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On June 29 2017 10:47 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2017 08:34 Nebuchad wrote:On June 29 2017 02:42 Danglars wrote:On June 29 2017 02:13 Falling wrote:Your above example doesn't make sense because Germaness and nuclear energy have nothing to do with each other. But intersectionality connects oppression of ethnicity to all other forms of identity oppression. Therefore, under this mindset, ones ethnicity (which has historically experienced racism) has everything to do with the march. "Yesterday during the rally we saw three individuals carrying Israeli flags super imposed on rainbow flags. Some folks say they are Jewish Pride flags. But as a Collective we are very much pro-Palestine, and when we see these flags we know a lot of folks who are under attack by Israel see the visuals of the flag as a threat, so we don't want anything in the [Dyke March] space that can inadvertently or advertently express Zionism," she said. "So we asked the folks to please leave. We told them people in the space were feeling threatened "Yesterday, June 24, Chicago Dyke March was held in the La Villita neighborhood to express support for undocumented, refugee, and immigrant communities under threat of deportation. Sadly, our celebration of dyke, queer, and trans solidarity was partially overshadowed by our decision to ask three individuals carrying Israeli flags superimposed on rainbow flags to leave the rally. This decision was made after they repeatedly expressed support for Zionism during conversations with Chicago Dyke March Collective members. We have since learned that at least one of these individuals is a regional director for A Wider Bridge, an organization with connections to the Israeli state and right-wing pro-Israel interest groups. A Wider Bridge has been protested for provocative actions at other LGBTQ events and has been condemned by numerous organizations (tarabnyc.org/cancelpinkwashing/&; for using Israel's supposed "LGBTQ tolerance" to pinkwash the violent occupation of Palestine.
"The Chicago Dyke March Collective is explicitly not anti-Semitic, we are anti-Zionist. The Chicago Dyke March Collective supports the liberation of Palestine and all oppressed people everywhere.
"From Palestine to Mexico, border walls have got to go!!
"[Edited to add: We want to make clear that anti-Zionist Jewish volunteers and supporters are welcome at Dyke March and were involved in conversations with the individuals who were asked to leave. We are planning to make a longer statement in the future.]" From Chicagoist. Kind of sounds like it was about the flags... and they only after found out that the people were a part of an organization that they disagreed with. we don't want anything in the [Dyke March] space that can inadvertently or advertently express Zionism This is kind of my point. It shouldn't matter if some pro-Palestinian demonstrators in a LGBT march take a flag with a normal symbol of Jewish identity to be an inadvertent Zionist message; it isn't the case and the solution should be patient education, not cowardice. I think more liberality would go a long way here. Not sure why we keep ignoring that there were jews among the people who asked them to leave in the first place. One of them is on a rampage on twitter attacking everyone who thinks that was antisemitic for the last two days. I might be wrong cause you know, I was not there and I have no connexion to the issue, but I'm going to take the word of the jews that asked them to leave that they were spreading a zionist message over the vague notions put forward by Nyxisto and Falling that there is a lot of antisemitism out there and snowflakes can't handle nuance. I certainly understand why that won't be your approach of course. My vague notions? I put a series out a series of quotes from people that were there from both sides. I guess we each have our own set of Jews saying different things, in a sense. But if you'll notice one of the quotes I used to demonstrate that it was the flag that was triggering people was one Kaufman, who is herself an American-Jew, and it would seem she is very anti-Zionist. edit Also, I have yet to make the case that it motivated by anti-semitism. My argument is that they are being inconsistent. Their motivations, I don't know as of now.
Yep yours was snowflakes can't handle nuance, I think I've mentioned that.
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But you've managed to take the nuance out of it in order to be flippant, which is a little irritating.
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On June 29 2017 17:49 Falling wrote:
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I guess...
But you've managed to take the nuance out of it in order to be flippant, which is a little irritating.
Look the situation isn't as difficult as you make it out to be. There are two conflicting stories. Both can be argued to make sense in the real world. I certainly think mine is more likely based on what I've read and what I know, and I don't doubt you think the same about yours.
Caleb Wagner's twitter feed (@wagasuarusRex) is hilarious when talking about the nuance of different sides, would highly recommend. Wouldn't want to miss stuff like, the organizers are in the wrong because "How is asking a Jew what she thinks of Israel any less bigoted than asking a Muslim "what you think of Al Qaeda"?"
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We live in the darkest timeline. I can't decide if I'm better off not knowing why.
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Wonder if Washington Post is sitting on the something or this is the man child venting about he being discovered to have photoshopped himself on to a Time cover.
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On June 29 2017 22:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Wonder if Washington Post is sitting on the something or this is the man child venting about he being discovered to have photoshopped himself on to a Time cover.
He says it himself no?
Morning Joe (which he likely does watch) said something bad about him. And he cant accept that.
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Poor Mika. What did she do to earn 2 nicknames and a public facelift shaming. From the leader of the United States?
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I doubt a simple money bribe is going to bring them over to vote for it. I call BS on that one.
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I wonder if Melania is going to do anything about online bullying. Because those comments definitely look like online bullying to me.
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On June 29 2017 23:01 Gorsameth wrote:I doubt a simple money bribe is going to bring them over to vote for it. I call BS on that one.
Ya the moderates are scared of that 22 million number and the fact that the cost of care for older Americans will balloon up. Those arent things that can be solved by "bribing" them with money to fight drug addiction.
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On June 29 2017 23:01 Gorsameth wrote:I doubt a simple money bribe is going to bring them over to vote for it. I call BS on that one.
