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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 14:23:17
June 29 2017 14:22 GMT
#159281


That was quick.



Related.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
June 29 2017 14:22 GMT
#159282
On June 29 2017 23:11 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2017 23:03 Gahlo wrote:
On June 29 2017 23:01 Gorsameth wrote:
On June 29 2017 22:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

I doubt a simple money bribe is going to bring them over to vote for it. I call BS on that one.

I mean, isn't that was lobbying basically is?

lobbying bribes work for less obvious things like industrial regulations, things where the voters don't directly notice it. I don't see it working when your directly destroying peoples healthcare.

I mean this is how Fox News spins people getting in trouble from lack of healthcare

'Why is Sanders focusing on these people in need of help instead of his own legal issues'
'look at these democrats get all riled up and minor issues like people having access to healthcare haha what drama queens'
'Everyone dies. Unless you are psychic or have a line to heaven you can't know when people die'

People will believe shit like this...

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silverstoneft02wc
Profile Joined June 2017
5 Posts
June 29 2017 14:23 GMT
#159283
Cruz is so close yet so far from understanding how to provide better health care for Americans.

[image loading]
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 29 2017 14:47 GMT
#159284
One thing I hate is how much Trump's existence empowers the other dregs of our government, Lindsey Graham among them. Any other president and no one would ever give him the time of day - but since it's Trump, anything goes as long as it opposes Trump.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9644 Posts
June 29 2017 14:55 GMT
#159285
On June 29 2017 23:47 LegalLord wrote:
One thing I hate is how much Trump's existence empowers the other dregs of our government, Lindsey Graham among them. Any other president and no one would ever give him the time of day - but since it's Trump, anything goes as long as it opposes Trump.

cannot agree enough.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
June 29 2017 14:56 GMT
#159286
On June 29 2017 23:23 silverstoneft02wc wrote:
Cruz is so close yet so far from understanding how to provide better health care for Americans.

[image loading]

Direct tax revenue rather then higher premiums for others?
And surely these 'others' would be paying the tax increase to provide the revenue. Thereby still paying more because sick people exist...
Or are you going to tax sick people?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 29 2017 15:05 GMT
#159287
On June 29 2017 23:23 silverstoneft02wc wrote:
Cruz is so close yet so far from understanding how to provide better health care for Americans.

[image loading]

"Your taxes will go up" vs "your family's insurance rates will skyrocket." Secondly, why do you choose to conflate the funding stream with "how to provide?" In both cases we're talking subsidies and how to pay for what's being provided.

Debate on this topic is fucked from stage 1.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10989 Posts
June 29 2017 15:06 GMT
#159288
There is also this hilarious Rand Paul interview where he accidentially argues for the biggest risk pools possible (which normally means a countrywide-pool):D
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 29 2017 15:09 GMT
#159289
On June 29 2017 23:47 LegalLord wrote:
One thing I hate is how much Trump's existence empowers the other dregs of our government, Lindsey Graham among them. Any other president and no one would ever give him the time of day - but since it's Trump, anything goes as long as it opposes Trump.

His own stupidity is empowering the swamp and RINO's. Less attention on the failure to actually unite behind a repeal; less attention for the swamp since their own failures and incompetence never gain the spotlight.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 29 2017 15:13 GMT
#159290
If I was forced to pick Republicans to remain in office, Lindsey Graham is one of them. He isn’t great, but he isn’t one of these hyper conservative clowns that doesn’t understand how compromise works.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 29 2017 15:13 GMT
#159291
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1970 Posts
June 29 2017 15:20 GMT
#159292
It was so silent around him the last days. Thank jebus he is back All the entertainment.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 29 2017 15:21 GMT
#159293
On June 30 2017 00:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/880424236451549185


Wonder how countries like Saudi Arabia got a clue that they can play Trump's psychology like a fiddle.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
June 29 2017 15:33 GMT
#159294
Part of the reason the GOP is so hellbent on pushing the bill through as fast as possible is actually that lobbying groups are really against it. AARP, AMA, insurance companies, I don't think any lobbying groups benefit.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
June 29 2017 15:37 GMT
#159295
On June 30 2017 00:06 Velr wrote:
There is also this hilarious Rand Paul interview where he accidentially argues for the biggest risk pools possible (which normally means a countrywide-pool):D




Thats always the funniest part of the risk pool conversation.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 29 2017 15:37 GMT
#159296
On June 30 2017 00:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 00:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/880424236451549185


Wonder how countries like Saudi Arabia got a clue that they can play Trump's psychology like a fiddle.

See the current situation with Qatar for your answer. They know that Trump won’t do anything, so why not slap around the country that they have the most beef with and see what happens(Qatar is now becoming good buddies with turkey and Iran)
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 29 2017 15:38 GMT
#159297
I wonder what's going on with our bases and current military there. Has there been any updates on that?
Life?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 29 2017 15:44 GMT
#159298
On June 30 2017 00:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I wonder what's going on with our bases and current military there. Has there been any updates on that?

The updates are that there are no updates or changes. They are trying to “resolve the issue”. The demands of Saudis are pretty silly and ask Qatar to shut down is news network. Whatever is happening, it isn’t being covered in much detail.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 29 2017 15:59 GMT
#159299
On June 29 2017 23:23 silverstoneft02wc wrote:
Cruz is so close yet so far from understanding how to provide better health care for Americans.

[image loading]

It's only a matter of time before the GOP understands the full implications of its admission that the country must provide health care to everyone with preexisting conditions.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
June 29 2017 16:08 GMT
#159300
Meanwhile Fox News is attacking the Democrats for alarmist rhetoric, insisting that there is no evidence that people die from lack of healthcare. They made the excellent counterpoint that nobody has ever died from lack of healthcare who wouldn't have died anyway eventually. I'm convinced.
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