself feel better. I would agree that Trump is more of a reflection of that process rather than conscious about it, but that doesn't make it less effective. By breaking taboo after taboo people like him take the political culture and process apart. Doesn't really matter in the end if Trump is just complicit in it or whether it's Steve Bannon or a lot of people at the base. I mean, he already broke all the rules about tax returns, corporate holdings, presidential budget... If he doesn't face any repercussions for the things he does, your political system is completely fucked from here on out. Trump himself doesn't have the brains to do anything with the lack of controls, but every future President and Presidential candidate will know that the checks and balances are entirely lip service. Part of me hopes that as soon as Trump is gone the next President (a Democrat most likely) will institute a sweep reform of Presidential conflict of interest regulation.
There isn’t a lot they can do on that front. Once the president is in office, it is hard to force them to do anything. But they could change election laws to force disclosures that were previously done through tradition.
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On June 30 2017 05:10 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 05:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 30 2017 04:47 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 03:44 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2017 03:18 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past the way by which autocrats operate: move the goalpost a single bit every day and make palatable what could not be said yesterday. This is exactly the kind of mental exhaustion that people like Trump are going for when they bombard you with this stuff. Do you notice that even you, who I assume doesn't like Trump, now grudgingly accepts something that could not have been part of political discourse even three years ago? You ought to combat that process or else you're going to end up with Erdogan style politics sooner than later For some it works like that. Not for Trump. he simply does it because his ego will not allowed him to be criticized so he needs to lash out anyone who does and belittle them to make himself feel better. I would agree that Trump is more of a reflection of that process rather than conscious about it, but that doesn't make it less effective. By breaking taboo after taboo people like him take the political culture and process apart. Doesn't really matter in the end if Trump is just complicit in it or whether it's Steve Bannon or a lot of people at the base. I mean, he already broke all the rules about tax returns, corporate holdings, presidential budget... If he doesn't face any repercussions for the things he does, your political system is completely fucked from here on out. Trump himself doesn't have the brains to do anything with the lack of controls, but every future President and Presidential candidate will know that the checks and balances are entirely lip service. the typical way it works; is someone violated the norms a bunch; then after they've left office, plus maybe 10-20 years if there's a lot of politics involved; new rules are put in to prevent such violations.
But aren't things like corporate holdings already rules?
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On June 30 2017 05:19 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 05:10 zlefin wrote:On June 30 2017 05:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 30 2017 04:47 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 03:44 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2017 03:18 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past the way by which autocrats operate: move the goalpost a single bit every day and make palatable what could not be said yesterday. This is exactly the kind of mental exhaustion that people like Trump are going for when they bombard you with this stuff. Do you notice that even you, who I assume doesn't like Trump, now grudgingly accepts something that could not have been part of political discourse even three years ago? You ought to combat that process or else you're going to end up with Erdogan style politics sooner than later For some it works like that. Not for Trump. he simply does it because his ego will not allowed him to be criticized so he needs to lash out anyone who does and belittle them to make himself feel better. I would agree that Trump is more of a reflection of that process rather than conscious about it, but that doesn't make it less effective. By breaking taboo after taboo people like him take the political culture and process apart. Doesn't really matter in the end if Trump is just complicit in it or whether it's Steve Bannon or a lot of people at the base. I mean, he already broke all the rules about tax returns, corporate holdings, presidential budget... If he doesn't face any repercussions for the things he does, your political system is completely fucked from here on out. Trump himself doesn't have the brains to do anything with the lack of controls, but every future President and Presidential candidate will know that the checks and balances are entirely lip service. the typical way it works; is someone violated the norms a bunch; then after they've left office, plus maybe 10-20 years if there's a lot of politics involved; new rules are put in to prevent such violations. But aren't things like corporate holdings already rules?
There are rules for the Presidents cabinet. Not the President himself. Its just that previously every other President held himself to the same standard out of common decency..
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On June 30 2017 05:20 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 05:19 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 30 2017 05:10 zlefin wrote:On June 30 2017 05:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 30 2017 04:47 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 03:44 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2017 03:18 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past the way by which autocrats operate: move the goalpost a single bit every day and make palatable what could not be said yesterday. This is exactly the kind of mental exhaustion that people like Trump are going for when they bombard you with this stuff. Do you notice that even you, who I assume doesn't like Trump, now grudgingly accepts something that could not have been part of political discourse even three years ago? You ought to combat that process or else you're going to end up with Erdogan style politics sooner than later For some it works like that. Not for Trump. he simply does it because his ego will not allowed him to be criticized so he needs to lash out anyone who does and belittle them to make himself feel better. I would agree that Trump is more of a reflection of that process rather than conscious about it, but that doesn't make it less effective. By breaking taboo after taboo people like him take the political culture and process apart. Doesn't really matter in the end if Trump is just complicit in it or whether it's Steve Bannon or a lot of people at the base. I mean, he already broke all the rules about tax returns, corporate holdings, presidential budget... If he doesn't face any repercussions for the things he does, your political system is completely fucked from here on out. Trump himself doesn't have the brains to do anything with the lack of controls, but every future President and Presidential candidate will know that the checks and balances are entirely lip service. the typical way it works; is someone violated the norms a bunch; then after they've left office, plus maybe 10-20 years if there's a lot of politics involved; new rules are put in to prevent such violations. But aren't things like corporate holdings already rules? There are rules for the Presidents cabinet. Not the President himself. Its just that previously every other President held himself to the same standard out of common sense.
But congress will have to enforce those laws and investigate violations. Any president that is elected will likely have a majority in congress of the same party.
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On June 30 2017 05:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 05:20 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2017 05:19 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 30 2017 05:10 zlefin wrote:On June 30 2017 05:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 30 2017 04:47 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 03:44 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2017 03:18 Nyxisto wrote:On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past the way by which autocrats operate: move the goalpost a single bit every day and make palatable what could not be said yesterday. This is exactly the kind of mental exhaustion that people like Trump are going for when they bombard you with this stuff. Do you notice that even you, who I assume doesn't like Trump, now grudgingly accepts something that could not have been part of political discourse even three years ago? You ought to combat that process or else you're going to end up with Erdogan style politics sooner than later For some it works like that. Not for Trump. he simply does it because his ego will not allowed him to be criticized so he needs to lash out anyone who does and belittle them to make himself feel better. I would agree that Trump is more of a reflection of that process rather than conscious about it, but that doesn't make it less effective. By breaking taboo after taboo people like him take the political culture and process apart. Doesn't really matter in the end if Trump is just complicit in it or whether it's Steve Bannon or a lot of people at the base. I mean, he already broke all the rules about tax returns, corporate holdings, presidential budget... If he doesn't face any repercussions for the things he does, your political system is completely fucked from here on out. Trump himself doesn't have the brains to do anything with the lack of controls, but every future President and Presidential candidate will know that the checks and balances are entirely lip service. the typical way it works; is someone violated the norms a bunch; then after they've left office, plus maybe 10-20 years if there's a lot of politics involved; new rules are put in to prevent such violations. But aren't things like corporate holdings already rules? There are rules for the Presidents cabinet. Not the President himself. Its just that previously every other President held himself to the same standard out of common sense. But congress will have to enforce those laws and investigate violations. Any president that is elected will likely have a majority in congress of the same party.
Then the obviously solution is to not leave it up to Congress?
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