I mean, isn't that was lobbying basically is?
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A lot of the reporters are talking about how they have no idea how to cover tweets like that. They are so out of the norm for a president.
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They're dumb if they accept the bribe. The issue isn't even 22 million getting kicked off, the problem is that their rural constituents basically get their whole communities destroyed overnight. They can maybe survive without health insurance (though most people are still probably going die) but they can't survive without the jobs, pediatric and elderly services Medicaid provides.
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The lawyer privately advising Donald Trump on the investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election is head of a law firm that was involved in the sale of a prestigious piece of New York real estate to Jared Kushner, the US president’s son-in-law, in a deal that could fall under the spotlight of the same inquiry.
Marc Kasowitz, a member of the New York bar who has represented Trump in his business dealings for 15 years, was brought on board by the president last month to provide personal legal advice relating to the Russian inquiry now being conducted by special counsel Robert Mueller. The appointment has placed Kasowitz at the center of the legal maelstrom over the investigation into potential collusion between Russia and elements of Trump’s presidential campaign.
An investigation by the Guardian has found that Kasowitz’s law firm, Kasowitz Benson Torres, legally represented the owners of the former New York Times building in Times Square, Manhattan, in a 2015 deal in which part of the property was sold to Kushner for $296m.
The Washington Post has reported that a subsequent loan of $285m from Deutsche Bank to Kushner Companies, relating to the purchase of the building, could fall under the remit of the Mueller investigation given Deutsche Bank’s scandal-riven reputation. The involvement of Kasowitz’s firm as a key legal player in the initial sale adds a further possible twist as the special counsel’s inquiry gathers momentum.
Questions have already been raised about possible conflicts of interest between the lawyer’s role as Trump’s private attorney in the Russian inquiry and his work for various other clients, among them Russia’s largest bank OJSC Sberbank, which he represents in a corporate dispute lodged in US federal court. The Guardian asked Kasowitz, via his spokesman, to respond to the potential conflict of interest relating to his firm’s role as attorney on the sale of the Times Square building to Kushner but he did not respond.
Trump’s connections with Kasowitz’s law firm go much further than just his personal attorney, raising other potential conflict of interest issues. Another of its partners, David Friedman, was appointed by the president as ambassador to Israel; its senior counsel Joe Lieberman was considered by Trump as replacement director of the FBI after the president fired James Comey, but pulled out of the running citing potential conflicts of interest with Kasowitz as the president’s private legal counsel; and yet another partner Edward McNally is reportedly in the running to replace Preet Bharara, US attorney for the southern district of New York, following a similar Trump sacking.
ProPublica has alleged that Kasowitz himself bragged to friends that he played a role in having Bharara fired, by telling Trump: “This guy is going to get you.” One of the major investigations conducted by the southern district of New York under Bharara was allegedly to look into Deutsche Bank’s involvement in alleged Russian money-laundering.
The Guardian invited Kasowitz to confirm or deny the ProPublica account, but he did not respond.
The old New York Times building is a neo-gothic styled building fronting Times Square, which had been a home to printing presses since the first year of Woodrow Wilson’s presidency. Located at 229 West 43rd St in Manhattan, the building was declared a New York City designated landmark in 2000.
At the time of the sale to Kushner, the building was owned by Lev Leviev, an Israeli citizen born in the former Soviet Union in what is now Uzbekistan. His company, Africa Israel Investments, bought the Times Square property in 2007 for $525m.
State records show that Africa Israel’s Delaware LLCs, including its subsidiary that bought the former New York Times building, are registered at 40 Wall Street, Trump’s property over the road from the New York Stock Exchange. The office block has ‘The Trump Building’ emblazoned over its entrance in gold capital letters, and was also the home of the now defunct Trump University.
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On June 29 2017 23:03 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2017 23:01 Gorsameth wrote:I doubt a simple money bribe is going to bring them over to vote for it. I call BS on that one. I mean, isn't that was lobbying basically is?
Governors of both parties are pushing against that bill. Lobbying might work for some things, but not cutting the funding most of the hospitals in rural America. The conservative plan to cut Medicaid is a radioactive political pipe dream.
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On June 29 2017 23:03 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2017 23:01 Gorsameth wrote:I doubt a simple money bribe is going to bring them over to vote for it. I call BS on that one. I mean, isn't that was lobbying basically is?
lobbying bribes work for less obvious things like industrial regulations, things where the voters don't directly notice it. I don't see it working when your directly destroying peoples healthcare.
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Wonder what is stopping states like California, and Vermont that wanted Single Pay Healthcare by simply teaming up and sharing financial resources to cover their residents together. That would certainly entice other States to join in like Washington, Oregon, Montana and Colorado and so.
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On June 29 2017 23:04 silverstoneft02wc wrote:
They're dumb if they accept the bribe. The issue isn't even 22 million getting kicked off, the problem is that their rural constituents basically get their whole communities destroyed overnight. They can maybe survive without health insurance (though most people are still probably going die) but they can't survive without the jobs, pediatric and elderly services Medicaid provides.
The cuts would basically gut the elder care industry and leave all the burden on the states/families.
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On June 29 2017 23:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Wonder what is stopping states like California, and Vermont that wanted Single Pay Healthcare by simply teaming up and sharing financial resources to cover their residents together. That would certainly entice other States to join in like Washington, Oregon, Montana and Colorado and so. https://twitter.com/RoseAnnDeMoro/status/880165375928803328
In the case of California, it's wildly dysfunctional legislature. They were often cited as one of the most dysfunctional state governments in the country.
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